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Current State of the Armies

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I figured this would be helpful to new and experienced players alike in keeping track of how the state of the game generally is and a track on what is likely to come in the near future from what GW has officially said.

Note: 

Old Battletome = earlier editions which have lore and warscroll cards; but have no allegiance abilities, pre AoS 2.0 rules
New Battletome = more recent release with AoS 2.0 rules, includes more depth and allegiance abilities and other extended content. 
 

Current count (note  includes all announced Battletomes) 
No Battletome - 1
Old Battletome - 4
2.0 compatible Battletome - 20

Grand Alliance Order:

  • Free Cities - combines Free Peoples, Dispossessed and Aelves - New Battletome, No Terrain, No Spells (however all universal Endless Spells get realm bonus as default)
  • Daughters of Khaine - New Battletome, No Endless Spells
  • Fyreslayers - New Battletome, Endless Spells and Terrain feature
  • Idoneth Deepkin - New Battletome, No Endless Spells, Unique Terrain
  • Kharadron Overlords - Old Battletome
  • Seraphon - Old Battletome, Allegiance Abilities and Battalions GHB2018 
  • Stormcast Eternals - New Battletome, Unique Endless Spells
  • Sylvaneth - New Battletome, Unique Endless Spells, Unique Terrain

Grand Alliance Chaos:

  • Beasts of Chaos - New Battletome, Unique Endless Spells, Unique Terrain
  • Blades of Khorne - New Battletome, Unique Endless Spells, Unique Terrain
  • Disciples of Tzeentch - Old/new Battletome
  • Everchosen and Slaves to Darkness - No Battletome, Allegiance Abilities GHB2019
  • Everchosen - Old Battletome (currently listed with Slaves to Darkness on Webstore)
  • Hedonites  of Slaanesh - New Battletome, Endless Spells and Unique Terrain
  • Maggotkin of Nurgle - New Battletome. Unique Terrain
  • Skaven (All Clans) - New Battletome, Unique Endless Spells, Unique Terrain
  •  Legion of Azgorh (Forgeworld Chaos Dwarves) - New Battletome 
  • Tamurkhan's Horde (Forgeworld Nurgle) - New Battletome 

Grand Alliance Death:

Grand Alliance Destruction:

Forgeworld Armies - downloads for Rules found here https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Downloads#warhammeraos

Note on Forgeworld "missing" demon models : https://www.tga.community/forums/topic/23813-missing-forgeworld-demons/?tab=comments#comment-372507

Removed armies: Note these are armies no longer listed on the GW store for sale, they might have Generals Handbook rules, or they might have been consolidated into other Battletomes/armies. 

  • Brayherd - No Battletome, Allegiance Abilities GHB2018 - However army likely replaced now with Beasts of Chaos as unified force. 
  • Greenskinz - No Battletome - all models removed from sale
  • Gitmob (goblins) - No Battletome - all models removed from sale
  • Aelves - general listing (includes most of the old elf model lines and aelf lines from AoS) Now majority rolled into either Free Cities or removed from sale. 
  • Darkling Covens - GHB2019 rules only - however model line is in Free Cities 
  • Wanderers - akin to aelves above. 
  • Beastclaw Raiders - combined into Ogor Mawtribes
  • Gutbusters - combined into Ogor Mawtribes

Consolidated future Battletome release rumours/hints:

  • Slaves to Darkness - repeat mentions and hints, very likely new Battletome at some stage. Continued Warcry releases keep getting rules for Slaves to Darkness on the GW store. In addition furies have been replaced (through warcry) with new sculpts. 
  • There are some casual hints that Ogors might not be the last Battletome of 2019, however these hints also come with a bit of wishlisting and also the view that it was the "original" plan before Sylvaneth was delayed and thus this delay might have pushed the tome after ogors into 2020. 
  • Beatclaw Raiders and Ogres to be combined into a single Ogres book. Rumoured to be end of 2019. A shipping manifest from a plastic casting firm has been seen which shows several confirmed products. One of which is a terrain feature cooking pot for ogors. 

