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Settra turning up as Stormcast in a new Black Library novel

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I think the "rage" is, in many cases, more the disappointment that comes with further evidence that the Tomb Kings are probably not coming back. Maybe having Settra as a Stormcast - the poster boys of the game that removed their faction - felt like a little bit of salt in the wound.

Personally, I had to remove myself from the Tomb Kings Facebook group, as seeing TK armies immediately made me less motivated with whatever I was working on at that time.

I am kinda doing BCR as a distraction, as trying to second-guess if/when the TK squatting was going to arrive was ruining the AoS experience for me. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't on autopilot though.

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20 hours ago, xking said:

Yes, they are called Deathrattle.  The new skeleton army.  

There's nothing stopping GW from bringing out a second skeleton army like they did with orruks and duardin, if they did bring TK back as they were they could always go more the mummy and constructs route instead of skeletons. The Katophrane of Shadespire are a likely candidate for a TKesk faction anyways going by the tiny snippets of lore we've been drip fed so far if they want to do that and skeletons would definitely have a place there I think.

As for Settra coming back as a stormcast, to me it opens up some interesting story potential for seeing what happens when a stormcast breaks. I don't think stormcast are necessarily given a choice as to whether they want to be made into one or not so if he got his memories back somehow (like say an encounter with Nagash unlocks them) I imagine he would be pretty pissed because of the whole "I do not serve" thing but also powerless to really defy Sigmar.

 

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4 hours ago, madmac said:

On that note, having actually finished Hamilcar, it is quite strongly suggested that the primary villain of the novel is actually

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Ikit Claw.

 

How does that work? Reincarnation? or just old him?
 

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I'm actually disappointed he didn't become a member of The Council of Thirteen .

 

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1 hour ago, Dirtnaps said:

There's nothing stopping GW from bringing out a second skeleton army like they did with orruks and duardin, if they did bring TK back as they were they could always go more the mummy and constructs route instead of skeletons. The Katophrane of Shadespire are a likely candidate for a TKesk faction anyways going by the tiny snippets of lore we've been drip fed so far if they want to do that and skeletons would definitely have a place there I think.

As for Settra coming back as a stormcast, to me it opens up some interesting story potential for seeing what happens when a stormcast breaks. I don't think stormcast are necessarily given a choice as to whether they want to be made into one or not so if he got his memories back somehow (like say an encounter with Nagash unlocks them) I imagine he would be pretty pissed because of the whole "I do not serve" thing but also powerless to really defy Sigmar.

 

They could, but I doubt they will.

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10 hours ago, Jator said:

How does that work? Reincarnation? or just old him?
 

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I'm actually disappointed he didn't become a member of The Council of Thirteen .

 

The main villain of the book is a ancient possibly undead Skaven called Ikrit. (A name he states is not his true one as he has forgotten it, and he has gone by many titles and names, Ikrit just being the shortest one he remembers) He is a Skaven Pariah, who has long left actual Skaven society, presumably because he stole secrets from the Horned Rat. 

Ikrit is stated to be hated by almost all of the gods, because he tends to be able to get into their most guarded places and steal their stuff. His plot in the book is the kidnapping of Hamilcar, namely because he believes if you know how to do it then anything can be replicated and he intends to find out how to create Stormcasts from him. After a seemingly failed experiment that leads to Hamilcar's escape, but his soul being horribly damaged. He is made a Knight - Questor and given the task by Sigmar of capturing Ikrit. Both to get his secrets and to perhaps restore Hamilcar.

 

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The book ends with Hamilcar and Ikrit both beaten and exhausted lying next to each other from their fight. Ikrit having tried to reclaim Hamilcar's Lantern as he believed it to be the final step he needed in completing his work and taking his first step on the domain of the gods. However before Hamilcar can have his allies help him bring Ikrit back to Azyr, Ikrit is killed by a Giant Eagle sorta ally Hamilcar had made. 

