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3 hours ago, kenshin620 said:

 

Now this would honestly have meant NOTHING since many people thought "well it was a weak attempt at including everyone at the 2.0 launch".

 

Well they did forget about Greenskinz during those Faction focus :( 

TBH I rather they roll Greenskinz and the Gitmob back into one faction for the classic O & G like army (though these two ranges are showing their age a little bit), maybe add Gargants for them.

I think Moonclan release is probably going to be like a DoK release but they probably roll in the Troggoths with them

 

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11 minutes ago, novakai said:

Well they did forget about Greenskinz during those Faction focus :( 

TBH I rather they roll Greenskinz and the Gitmob back into one faction for the classic O & G like army (though these two ranges are showing their age a little bit), maybe add Gargants for them.

I think Moonclan release is probably going to be like a DoK release but they probably roll in the Troggoths with them

 

Which is also interesting though since in their Grots preview, Gargants were with moonclan models!

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Now once again this can mean absolutely nothing. We just know that Moonclan is going in on the mushroom look, along with some form of troggoth. In this pic, there are troggoths with moonclan, and weirdly gargants so thats the only connection I'm making so far.

Stupid BoC preview! I don't know whats real anymore!!!!

 

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50 minutes ago, kenshin620 said:

Which is also interesting though since in their Grots preview, Gargants were with moonclan models!

AoSFFGrots-June3-Armyshot4ed.jpg

 

Now once again this can mean absolutely nothing. We just know that Moonclan is going in on the mushroom look, along with some form of troggoth. In this pic, there are troggoths with moonclan, and weirdly gargants so thats the only connection I'm making so far.

Stupid BoC preview! I don't know whats real anymore!!!!

To be fair the Gargants could use a rules update along the lines of the new chaos gargant rules, same with the troggoths. Not to mention that most people who want a gargant have the model by now, as a marketing decision releasing a new updated model would allow them to resell a product that has reached the end of it's lifespan. They can also tie it in amazingly with the new beasts of chaos rule, again letting them resell a product.

Given the growing suspect that it's a grot update not a moonclan update that would make sense. It would also give GW a good reason to re-release and update a whole bunch of models/warscrolls, such as the gitmob war-machines which are still in resin, and could do with rules similar to the new stormcast ballista.

 

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3 minutes ago, Malakree said:

To be fair the Gargants could use a rules update along the lines of the new chaos gargant rules, same with the troggoths. Not to mention that most people who want a gargant have the model by now, as a marketing decision releasing a new updated model would allow them to resell a product that has reached the end of it's lifespan. They can also tie it in amazingly with the new beasts of chaos rule, again letting them resell a product.

Given the growing suspect that it's a grot update not a moonclan update that would make sense. It would also give GW a good reason to re-release and update a whole bunch of models/warscrolls, such as the gitmob war-machines which are still in resin, and could do with rules similar to the new stormcast ballista.

 

Yea I can imagine Destruction Gargants getting an updated warscroll, though perhaps different from the chaos one (in chaos, the beasts don't really like garagnts. Meanwhile generally destruction likes gargants unless it's a particularly cruel owner like the old Slave Giant from Ogre Kingdoms).

 

 

On the other post, while one could make the "gitmobs and greenskinz together" idea, it still leaves one faction of grots out which is Spiderfang. Sure they could be isolated forever in limbo, but once again seems odd since they showed them off in the grot preview. Not to mention they have a big plastic centerpiece kit.

If Grots were in one book, could pull off a Beasts of Chaos and have 3 factions that could either be one dominant theme, or be used together. I don't think it's too far fetched a Spiderfang Boss could be using Moonclan. Meanwhile I can't really see a Spiderfang Boss bossing around Orruks, even with a giant spider. I'm just not sure if spiderfang, moonclan, and gitmobs are too culturally different vs Ironjawz and Bonesplitterz. Sure Moonclan might be high off of shrooms, or spiderfang may like to give sacrifices to a spider god, but they're all tricksy grots in the end. Vs the extremely militant Ironjawz compared to the half naked (or full naked!) berserk savage orruks. As for normal greenskinz, they may be less organized than Ironjawz, but they also follow Ironjawz right? I wouldn't be surprised if they got together in some fashion.