WARNING = products likely and actually on last orders 

  • Realm of Chaos: Wrath and Rapture  - all models within are now on individual sale - very likely this box will vanish. 
  • Slaves to Darkness Godsworn Warband - Already on Last Chance to Order; any formal hint of a new Slaves to Darkness battletome release will likely fast sell the remaining stock of this set. Note GW tends to pull these from online and formal sale near to Christmas when releasing new boxed deals - if any still remain. 

Beastclaw Raider Battletome has been removed from sale, this further supports the approaching combined ogors book. Note that in light of that the following models are at risk for potential removal before/at the time of launching of the book. They aren't listed as last chance, but if you like any you might want to get them now in case they are removed since they are all either finecast/metal - both materials GW is steadily removing from their products. 

  • Tyrant - we've actually seen a new plastic one from GW at the Nova 2019 so this one is actually confirmed to be replaced

  • Butcher models - both models 

  • Maneaters - all the models are finecast/metal and thus at high risk of being removed

  • Firebelly

  • Gorgers

  • Frost Sabres

  • Icebrow Hunter

  • Icefall Yhetees 

Again please remember nothing is confirmed at this stage, this is purely a "potential" list. 

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Beastclaw raiders have an old battletome with their own allegiance ability, aswell as Bonesplitterz. 

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Just  curious, why do you list Kharadron Overlords as an old battletome and Disciples of Tzeentch as a new one? Is that something I'm missing?

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@ZealousJ I might have made mistakes too - any corrections are most welcome! I was under the impression KO had a much earlier Tome and that Tzeentch were newer but I could be wrong. 

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No worries! I was genuinely curious.

I'm pretry certain Tzeentch was a few months earlier than the Overlords but oddly enough I'd describe it as being a 'new' style tome. It has such a huge selection of models, command traits, and relics and the like, whereas KO  reads more like an old one.

From what I understunderd KO are in much greater need of a new tome too.

anyways, I'll stop blocking up your thread

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50 minutes ago, Overread said:

@ZealousJ I might have made mistakes too - any corrections are most welcome! I was under the impression KO had a much earlier Tome and that Tzeentch were newer but I could be wrong. 

Disciples of Tzeentch came out in January 2017 while Kharadron Overlords were released in March/April that year. So yeah, DoT is a bit older. 

But I think its fair to qualify both as "old" as they where the last Battletomes to come out before the great drought between spring 2017 and January 2018. 

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Pretty sure khorne is an 'old battletome' with allegiance abilities. The Wrath and Rapture box updated some warscrolls to be 'new' style but the majority are awaiting updates like unmodified 6 etc which seems to be the thing from here on out.

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you forgot Gitmob though they are also in the same state as Greenskinz if not outright gone at this point in time.

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Ahh true, however they've got nothing on the GW store now so I think its safe to say that, barring a big release, they are gone. I could see GW bringing them back with a new expansion to Gloomspite oneday. 

 

However both the loss of Greenskins and Gitmob does make one wonder at the future of many of the Aelves who are all lumped up at present. 

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7 minutes ago, Overread said:

Ahh true, however they've got nothing on the GW store now so I think its safe to say that, barring a big release, they are gone. I could see GW bringing them back with a new expansion to Gloomspite oneday. 

 

However both the loss of Greenskins and Gitmob does make one wonder at the future of many of the Aelves who are all lumped up at present. 

Lion Rangers and Swifhawk are in  bad place.

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2 hours ago, Thiagoma said:

Lion Rangers and Swifhawk are in  bad place.

If we look away from Island of Blood no longer existing, I’d argue that Swifthawk is in a better place since GHB18. It made both Shadow Warriors and Spireguard into battleline if its allegiance is chosen. You know, so you can actually make an army of them. 

Come to think about it, having the absolute bare bones is no comfort at all...