Hamilcar was distraught over this because with Ikrit's death there will be no way to take back what he stole from him. However shortly after Ikrit's body and gear break apart into green lightning and are whisked away. Exactly like a Stormcast, causing Hamilcar to realize that Ikrit succeeded in turning himself into one. And by extension that he can still capture him. Ending with Hamilcar and his allies chasing after the lightning realizing that it should be going to his lair in the All Points. 

 

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On 2/23/2019 at 4:41 PM, xking said:

Yes, they are called Deathrattle.  The new skeleton army.  

Deathrattle is not a real army. Just a subset of the Legions of Nagash. 

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currently as it stands there's no chance of bringing TK's or Brets back.

There's been enough hints dropped in Flesh Eater Courts that this is what's become of our fair Brettoni, even to the point where their endless spells have got Bretonnian shields amongst them :(

As for our lovely dry undead, the men at the mothership have decreed that being an all skeleton army apart from the constructs, there's enough skeletons as it its.

Like everyone, I still want them back.

I'm not a fan of renaissance german humans with big trousers and feathers, and I think more than ever there's a place in AoS for an undead army that isn't glowing nagash green. - especially given the way Settra made it through the end times.

KEEP UP THE GOOD FIGHT LADS - and carry on :)

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3 hours ago, Envyus said:

Deathrattle is not a real army. Just a subset of the Legions of Nagash. 

You could have said the same about nighthaunt  a year ago.

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5 hours ago, Envyus said:

The main villain of the book is a ancient possibly undead Skaven called Ikrit. (A name he states is not his true one as he has forgotten it, and he has gone by many titles and names, Ikrit just being the shortest one he remembers) He is a Skaven Pariah, who has long left actual Skaven society, presumably because he stole secrets from the Horned Rat. 

Ikrit is stated to be hated by almost all of the gods, because he tends to be able to get into their most guarded places and steal their stuff.

 

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The book ends with Hamilcar and Ikrit both beaten and exhausted lying next to each other from their fight. Ikrit having tried to reclaim Hamilcar's Lantern as he believed it to be the final step he needed in completing his work and taking his first step on the domain of the gods. However before Hamilcar can have his allies help him bring Ikrit back to Azyr, Ikrit is killed by a Giant Eagle sorta ally Hamilcar had made. 
 

 


  This...sounds actually cool and I think it fits Ikit Claw character. Thanks for the info, I wasn't planning on getting the novel, but I am now.

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Honestly if that truly is Settra that's the best way to bring him back. From what I have read of Nagash in AoS he has full control over the undead, and to assume that Settra would just magically show up as a tomb king feels lacking. I hope not too many people are upset if it is him, but you can get people frothing at the mouth with the mere mention of stormcast. 

As for another hilarious stormcast legend taking Vlad Von Carstein would be funny. Give him some silly azyrification of it too. Vladius Carstornian. 

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3 hours ago, Mikester1487 said:

Honestly if that truly is Settra that's the best way to bring him back. From what I have read of Nagash in AoS he has full control over the undead, and to assume that Settra would just magically show up as a tomb king feels lacking. I hope not too many people are upset if it is him, but you can get people frothing at the mouth with the mere mention of stormcast. 

As for another hilarious stormcast legend taking Vlad Von Carstein would be funny. Give him some silly azyrification of it too. Vladius Carstornian. 

This fills me with happiness and rage. I'm a bit of a Vlad fanboy from the days of 7th and 8th edition WFB so i would like to see Vlad return as Vlad. But on the other hand given how Vlad and Karl where working together in the end times it wouldn't surprise me to see him come back as a stormcast.  Sigmar probably retained at least some of Karl's memories from when he possessed him so it would make sense for him to pick out the souls of a bunch of badasses who fought beside him in the world that was and make the celestants or some other overblown stormcast title. Makes more sense for Vlad to be reforged than Settra anyways.

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Now I want to build some Egyptian Stormcasts...
I think it's a cool nod.

Plus, it makes sense...
They come back to live and wear lots of gold with blue. 100% the same. 😉

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Settra coming back as a Stormcast is a little disappointing to me. Not because it's disrespectful or anything like that, but because it seemed like his story arc had completed in the End Times. He was the immovable wall to Nagash's unstoppable force, and in the end the unstoppable force won.