Plus one interesting thing is that, why isn't there a Gitmob warboss? They bothered to keep Snotlings around (who even by 7th edition fantasy were a quirky novelty). Meanwhile the Moonclan warboss is simply "Grot Warboss". Yes his Command Ability is Moonclan only, but it can easily change.

 

Once again this could be completely off base! I can honestly see them either doing DOK (single theme) or BOC (multi theme) with grots.

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On 9/23/2018 at 2:25 PM, broche said:

You can expect fungoid to go up in price once he have acess to spell lore. Right now you can still take it with endless spell. Shaman + sword is only 100 pts, still undercost considering he also has one of the best command ability in destruction.

After reading through the Beasts of Chaos book I am more convinced that the Fungoid Shaman is priced just right and other Moonclan heros should come down in cost.

I would also expect that grots should probably go down a bit in cost.  Ungors are substantially cheaper and the two units are remarkably similar.  I hope that whenever Moonclan gets a book that they separate grot melee unite and grot archers into different units so that they can each be costed more appropriately.  The split between Ungors and Ungor Raiders is a good example of this.

The Beasts of Chaos book is a pretty fantastic umbrella type of book.  I am really impressed at how well they were able to fold the various beastmen factions back into an interesting and coherent army with a ton of fun options.  Hopefully they are planning some similar type of book for Destruction.  I think the Beasts of Chaos book is an even better template for Destruction allegiances than Legions of Nagash is.

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50 minutes ago, Malakree said:

To be fair the Gargants could use a rules update along the lines of the new chaos gargant rules, same with the troggoths. Not to mention that most people who want a gargant have the model by now, as a marketing decision releasing a new updated model would allow them to resell a product that has reached the end of it's lifespan. They can also tie it in amazingly with the new beasts of chaos rule, again letting them resell a product.

Given the growing suspect that it's a grot update not a moonclan update that would make sense. It would also give GW a good reason to re-release and update a whole bunch of models/warscrolls, such as the gitmob war-machines which are still in resin, and could do with rules similar to the new stormcast ballista.

 

I am surprise though that they didn't get rid of Drunken stagger rule like what they did with the Bonegrinder, I know people are very vocal about that one certain rule the Gargant has, yet for BoC it still there.

my thoughts is if they were going to release soup-tome for destruction I think they just going to release something like a Stonekaw Gutstompa Battletome that encomposes all of the destruction army (Orruk, Grot, Ogres) and have that one release tie in all of the subfaction until they release more destruction battletome comes out (Gutbuster, Spiderfang, and Firebellies for whatever reason)

About Spiderfang, I think that Rumor engine spear is hinting at a release for them in the future, I think Spiderfang are different enough from Moonclan to get there own release, since they are base on the forest goblins and worship a spider god that bit Gorkamorka

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7 minutes ago, novakai said:

I am surprise though that they didn't get rid of Drunken stagger rule like what they did with the Bonegrinder, I know people are very vocal about that one certain rule the Gargant has, yet for BoC it still there.

 

Well it is still a giant. GW always has a funny relationship with Giant Rules! They always must have a randomness factor to them.

 

18 minutes ago, Skabnoze said:

After reading through the Beasts of Chaos book I am more convinced that the Fungoid Shaman is priced just right and other Moonclan heros should come down in cost.

After Hag Queens occurred, most heroes look overpriced! ?

But yea for example the base (non squig handling) warboss should definitely be at or less than 90pts.

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14 minutes ago, kenshin620 said:

But yea for example the base (non squig handling) warboss should definitely be at or less than 90pts.

Yeah, the Hag Queen is absurdly cheap.  But all of the characters in Beasts of Chaos are very cheap and pretty good.  They are also a bit similar to grots in some respects due to having fairly low protective stats on most of them.  If a Beastlord costs 90 then I simply do not see any way that the current prices for the grot warboss make sense - even when he brings a Squig (the ones without a Squig should be a different warscroll entirely).

