Darkhan Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Skryre acolytes max units 20!!??? I dont get it, rattling gun same cost but Star marked? Warpseer as well? And Deceiver. What is this!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkhan Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Tons of stuff star marked but same cost? I'm confused. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arzalyn Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Darkhan said: Tons of stuff star marked but same cost? I'm confused. The last points change were on FAQ if I remember correctly. If so, those are different from the points on the GHB19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Num Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Thanks @Skreech Verminking the link is wrong but its the same profile. Wow almost all points are down! What a theory crafting headache to come even the 10 points decrease (e.g. rat ogors) open worlds of possibilities... Back to crafting then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chumphammer Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) Points for SKA are leaked. Check out my twitter @chumphammer Edited July 3, 2020 by Chumphammer 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwendar Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 @Skreech Verminking That's... incredibly disappointing and I'm not in the least bit surprised. The minor decreases seem odd and upping Engineers by 10 makes no sense when their one and only purpose is Acolyte\Fiend buffing which has gone downhill as a strategy due to the meta. Skaven haven't been performing super well so I'm not sure how these were thrown together. Oh well.. there's a reason I said cautiously pessimistic 😉. The saddest part is that SV still aren't viable at 400 points compared to running 2x40 Monks, at least not for me. I may run them to try them out at least, we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkhan Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) Seriously did they remove the horde bonus from stormvermin?! WHAT!? Decrease acolytes max unit? ****** this. doomwheel 10p cheaper, but engineer 10p more expesinve. It evens out. No point Edited July 3, 2020 by Darkhan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skreech Verminking Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Gwendar said: Oh well.. there's a reason I said cautiously pessimistic Well If I’m not mistaken, Gw did announce in one of their articles that the faction that came before city of sigmar will get an update. so with a bit of luck we might see a few warscrolls changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skreech Verminking Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Darkhan said: Seriously did they remove the horde bonus from stormvermin?! WHAT!? Decrease acolytes max unit? ****** this I wish they’d increased the max. Unit size for clanrats to 60. But no😭 edit: and decreased points for every single battailons, especially the clawhorde for like say 60points but no! Edited July 3, 2020 by Skreech Verminking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwendar Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) @Darkhan Yeah, absolutely silly things here. 40 Stormvermin + Clawlord is still a quarter of your list yet 2x40 Monks would get the job done better most of the time and cost marginally more. As for the minor decreases... yeah, they have a habit of changing one thing but upping something that goes together with it, effectively making a non-change. I would've gone back to running Acolytes if they changed back to 25mm, but currently they seem pointless. Curious to see that WLV went down to 80; I could at least somewhat justify it now in my Thanquol setups.@Skreech Verminking are you sure about that? I haven't seen that anywhere. Only that everything CoS and onward would get their points updates later.. my guess is either 2 weeks from now or during the 6 month FAQ's which would be this winter. Or maybe I read it wrong.. cause I think Seraphon got updates too. Oh well. Edited July 3, 2020 by Gwendar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skreech Verminking Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Gwendar said: @Skreech Verminking are you sure about that? I haven't seen that anywhere. Only that everything CoS and onward would get their points updates later.. my guess is either 2 weeks from now or during the 6 month FAQ's which would be this winter. I probably misunderstood. but