With that said, he could be an interesting character for exploring what it means to be a Stormcast with regards to obedience to Sigmar. Perhaps he doesn't worship Sigmar, nor even "bends the knee", he might just see Sigmar as an equal and himself as an ally to the God. After all, in life he thought he was a God iirc.

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28 minutes ago, DarkWingDuck said:

Settra coming back as a Stormcast is a little disappointing to me. Not because it's disrespectful or anything like that, but because it seemed like his story arc had completed in the End Times. He was the immovable wall to Nagash's unstoppable force, and in the end the unstoppable force won.

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The first End Times book literally ended in a plot hanger about Settra that was never resolved or even talked about in the remaining four volumes, and only got sort of tied up in the last Black Library tie-in novel. 🤷‍♂️

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1 hour ago, DarkWingDuck said:

Settra coming back as a Stormcast is a little disappointing to me. Not because it's disrespectful or anything like that, but because it seemed like his story arc had completed in the End Times. He was the immovable wall to Nagash's unstoppable force, and in the end the unstoppable force won.

With that said, he could be an interesting character for exploring what it means to be a Stormcast with regards to obedience to Sigmar. Perhaps he doesn't worship Sigmar, nor even "bends the knee", he might just see Sigmar as an equal and himself as an ally to the God. After all, in life he thought he was a God iirc.

Settra served the Nehekharan gods(He  refused to serve Nagash).  If he is a Stormcast, He gets to fight against Nagash again and is actually divine, instead of just thinking he is. 

Also according to David Guymer, almost all of the responses he has gotten seem to be,  people are excited and want to see more.

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I'm extraordinarily excited about this.

I mean, the first and last and forever emperor of a legendary empire from the World-That-Was becomes a general of Azyrite barbarian may be quite disappointing, but it is also hilarious to see the Emperor still fighting against the pitiful mad necromancer who is unworthy of the godhood after aeons. The reintroduction of Settra certainly has potential so long as more stories are built around him. With marching towards Glynmforge which was the main battlefield of Soul War, I do believe there will be more stories about Settrus. And it makes more sense that Settra lost some pieces of memory through reforging than became a mindless poor servant of that old stupid dude. I am now looking forward to the scenery when the Settrus faces Nagash and Nagash revealed the old memory to Settrus, offering him the chance to be freed from Sigmar and becoming one of Mortarchs. But Settrus will just think for seconds and smash his hammer or Khopesh-like blade on Nagash's awful giant skull and roar "I do not serve'.

Just like said above I don't think this is just a nod for if you have read recently released stories,  talented BL writers are constantly bringing old characters back like Gotrek, Gelt, Thyrus, Mordrek, Ikit and Thanquol in the new battletome. Gelt even got a piece of THE OLD WORLD which may grant him the ancient memory when he was GELT.

However, I don't believe GW will bring TK back or models about Settrus. BL and Citadel are pretty separated, heros like Gardus never get their own models but some none-sense Hammer of Sigmar whoever. But once they do, I will buy Settrus as long as it is not just generic sigmarine lord. 

When TK  was squatted, with their pretty new plastic models included, I already thought there is little chance for them to come back, not to mention that all undead are now ruled by a mental dissociated tyrant. Settra comes back as a special stormcast is the best way to bring the legacy of TK back I can think of.

May the dead Ptra  bless his chosen with  glorious future in the NEW WORLD.

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Hm, is this entire topic set up on the name or on the part"he has a special loathing of the undying king".

I never was a Tombking player, but I'm aktually wondering if it is just a name, and names are not unique for one person most of the time.

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3 hours ago, EMMachine said:

Hm, is this entire topic set up on the name or on the part"he has a special loathing of the undying king".

I never was a Tombking player, but I'm aktually wondering if it is just a name, and names are not unique for one person most of the time.

There are several points:

The imperishable chamber uses 'your will be done' as answer to the order, which likely refers to TK's famous 'my will be done'

The imperishable is also the title for Settra

The temperament how Hamilcar describes about him

The AOH is famous for its stormcast are reforged from ancient souls, including soul from WTW

and yeah the 'a' to 'us' of the name and special loathing thing

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20 hours ago, Whitefang said:

I'm extraordinarily excited about this.

