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Warcry is Killteam/Mordheim... ?

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5 minutes ago, Mogwai Man said:

Warcry is the AoS version of Necromunda and I don't think it will ever incorporate non-chaos warbands.

I disagree. If it's like Necromunda they can keep expanding the world and easily add in say, Sigmar's Holy Orders of Knights and Priests on crusade/jihads...or bands of gobbos or orruks bent on destruction of the allpoints etc. 

I would expect them to be unique though and not part of existing factions 

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9 minutes ago, Mogwai Man said:

Warcry is the AoS version of Necromunda and I don't think it will ever incorporate non-chaos warbands.

Hm, the rule addon for "Path to Glory" was at first Chaos only (in december 2015) and later expanded with other factions.

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6 minutes ago, EMMachine said:

Hm, the rule addon for "Path to Glory" was at first Chaos only (in december 2015) and later expanded with other factions.

The setting for path to glory allows for that kind of narrative. Warcry is set in the realm of chaos and I think GW wants this games narrative to stay that way.

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It's not Realm of Chaos - it's Allpoints, separate dimension ruled by Archaon. It's closer to  wfb Chaos Wastes. And don't forget  two things : those warbands are not yet in the Varanspire, they're still in the Mortal Realms and GW already said that it's not "AoS Necromunda".

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1 minute ago, michu said:

It's not Realm of Chaos - it's Allpoints, separate dimension ruled by Archaon. It's closer to  wfb Chaos Wastes. And don't forget  two things : those warbands are not yet in the Varanspire, they're still in the Mortal Realms and GW already said that it's not "AoS Necromunda".

That still gives the game a chaos setting. That location is firmly under chaos' control and it is like Necromunda. It's going to have it's own unique rules but it's format is similar. This is just what I'm speculating though.

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Personally, even though I'm not really a chaos player, I hope they don't branch out from chaos too quickly. There is a huge amount of potential variety within the idea of Chaos that hasnt really been explored in miniature form yet. How about exploring some of the minor Skaven clans or doing a Slaangor warband, or chaotic Aelves or a tribe of Slaanesh barbarians armed with stilettos and rapiers who believe the best way to endugle in excess is to extend a fight as long as possible. 

Assuming the furies are NPC type models they could expand that range with larger creatures like a bullgor,  or a Skaven assassin that the players have to deal with, or a new type of deamon that we haven't seen yet. 

The possibilities are truly exciting.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Carnelian said:

I disagree. If it's like Necromunda they can keep expanding the world and easily add in say, Sigmar's Holy Orders of Knights and Priests on crusade/jihads...or bands of gobbos or orruks bent on destruction of the allpoints etc. 

I would expect them to be unique though and not part of existing factions 

There's certainly room for something like this, though I would hope they exercise the same restraint in introducing these things as Necromunda. Like, I get how people want to use their freeguild or stormcast but I'd really rather GW didn't lob in other factions as-is from AoS just because. For Necromunda, they probably could have 'justified' having, say, tau operatives or a awakening necrons. Instead they've been fairly restrained: the odd beastman or squat bounty hunter and thematically appropriate shanghaied chaos cult or low-level genestealer cult. Most of the effort has gone into the main gangs and, in the near future, the guilds and outlanders such as scavvies and ash waste nomads, none of whom have a simple connection to a broader 40k faction.

Or, to a lesser extent, Mordheim. It was never 'here's the rules, just use the faction', it was specific and tailored to the setting. Not just dwarves but specifically dwarf treasure hunters (heavy on the crossbows and rangers, a mix of mercenaries and excited beardlings with the odd slayer along for the ride) or a bretonnian quest (a questing knight and his peasant retinue, maybe with a knight errant apprentice) or the carnival of chaos (fairground-themed nurgle).

I'd prefer for them to do the same for warcry, to make it particular to the setting. Not everything has to be done entirely with one eye on the main games. I am far more interested in Warcry qua Warcry than as a backdoor to main AoS.

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Phew lads, lots of baseless speculation in here. 

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51 minutes ago, Requizen said:

Phew lads, lots of baseless speculation in here. 

Not entirely baseless. Warcry has the same format as Necromunda which isn't a bad thing.

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3 minutes ago, Mogwai Man said:

Not entirely baseless. Warcry has the same format as Necromunda which isn't a bad thing.

Does it? All we know is that there are factions and it's skirmish based. That's the same format as Skirmish, Kill Team, and to an extent Underworlds. Nothing so far has told us what type of player it will be for nor anything about the game itself.

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1 minute ago, Requizen said:

Does it? All we know is that there are factions and it's skirmish based. That's the same format as Skirmish, Kill Team, and to an extent Underworlds. Nothing so far has told us what type of player it will be for nor anything about the game itself.

It does. It has a specific setting and theme with six factions that will be unique to the game. That's exactly how the Necromunda format is. It will of course still have its own unique rules and narratives to compliment it.

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When it's supossed to be released?? I think I saw Summer but I can't find where so maybe will be before... I'm starting to get hyped with the game and they say they will preview soon the models and more info. We know this saturday is the two weeks of Shadowspear 40k and maybe will follow a week of new chaos units with lord discordant and maybe some new stormcast I dont know... and next? Khorne battletome and endless bloody things sure... and then?? warcry? forbidden powers?