well at least there are some upside to those changes. for example having the max. Size for acolytes go down to 20, kinda make them better, since they are a but more mobile then before. And at 200points Acolytes especially in units of 20 seem to have become a steal. Especially when you combine them with a huge amount of protective clanrats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drcrabs Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Despite not getting the decrease in points in stormvermin that many were hoping for and the odd slight increase to the engineer we still got some point decreases in a lot of units that have been put into a lot of lists around here lately. Thanquol, Doomwheels, Acolytes and Hell Pit Abominations went down in prices and nothing of serious note was increased to negatively affect our lists (other then the engineer). These might be a enough savings to gain something else we might need in terms of units, unit size upgrades or even a starting command point. I'm a bit excited honestly and I can't wait to play this game again since I've been quarantined for quite some time now. I really want to try out some of the ideas that have been floating around here with a unit of 40 monks going underground with a warpgrinder and then have a warpgnaw verminlord pop up at one gnawhole with 20 clan rats while two hell pit abominations, Thanquol and a horde of clan rats screaming at our enemies! Our enemies will panic at the sight of being surrounded by the might of the skaven! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) WLV went down to 80 pts I see We’re ok. Nice to have the changes, I’m happy Acolytes dropped as I’m finishing 130. Jezzails didn’t change, most of our anchor units are about the same, and taking all three of our Spells is only 160 total. Edited July 4, 2020 by Coyote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterJoshua Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Interesting that Storm Vermin are now our cheapest Battleline option :) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skreech Verminking Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 49 minutes ago, MisterJoshua said: Interesting that Storm Vermin are now our cheapest Battleline option Which makes them kinda interesting. although at 20 points more you get a unit that will stay alive much longer. and damage output is very similar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwendar Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) What's this? A full batrep after nearly 5 months? Yeah.. I missed doing them. I didn't plan to do any during this TTS tournament but figured I would for this 2nd game vs "that" Seraphon list (12 Salamanders). I'll say that I definitely like this list, although with Ghyrstrike (confirmed?) gone then the Warpgnaw no longer has a place in my point of view. He's incredibly glass cannon already and losing the 2's\2's will hurt too much. Once the tournament is over I think I'll start theory-crafting some new stuff, maybe even with Stormvermin. For those curious, 1st game was vs a StD list with Archaon. I royally flubbed it and it was over fairly quick. I went against my better judgement and tried to focus Archaon down to no avail, who then deleted Jezzails (who I had just close enough behind the Clanrats), Monks, Warpgnaw, etc since he can pile in multiple times. Dude was cool and a tournament Skaven player so we talked about a lot for about 30 minutes afterwards.. got a lot of useful insight from him 😉 Don't know who my 3rd game will be against until later tonight, but it looks like it may be between Lumineth, DoT, more Seraphon, CoS or KO on Battle for the Pass. I'll try to get another report up for the final game. Edited July 4, 2020 by Gwendar 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwendar Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 (edited) Alright, here's a few lists with the new GHB changes in mind (and no, Warscroll Builder isn't updated; I manually changed the points) so thoughts are always welcome and wanted. I really considered 6-8 Rat Ogres with a MM\Packmaster.. but I still think they're too expensive for what they do. If they went down to 70-80 I would definitely consider them a lot more, but right now 40 Monks are just better and cheaper. With the Warpgrinder Monks list doing reasonably well, I feel like branching out a bit more so these are mostly very mixed lists. I've largely come to terms with Jezzails being taken in 6's for the sole