Ajay29 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Looks like plaguemonks got gimped in the musician/standard department. 1 of each per 20, so need to take a unit of 40 to have each option instead. Plus the warscroll is missing the details for the leaders’ Plague Scroll... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 So the keywords, to me at least, are written such that Pack Masters and Master Moulders wont affect Stormfiends and Aboms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, Ajay29 said: Looks like plaguemonks got gimped in the musician/standard department. 1 of each per 20, so need to take a unit of 40 to have each option instead. Plus the warscroll is missing the details for the leaders’ Plague Scroll... Clanrats are 1 per 20. Dont remember if thats how it used to be or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajay29 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Malakithe said: Clanrats are 1 per 20. Dont remember if thats how it used to be or not Yeah but you used to be able to take both standards and musicians in a unit of ten, which is how some people (including myself) built them. Not a huge issue, just means having to make a choice now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Num Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Everything that you are revealing are nerfs 😢 The battletome better be good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overread Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 In fairness I'm rather glad they've toned back on banners. I think a lot of early AoS tomes and such were going a little nuts with how many of them one could choose to take in a force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Look at that price... seems like an opportunity for a bit box conversion 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Just now, Ajay29 said: Yeah but you used to be able to take both standards and musicians in a unit of ten, which is how some people (including myself) built them. Not a huge issue, just means having to make a choice now. A choice? The way im reading 1 in every 20 means you can take both options in a unit of 20. Pick one out of the 20 for the standard. Now pick another one of the 20 for the bell. Side note: the FW Clawlords CA doesnt say it cant be used on the same unit more then once unlike the other Clawlord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 The FW Verminlord was changed to use his ability with the Gnawholes. And he is super scary in combat, casts 2 spells, has all the abilities the other Verminlords have and his signature spell just deletes a selected model. Weapon teams became kinda high risk/high reward tools now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Doomwheel looks legit. Jezzails are just as meh as they were. 1 shot on a 4+? No thanks. Unless their points drop significantly or are part of a good battalion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michu Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 What changed exactly with weapon teams? Are they not viable (competitively speaking, I'm still going to play them)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skreech Verminking Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, Num said: Everything that you are revealing are nerfs 😢 The battletome better be good... Yeah I get what you mean, but if we consider the allegiance ability’s that where already shown, the skaven have become in total just much, much, much more better then before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skreech Verminking Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Just now, michu said: What changed exactly with weapon teams? Are they not viab;e (competitive, I'm still going to play them). Well technically if you use the warpfire thrower weapon team, and somehow manage to get in range, a horde unit o witches or stormcast can say goodbye to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajay29 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, Malakithe said: A choice? The way im reading 1 in every 20 means you can take both options in a unit of 20. Pick one out of the 20 for the standard. Now pick another one of the 20 for the bell. Side note: the FW Clawlords CA doesnt say it cant be used on the same unit more then once unlike the other Clawlord It says 1 in every 20 can take a contagion banner OR an icon of pestilence. So you need 40 to get both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michu Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Just now, Skreech Verminking said: Well technically if you use the warpfire thrower weapon team, and somehow manage to get in range, a horde unit o witches or stormcast can say goodbye to you. Well, now I feel just like Thanquol after the warpstone, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skreech Verminking Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Just now, michu said: Well, now I feel just like Thanquol after the warpstone, thank you. I mean , all of those updates are fantastic. especially if you consider the allegiance ability’s which where already revealed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5kaven5lave Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Big changes to Fiend unit composition and Projectors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirjava13 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 God fething dammit. GOD DAMMIT. Now I know how all those Kharadron Overlords players felt after buying all those models and bits. Cheers GW you absolute eejits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, michu said: What changed exactly with weapon teams? Are they not viable (competitively speaking, I'm still going to play them)? Each one has a chance to kill themselves one way or another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 13 minutes ago, Ajay29 said: It says 1 in every 20 can take a contagion banner OR an icon of pestilence. So you need 40 to get both. Ahh okay..yeah that sucks for them. Clanrats are fine then lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 16 minutes ago, Skreech Verminking said: Yeah I get what you mean, but if we consider the allegiance ability’s that where already shown, the skaven have become in total just much, much, much more better then before. Yeah the allegiance plus battalions, endless spells, spell lores, traits, and items. We still dont know those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 So far im seeing a lot of signature spells at cast 7 or 8 which is really bad. Only the Great Grey Seer himself has bonus to casting roles. I would think the Verminlords would have a +1 built in but oh well. There is always the Gnawholes for a +1 but that requires very specific positioning considering most of the spells are low range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5kaven5lave Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Not loving the Bombardier, pretty sparse warscroll. Bit waff that all the spell ranges are now 13” also. Still very hyped overall for the book though, some great changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angrycontra Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 It's too early to say any of the changes being nerfs. Points are huge factor in determining whether unit was nerfed or buffed. And honestly as I looked those warscrolls I saw tons of buffs across multiple units. Furnaces for example are now insane (bshock immunity aura, more reliable censer, 5++ save for itself against wounds and mws, +1 attack is now prayer instead of corruptor command ability), plague monks got 6+ save and 1 of the banners give them extra dam with unmodified rolls of 6, add to that the skaventide horde ability and they are so broken if their points haven't increased. There are multiple similar changes in book. Plus for anyone complaining about warpfire thrower changes (for stormfiends/thanquol/teams etc.), all I can say you had it coming and I called it myself in several skaven threads here. Modern gw doesn't like too easy to do mws (plus they're now absolutely bonkers against horde armies). Personally I think most of the changes have been for better and these warscrolls haven't disappointed me in the slightest (well okay bit disappointed about stormfiend weapon limitations) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirjava13 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 So far I'm seeing that I can't use mortars and my Stormfiend configurations have made it so I can't use them anymore. A whole lotta 'f u Kirjava' to this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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