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11 minutes ago, Hoseman said:

When it's supossed to be released?? I think I saw Summer but I can't find where so maybe will be before... I'm starting to get hyped with the game and they say they will preview soon the models and more info. We know this saturday is the two weeks of Shadowspear 40k and maybe will follow a week of new chaos units with lord discordant and maybe some new stormcast I dont know... and next? Khorne battletome and endless bloody things sure... and then?? warcry? forbidden powers?

Summer of 2019 with no exact date.

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14 minutes ago, Mogwai Man said:

Summer of 2019 with no exact date.

BUT I WANT IT NOOOOWWWW

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I'll admit, it's going to be HARD to wait. Hope Adepticon around 27th March will have more news on Warcry (but I guess that will be more about Forbidden Power).

Anyway I hope by "summer" GW mean end of May-June and not August-September 😛 

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Yeah, it's gonna be a long wait. Keep watching the video/looking at screenshots. I'm super psyched for this. 

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2 minutes ago, Still-young said:

Yeah, it's gonna be a long wait. Keep watching the video/looking at screenshots. I'm super psyched for this. 

Yeah, I just wanna see the band of warriors with wings. I hope we have ranged weapons and a bit of magic sometimes

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2 hours ago, Mogwai Man said:

It does. It has a specific setting and theme with six factions that will be unique to the game. That's exactly how the Necromunda format is. It will of course still have its own unique rules and narratives to compliment it.

It feels you are cherry picking elements to make it match your expectation of it being like necromunda. I could also to the other one: it has NPC’s, no shooting and no specialist roles so it’s nothing like Necromunda  

Both COULD be true, but we don’t know, and therefore claiming it’s something like the other is very subjective depending on what elements you focus on. 

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3 minutes ago, Kramer said:

It feels you are cherry picking elements to make it match your expectation of it being like necromunda. I could also to the other one: it has NPC’s, no shooting and no specialist roles so it’s nothing like Necromunda  

Both COULD be true, but we don’t know, and therefore claiming it’s something like the other is very subjective depending on what elements you focus on. 

It has the same format as Necromunda. Instead of the underhive and gangs setting we get chaos wastes and chaos tribes.

Both games will play completely differently from one another it's only the structure that is similar.

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13 minutes ago, Mogwai Man said:

It has the same format as Necromunda. Instead of the underhive and gangs setting we get chaos wastes and chaos tribes.

Both games will play completely differently from one another it's only the structure that is similar.

It has the same format as Underworlds. It has specific models that look similar to current ones and takes place in an area tangential to the game but not part of core AoS.

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Turns out, with the little we know so far, you can draw parallels to lots of different GW skirmish games. 

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9 minutes ago, Requizen said:

It has the same format as Underworlds. It has specific models that look similar to current ones and takes place in an area tangential to the game but not part of core AoS.

Except you can use the warbands from underworlds in AoS match play since they have warscrolls.

Warcry seems to have a unique line of models that are strictly meant for only Warcry. Necromunda does the same thing with it's line of miniatures. That's why this reminds me more of Necromunda than Kill Team or Underworlds.

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18 minutes ago, Mogwai Man said:

Except you can use the warbands from underworlds in AoS match play since they have warscrolls.

Tell me... how are you certain that they will not gain warscrolls for AoS? The article only says all models will be brand new. Happy to be proven wrong, but if you claim that as fact, then back it up with evidence. 
 

20 minutes ago, Mogwai Man said:

Warcry seems to have a unique line of models that are strictly meant for only Warcry. Necromunda does the same thing with it's line of miniatures. That's why this reminds me more of Necromunda than Kill Team or Underworlds.

This is very valid, but here you state it as your opinion not fact. Which kind of schisms with the quote above it. 

Also yes the models will be unique in that they are completely new sculpts, which is always a good thing :D 

From the Warhammer-community article:

'Every model for this game is brand new, reflecting on the dizzying diversity of Chaos on a scale never attempted before and rooted in rich lore that realises the servants of the Dark Gods as deep and varied cultures.  '

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4 minutes ago, Kramer said:

Tell me... how are you certain that they will not gain warscrolls for AoS? The article only says all models will be brand new. Happy to be proven wrong, but if you claim that as fact, then back it up with evidence. 
 

This is very valid, but here you state it as your opinion not fact. Which kind of schisms with the quote above it. 

Also yes the models will be unique in that they are completely new sculpts, which is always a good thing :D 

From the Warhammer-community article:

'Every model for this game is brand new, reflecting on the dizzying diversity of Chaos on a scale never attempted before and rooted in rich lore that realises the servants of the Dark Gods as deep and varied cultures.  '

These are just my speculations of Warcry. I have only stated what I think Warcry is. Which to me is the fantasy version of Necromunda.

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3 hours ago, Mogwai Man said:

It does. It has a specific setting and theme with six factions that will be unique to the game. That's exactly how the Necromunda format is. It will of course still have its own unique rules and narratives to compliment it.

This doesn’t read like speculations but like you are stating facts. 

Speculation is fine and part of the fun, but things get annoyingly muddy if you state them as facts. But that’s my opinion. 

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