purpose of 5-wound support hero sniping; 9 won't be enough to take out Kroak\Teclis\etc anyway and I would always need another unit of something to finish the job. That said, I think there's something in running 12 now... but I know I won't get the bits together again to make 3 more since the first 9 were a pain in the ass to begin with 😅 Anyway:Warbginer+SV+Monks+Jezzails Spoiler Allegiance: SkaventideLeadersVerminlord Warbringer (280)- General- Command Trait: Brutal Fury- Artefact: Things-BaneVerminlord Warpseer (320)Clawlord (100)- Mighty Warlord Command Trait: Verminous ValourBattleline20 x Clanrats (120)- Rusty Blade20 x Clanrats (120)- Rusty Blade40 x Stormvermin (400)- Halberd & ShieldUnits40 x Plague Monks (280)- Woe-staveArtilleryWarplock Jezzails (280)Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs Bell of Doom (40)Extra Command Point (50)Total: 1990 / 2000Extra Command Points: 1Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 161 Thanquol+Acolytes+SV+Jezzails Spoiler Allegiance: SkaventideLeadersWarlock Bombardier (120)- General- Command Trait: Deranged Inventor- Artefact: Vigordust Injector- Lore of Warpvolt Galvanism: More-more-more Warp Power!Thanquol on Boneripper (390)- 4 Warpfire ProjectorsClawlord (100)- Mighty Warlord Command Trait: Verminous ValourBattleline40 x Clanrats (200)- Rusty Blade20 x Clanrats (120)- Rusty Blade40 x Stormvermin (400)- Halberd & ShieldUnits20 x Skryre Acolytes (200)ArtilleryWarplock Jezzails (420)Endless Spells / Terrain / CPsBell of Doom (40)Total: 1990 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 161 Thanquol+Fiends\Warpgrinder+Jezzails Spoiler Allegiance: SkaventideLeadersWarlock Bombardier (120)- General- Command Trait: Deranged Inventor- Artefact: Vigordust Injector- Lore of Warpvolt Galvanism: More-more-more Warp Power!Warlock Bombardier (120)- Lore of Warpvolt Galvanism: More-more-more Warp Power!Thanquol on Boneripper (390)- 4 Warpfire Projectors- Lore of Ruin: SkitterleapBattleline40 x Clanrats (200)- Rusty Blade20 x Clanrats (120)- Rusty Blade20 x Clanrats (120)- Rusty BladeUnits6 x Stormfiends (520)- 2x Windlaunchers- 2x Ratling Cannons- 2x Shock Gauntlets1 x Warp-Grinder (80)ArtilleryWarplock Jezzails (280)Endless Spells / Terrain / CPsBell of Doom (40)Total: 1990 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 154 Warpgrinder Monks+Warbringer+Jezzails Spoiler Allegiance: SkaventideLeadersVerminlord Warbringer (280)- General- Command Trait: Brutal Fury- Artefact: Things-BaneWarlock Engineer (110)- Lore of Warpvolt Galvanism: Warp Lightning ShieldBattleline40 x Clanrats (200)- Rusty Blade20 x Clanrats (120)- Rusty Blade20 x Clanrats (120)- Rusty BladeUnits40 x Plague Monks (280)- Woe-stave40 x Plague Monks (280)- Woe-stave1 x Warp-Grinder (80)1 x Warp-Grinder (80)ArtilleryWarplock Jezzails (280)Endless Spells / Terrain / CPsChronomantic Cogs (80)Bell of Doom (40)Extra Command Point (50)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 1Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 195 Warpgrinder Fiends+Monks+Jezzails Spoiler Allegiance: SkaventideLeadersWarlock Bombardier (120)- General- Command Trait: Deranged Inventor- Artefact: Vigordust Injector- Lore of Warpvolt Galvanism: More-more-more Warp Power!Warlock Bombardier (120)- Lore of Warpvolt Galvanism: More-more-more Warp Power!Battleline20 x Clanrats (120)- Rusty Blade20 x Clanrats (120)- Rusty Blade20 x Clanrats (120)- Rusty BladeUnits6 x Stormfiends (520)- 2x Windlaunchers- 2x Ratling Cannons- 2x Shock Gauntlets40 x Plague Monks (280)- Woe-stave1 x Warp-Grinder (80)1 x Warp-Grinder (80)1 x Warp-Grinder (80)ArtilleryWarplock Jezzails (280)Endless Spells / Terrain / CPsChronomantic Cogs (80)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 167 So.. that last one is an alternate take on my current and something I doubt I would ever take to a major tournament. The 12" range on the Ratling Cannons means unless I go 2nd and get a double turn they would likely be dead against anyone smart enough to screen them off from shooting anything worthwhile. The 2nd to last above it is a more practical re-work of my current, swapping the Warpgnaw, Bombardier and 3 Jezzails out for a Warbringer, Extra CP, 20 Clanrats and Engineer. Nearly 200 wounds and access to DDF while the Warbringer can be about as killy as the Warpgnaw with Ghyrstrike. We'll see what the realm artifacts look like when the GHB releases, but without Ghyrstrike I don't see him being ran anymore as he would only average about 10 damage with