I mean, the first and last and forever emperor of a legendary empire from the World-That-Was becomes a general of Azyrite barbarian may be quite disappointing, but it is also hilarious to see the Emperor still fighting against the pitiful mad necromancer who is unworthy of the godhood after aeons. The reintroduction of Settra certainly has potential so long as more stories are built around him. With marching towards Glynmforge which was the main battlefield of Soul War, I do believe there will be more stories about Settrus. And it makes more sense that Settra lost some pieces of memory through reforging than became a mindless poor servant of that old stupid dude. I am now looking forward to the scenery when the Settrus faces Nagash and Nagash revealed the old memory to Settrus, offering him the chance to be freed from Sigmar and becoming one of Mortarchs. But Settrus will just think for seconds and smash his hammer or Khopesh-like blade on Nagash's awful giant skull and roar "I do not serve'.

Just like said above I don't think this is just a nod for if you have read recently released stories,  talented BL writers are constantly bringing old characters back like Gotrek, Gelt, Thyrus, Mordrek, Ikit and Thanquol in the new battletome. Gelt even got a piece of THE OLD WORLD which may grant him the ancient memory when he was GELT.

However, I don't believe GW will bring TK back or models about Settrus. BL and Citadel are pretty separated, heros like Gardus never get their own models but some none-sense Hammer of Sigmar whoever. But once they do, I will buy Settrus as long as it is not just generic sigmarine lord. 

When TK  was squatted, with their pretty new plastic models included, I already thought there is little chance for them to come back, not to mention that all undead are now ruled by a mental dissociated tyrant. Settra comes back as a special stormcast is the best way to bring the legacy of TK back I can think of.

May the dead Ptra  bless his chosen with  glorious future in the NEW WORLD.

I admit that if Black Library decided to launch a book (or a series of books) about Settrus that depicts him as the reincarnation of Settra and a ultra badass stormcast who doesn't necessarily remembers his former life but still retains his old personality, that would definitely grab my attention. Settra/Settrus could give a lesson even to the Knight Excelsiors about "never making compromises".

Edit: I love Settra from Khemri in the World-that-was. He was a real badass and proud beyond measure (Nagash even called him "proudest of kings" during the End Times).
However, IF Settra is to be brought back in the Mortal Realms of AoS, then I think we need to let go of a bit of fanboyism and accept the character to become a little more malleable because otherwise there's no way he can fit in the new universe. The old Settra cannot be brought in the Death Alliance, because he hates Nagash with passion. He cannot go into the Chaos alliance because he stands against the chaos gods and knows their promises are just lies. He wouldn't fit into the Destruction alliance because Gorkamorka and Settra aren't exactly compatible. But he would fit in the Order alliance just right, if it were not for the "Settra does not serve, he rules!" part. Like I said, if we want Settra back in the game, we need him to be a little less rigid. So him being reincarnated as a Stormcast is quite a good explanation for that. If Settrus didn't remember his former life as Settra of Khemri but still retained most of his personality, it would allow the Black Library writers and readers to explore this familiar character in a new light. Which would be really interesting methinks.

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I've read the book and it comes across as forced and a little hokey. Not because I have any particular fondness for Mr. No-kneel but because it just felt clunky. 

Balthasar Gelt felt natural - the character fit and it was never too contrived that hed become one (his mask was a Mask Eternal, after all). 

If it was better written I'd have a different opinion. Perhaps if there was no 'Settrus', but it was kept as the Imperishables etc.

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4 hours ago, The World Tree said:

I've read the book and it comes across as forced and a little hokey. Not because I have any particular fondness for Mr. No-kneel but because it just felt clunky. 

Balthasar Gelt felt natural - the character fit and it was never too contrived that hed become one (his mask was a Mask Eternal, after all). 

If it was better written I'd have a different opinion. Perhaps if there was no 'Settrus', but it was kept as the Imperishables etc.

It's something for the future.

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