The doombull is only 120 and the Shaggoth is simply amazing at 180.

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4 hours ago, kenshin620 said:

They bothered to keep Snotlings around (who even by 7th edition fantasy were a quirky novelty).

True, they are definitely quirky, but they also use 50mm round bases with bravery 10.  Currently re-basing my Snotlings for a unit of 8 models for 160 pts to take up all the space in my backfield so no-one can teleport in; or as a speed bump for those few armies who still can't teleport ( ie Destruction ).  Always liked Snotlings.

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2 hours ago, Aelfric said:

True, they are definitely quirky, but they also use 50mm round bases with bravery 10.  Currently re-basing my Snotlings for a unit of 8 models for 160 pts to take up all the space in my backfield so no-one can teleport in; or as a speed bump for those few armies who still can't teleport ( ie Destruction ).  Always liked Snotlings.

Well yea theres nothing wrong with snotlings per say, in fact I always wanted to little greens to be good back in normal fantasy! But it sure is strange that they're still willing to keep snotlings in (along with a very quirky orruk synergy) when many other models have fallen on the wayside, both plastic and finecast. Especially in the case for gitmobs with the original goblin bosses.

 

Also the fact that the Spiderfang boss is also weirdly "generic", being a "Grot Big Boss on Gigantic Spider".  True these models have been named all the way back in AoS 1.0, probably years off an actual grot book (whether moonclan, spiderfang, or combined). It would make more sense if the various bosses were more faction based named, like the orruks (savage big boss, orruk megaboss, etc).

The Grot Shaman is also the same exact name whether Moonclan or Gitmob! Ok it could be purely out of laziness, but how many other factions have a unit with the same exact name? Even Chaos Sorcerers and Chaos Lords have different names (for example the nurgle Sorcerer is just "Sorcerer" vs the Slaves to Darkness "Chaos Sorcerer Lord")!

 

AHHHHH am I actually seeing a unified grot army that could be be chosen to be dedicated to Gorkamorka, the Bad Moon or the Spider God with the answers in front of me the entire time???? Or is this all suppose to be separate battletomes! The more I dig, the more it gets all weird!?

 

(Or...GW was just really lazy. ?)

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Personally, I get very tired of folks calling GW lazy. It's pretty obvious if you look at the deluge of minis, FAQs, Specialist Games, and Battletomes, that they are working their hind ends off to keep expanding, evolving, improving, and consolidating their games. Let's retire this meme, please.

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1 minute ago, MacDuff said:

Personally, I get very tired of folks calling GW lazy. It's pretty obvious if you look at the deluge of minis, FAQs, Specialist Games, and Battletomes, that they are working their hind ends off to keep expanding, evolving, improving, and consolidating their games. Let's retire this meme, please.

Well they aren't lazy NOW ?

But the naming conventions occurred at the start of AoS. Wouldn't have been that surprising if they went "Ehh should we have different names for grots? Nah probably won't matter." Remember that was a very different era under a very different leadership.

 

Unless my conspiracy IS right and we are seeing the seeds of a grot book...2-3 years in the making!

The Bad Moon must be in the sky tonight!?

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A unified grot battletome would be nice, seeing as I use a healthy 50/50 moonclan/gitmob ratio at the moment. Grot wolf riders being a notable investment I wouldn't mind paying off in that manner ;)

That being said, a -new- battletome for moonclan with all that entails, with possible new model releases and re-releases (new squigs/squig hoppers) would also be very exciting.

I honestly don't know which I want more (why not both?) :)

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6 hours ago, Skabnoze said:

After reading through the Beasts of Chaos book I am more convinced that the Fungoid Shaman is priced just right and other Moonclan heros should come down in cost.

I would also expect that grots should probably go down a bit in cost.  Ungors are substantially cheaper and the two units are remarkably similar.  I hope that whenever Moonclan gets a book that they separate grot melee unite and grot archers into different units so that they can each be costed more appropriately.  The split between Ungors and Ungor Raiders is a good example of this.