Malevolent + RR1's to hit with a CP. I think the strongest choice here in terms of well-roundedness is the 2nd with Thanquol + SV + Acolytes, but I do really enjoy the idea of the 1st if all goes according to plan. It would do well against CC fast armies that want to charge me T1 and get a double turn; double DF Stormvermin is a big deterrent on top of DF Monks. I enjoy my Warpgrinder list, so I may continue running it using the updated 2nd to last list. Edited July 5, 2020 by Gwendar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmicsheep Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 I have to admit... i am really happy about the pts reductions for clan moulder. I normally include Thanquol, a hell pit and 2 units of rat ogres. My 2k lists now have an extra 80 or 90 pts to play with And i can start playing stormvermin in my mixed lists.... better get on eBay quick 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skreech Verminking Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 (edited) So Stormvermins have gotten 50points chepaer. maybe it’s time to take 80Stormvermins and 40clanrats to the battle field, instead of the other way around edit: well time to hit the painting table. Edited July 5, 2020 by Skreech Verminking 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 400 for 40, still a large investment- easier for me to accept 1200pts for 120 in my mind - lol 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skreech Verminking Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 (edited) Let’s see here: Heroes:600p 1Verminlord Warbringer:280p (general Brutal Fury, artefact: Rune blade or Things bane) 1Verminlord Warpseer:320p battleline:1000p 40Stormvermins:400p 40Stormvermins:400p 40Clanrats:200p others:200p 20Gutter Runners:200p Spells:150p Spell Portal:70p warplightning Vortex:80p cp:50points total:2000points Edit: I’m not sure How well it would work but it’s worth a try Edited July 5, 2020 by Skreech Verminking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 Assuming the Spell Portal points didn’t change. Why no Soulscream Bridge (again, assuming points stay the same)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkhan Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 Tbh, I don't see the reason why everyone is taking stormvermin now in their list. Sure they got cheaper. But 400 points is a lot for a "chaf" unit. And imo, you want that clawlord. So 500p. Sure, ill test it myself. But I really don't see this being a big WOW. Monks still a lot cheaper. I'm just salty that they did not go down to 350p😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bRock_320 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 I'm happy to see stormvermin get a drop, I was hoping for something like 90/360 because they loose a lot of combat punch when they hit half strength but they are still a solid battleline choice and doubly so when if you get death frenzy off on them (because they die fast! ) I can see myself taking a unit of 40 with 2 units of clanrats much more often now. Would it be worth trying 30 now that there is no horde discount? With the way their hit/wound bonuses work I still think probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fainted Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 (edited) Hey there I'm just getting into AoS and wanting to make a fun but still competitive army. I've been looking around a bit, and would love to hear what you think of list below! I'm adding 2x engineers for consistency getting MMMWP off and for some assurance since they seem quite squishy. I'm thinking the Greyseer and clanrats could make an effective screen of clanrats that dont run away, while the Jezzails and Stormfiends can deal damage from behind. What do you think? LEADERS Warlock Engineer (110) - Artefact : Vigordust Injector - Lore of Warpvolt Galvanism : More-more-more Warp Power! Warlock Engineer (110) - Lore of Warpvolt Galvanism : More-more-more Warp Power! Grey Seer on Screaming Bell (240) - General - Verminous Valour - Lore of Ruin : Skitterleap UNITS 40 x Clanrats (200) - Rusty Spear 40 x Clanrats (200) - Rusty Spear 40 x Clanrats (200) 6" 6+ 1 4 - Rusty Spear 6 x Stormfiends (520) 6" 4+ 6 6 - 2 x Windlaunchers - 2 x Ratling Cannons - 2 x Shock Gauntlets ARTILLERY Warplock Jezzails (140) Warplock Jezzails (140) Warplock Jezzails (140) 2000 points total Edited July 5, 2020 by Fainted 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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