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This might use a crude power approximation so new players know what they‘re in for if they choose for example Kharadrons

 

sth. Along the lines of:

(very weak, weak, medium -, medium, medium +, strong, very strong)

power approximation

KO - weak

Bretonnia - Very Weak

LoN - Strong

SCE - Strong

FeC - Medium

DoK - Very Strong

Seraphon - medium +

Beastclaw Raiders - medium -

IdK - Strong

 

etc.

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I shied away from power relations because I find that such topics can get quite heated and varied depending on who plays what army. I think it also confuses the issue for some thinking that a certain army is designed to be strong/weak when it really the result of balance which might be changed at any point.

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37 minutes ago, JackStreicher said:

This might use a crude power approximation so new players know what they‘re in for if they choose for example Kharadrons

 

sth. Along the lines of:

(very weak, weak, medium -, medium, medium +, strong, very strong)

power approximation

KO - weak

Bretonnia - Very Weak

LoN - Strong

SCE - Strong

FeC - Medium

DoK - Very Strong

Seraphon - medium +

Beastclaw Raiders - medium -

IdK - Strong

 

etc.

Tiers used to be the WFB way of expressing this.

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You might want to distinguish between 3 grades of battletome. The old no allegiance ability battletomes like Fyreslayers and Ironjawz. The "medium"? aged battletomes that have allegiance abilities but are clearly written for 1st edition like Blades of Khorne and Beastclaw Raiders. Finally the new battletomes that are written for 2nd edition with full allegiance abilities (Nurgle to current basically). 

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Under Chaos add Legion of Azgorh (Forgeworld Chaos Dwarves) thier PDF from Forgeworld was updated for AoS 2.0, including allegiance abilities, battle traits, a unique spell (fireball from Aquishy spells regardless of realm) 3 command traits, 3 artifacts of power and 3 warscroll battalions. Thanks!

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3 hours ago, Lobeau said:

Under Chaos add Legion of Azgorh (Forgeworld Chaos Dwarves) thier PDF from Forgeworld was updated for AoS 2.0, including allegiance abilities, battle traits, a unique spell (fireball from Aquishy spells regardless of realm) 3 command traits, 3 artifacts of power and 3 warscroll battalions. Thanks!

Also, Tamurkhan Horde as a Nurgle addon with new allegiance abilities.

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Added details on both FW armies and also the terrain features 

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12 hours ago, JackStreicher said:

This might use a crude power approximation so new players know what they‘re in for if they choose for example Kharadrons

 

sth. Along the lines of:

(very weak, weak, medium -, medium, medium +, strong, very strong)

power approximation

KO - weak

Bretonnia - Very Weak

LoN - Strong

SCE - Strong

FeC - Medium

DoK - Very Strong

Seraphon - medium +

Beastclaw Raiders - medium -

IdK - Strong

 

etc.

Legion of Nagash not rated as Very Strong? Have you seen Nagash with 3 battlelines of maxed out Grimghasts 

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6 hours ago, Black Blade said:

Legion of Nagash not rated as Very Strong? Have you seen Nagash with 3 battlelines of maxed out Grimghasts 

......and this is why tiers never work

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I see two ways to compare objectively.

First: To compare armies, you should not only review their strongest composion possible, but also their avarange potential on an competetive level. That needs a lot knowledge about all battletomes and their strength. 

Second: Different game sizes mean different strength. Some Armies shine on 1000p, while others prefer 1500-2000. A few are very strong on any cap.

Terrain and endless spells are not important for the armies strenght itself. 

For example. I see LoN very strong. Especially on small games it benefits from the smaller battlefield, what makes graves much stronger. 

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13 hours ago, Black Blade said:

Legion of Nagash not rated as Very Strong? Have you seen Nagash with 3 battlelines of maxed out Grimghasts 

a.) It's an example
b.) It's supposed to be a "crude" guide. It's not only concerning tournament play.

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