The Beasts of Chaos book is a pretty fantastic umbrella type of book.  I am really impressed at how well they were able to fold the various beastmen factions back into an interesting and coherent army with a ton of fun options.  Hopefully they are planning some similar type of book for Destruction.  I think the Beasts of Chaos book is an even better template for Destruction allegiances than Legions of Nagash is.

not sure what's your argument here (beast of chaos foot wizard cost 100 pts and his way less resistant than fungoid. He as a good ability, so does fungoid. that doesn't prove anything.

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sorry if this has been discussed already, but I'm sure some people noticed Ogors and Ironblaster/Scraplauncher were reboxed a couple of weeks ago.  They are no longer webstore exclusive, and third party retailers are stocking them.  What do you guys think this means?  
1. We finally ran out of WFB stock of these models, so time to rebox them.  Might as well start distributing them
2. Gutbusters battletome incoming, start filling up the retail channels with some models in preparation
I imagine GW tries to keep a limit on the number of SKUs both in their store and being distributed to retailers. This is why most things are webstore only.  For example, the KO heroes are now webstore only, despite being one of the newer armies. (recent change).   Many armies with allegiance abilities / battletomes have most of their units webstore only.  So it seems like they are making a conscious decision to push more Gutbusters. 

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1 hour ago, sorokyl said:


2. Gutbusters battletome incoming, start filling up the retail channels with some models in preparation

Unfortunately we already have other examples of this.

Wanderers and Dispossessed have some boxes repacked (oddly not all though like Thunderers/Quarrelers) for months now. Even if the argument for that was because they have GHB allegiances, we also still have the very odd Start Collecting Greenskinz box.

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So prior to the beasts of chaos battletome announcement we had two hammerhall heralds which referenced them.

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on the 22nd of august.

 

Beasts of Chaos was then announced on the 26th of august. 

So this teaser suggests we have A book coming out before xmas. This is hinting it's a Greenskinz book rather than just moonclan but honestly I'm not hopeful. Would be funny if the reason it was delayed is to expand it into a LoN book from just Moonclan.

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the thing is that the BoC and LoN release didn't came with new models (outside of the Herdstone and Endless spell), I think the purpose of those books is just to tied in loose faction rather then expanding them.  a soup tome would be nice and all and good for destruction in the short term but I think actual big releases on the singular factions with new units and resculpt of existing one (plastic Squigs) is much better IMO. Like make Spiderfang not just three unit total with one of them not resin.

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Death also started like that - first all-encompassing book (LoN), then something more specific (Nighthaunt). If you do a moonclan grots book you have something for old and new moonclan players, but with LoN-like book you have something for (almost - do not forget about Ogors) every Destruction player.

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2 hours ago, novakai said:

though it does look like GW forgot about the original Greenskinz again (maybe since because of how generic they are)

I don't think they've forgotten about them, but they do hope that you forget about them. 

Generic fantasy tropes don't have a place in AoS.  Ironjaws, Bonesplitterz, Moonclan, Spiderfang, Grotbag Scuttlers. These fit in AoS.   I am even worried about my Gutbusters, though I think they are safer than Greenskinz if only because they've bothered repackaging them.  It doesn't look like they've even run through their WFB stock of Greenskinzs yet (and do you really expect them to?)

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I don't know.  Getting rid of old stock via repackaging the old stuff?   Look at the core book. Greenskinz are there (suprisingly), but their entry is so void of flavor.  What is in those two paragraphics that don't apply to all the orc/goblin races?   Also, they didn't get a faction focus preview  (Gutbusters did).   

 

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30 minutes ago, michu said:

Then how do you explain Start collecting! Greenskinz?

well TBH people have question why that box exists in the first place since out of all the current Start Collecting boxes, Greenskinz  is the only army among them without Allegance ability or command traits from either the GHB or an actual Battletome. given this and the lack of a faction focus in AoS 2.0 gives the impression that GW forgets that they exist sometimes

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