Destruction Rumour Thread

[Malakree]

38 minutes ago, Morhgoz said:

Or maybe it's new kind of shaman? Or maybe somekind of mushroom chef who boosts nearby units? No weapons, but that wierd staff.

So the thing which speaks most to me is the fact the staff looks to be a cattle brand, that then makes the burning hot coals on the armour make way more sense. 

 

[Imperial]

[Milandro]

Looks like two separate bands

[Malakree]

Ok that bodes really well for either a Moonclan book or Mixed Destruction.

The Troll one especially, with whats clearly a killer mushroom and some sort of angry stalagmite. Is funny because they were asking at the ukgamesexpo if there were any warbands wee'd like to see. Myself and someone else joked about a 2 model troll warband and were told that there would never be less than 3 fighters.

EDIT: Cross linking my post in the Moonclan Thread because it's definitely rumour mongering. 

 

Spoiler

10 minutes ago, Malakree said:

So, lots to unpack here.

The first thing to note is that in the initial 8 we had 2 warbands which, for AoS, were two separate units. A character and a their bodyguard. In each case the character directly correlated to a pre-existing hero, the skaven warlord and Auric Runefather.

When we look at the two warbands we have an in-depth for we see something intresting.

The Briar Queen Warband

1. The Briar Queen is clearly a banshee.
2. Varclav the cruel is shown to have a set of keys and a candle. This is super important as I'll list below.
3. Every other model is either called a chainrasp or, the everhanged, has the rules text "this fighter is a chainrasp"

Now as to why Varclav having keys and a candle is so important. When we look at the Easy to Build Chainrasp Horde and read the description it says the following.

This means that Varclav is a Dreadwarden, the unit champion for a squad of Chainrasps. So we now have a Banshee and a unit of Chainrasps. So it's not a stretch to see the Briar Queen as being a Tomb Banshee variant.

Stormsire's Cursebreakers Warband

Now following on from the Briar Queen we now have some intresting points here.

1. In the description of Ammis Dawnguard it says 

   She wields a Stormstave and Tempest Blade

2. Rastus also wields a Stormstave and Tempest Blade plus he sports the following text

   This establishes both as Evocators and they both wield the weapons of Evocators.

3. Averon Stormsire DOES NOT say he's an Evocator, despite being the first model to be described.
4. Averon also doesn't use a stormstave and tempest blade, instead carrying an "Incantor's Staff"

This makes builds upon what we saw in the Briar Queen Warband by almost definitely establishing Averon Stormsire as a Knight-Incantor, right down to him literally CARRYING the same weapon.

The Teaser Trailer

So by now we have established that the first two warbands are a Character Variant with a Unit Variant. So lets take a look at the other warbands revealed, what it tells us and why I'm writing a massive post/spurging so hard over this.

Zarbag's Gits 

• Clearly a Moonclan Shaman Variant
• Two squigs
• Two Specialist Nightgoblins
• The teased grot is more armoured and detailed so could easily be a unit champion.

Eyes of the Nine

• A pink Horror
• A Tzaangor
• A Kairic Acolyte
• An strange champion of somekind.

This is possibly the hardest, until you read the Flavour Text on the warscroll for the Gaunt Summoner of Tzeentch. 

Using the pre-established pattern it's not a stretch to see that the leader here is one of the nine Gaunt Summoners. Which again means we have a character and a unit.

Unnamed Darkoath Warband

• Three Chaos Marauderers
• A Darkoath Queen

I hope you can all see the pattern that's been established by now, quick fire time before I build up to the finale.

Unnamed Sylvaneth Warband

• Three Tree-Revenants
• A Wanderers Spell-weaver ?????

Unnamed Kharadron Overlords

• Some Kharadron Dudes
• Does the leader look just like an Aether-Khemist Compete with the same backpack, stupid eye setup and straight bands going backwards over the top of his head?

The Grand Finale

So by now I have established a very strong case for it being a Unit Variant alongside a Character variant. So lets take a quick look at the monster warband which I skipped over

• Some tiny little monsters
• A squig
• A ****** TROGGOTH LEADER

Not only are trolls being added to moonclan, from the squig, but there is going to be a Troggoth Character for them! Holy ****** guys Throgg has got competition!

 

[Skabnoze]

Angry stalagmite is amazing.

Well done GW, you have gone off the deep end of absurdity and delivered something which I had no idea I wanted this much.

I never realized how empty my life was until I knew that this guy existed.

[Imperial]

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[novakai]

this rumor engine feel very obviously for something for Destruction (since no one else uses stone age weaponry), also it looks like it not for any of the shadespire warband

I can't really tell how big the spear is but people say it a grot spear so Spider Fang maybe?

 

[SaJeel]

That spear looks most like standard Greenskins to me, Its not Savage orks, nor is it in line with Iron Jawz, 

[Oreaper84]

1 minute ago, SaJeel said:

That spear looks most like standard Greenskins to me, Its not Savage orks, nor is it in line with Iron Jawz, 

It has too many notches ang grooves to be Std. Orc, to me its either forest grots or a rework of the moonclan given how small the blade is compared to the dangling tooth

[SaJeel]

I ment that the greenskin ones were the closest not a perfect match,  nothing else comes closer imo

[Skabnoze]

8 hours ago, Oreaper84 said:

It has too many notches ang grooves to be Std. Orc, to me its either forest grots or a rework of the moonclan given how small the blade is compared to the dangling tooth

Moonclan do not use stone weapons.  Their Spears have always had jagged metal tips.  They wield metal swords as well.

The Spiderfang grots are the goblins that have traditionally used primitive stone-tipped weapons.

I would say that this weapon would either be for Spiderfang models or it could possibly also be for Darkoath - although they seem to use metal weapons.

[Malakree]

Ok so the leader+unit is basically confirmed after the first two warscrolls have it.

Troll leader incoming guys!

[Skabnoze]

I am pretty excited for the shaman character.  So far the two character wizards each have a unique spell that is pretty good.  I like the standard Moonclan shaman, but I am still quite disappointed in the unique spell for the Fungoid Cave Shaman.  A good Moonclan or grot spell lore would immediately make the Fungoid shaman much better.

I will be very happy with any increase of variety for Moonclan heroes.  I am also hoping that the grot in the armor with the branding iron is something more than just a Squig herder.  My hope is that he is some type of new hero Squig herder character.

[broche]

9 minutes ago, Skabnoze said:

I am pretty excited for the shaman character.  So far the two character wizards each have a unique spell that is pretty good.  I like the standard Moonclan shaman, but I am still quite disappointed in the unique spell for the Fungoid Cave Shaman.  A good Moonclan or grot spell lore would immediately make the Fungoid shaman much better.

You can expect fungoid to go up in price once he have acess to spell lore. Right now you can still take it with endless spell. Shaman + sword is only 100 pts, still undercost considering he also has one of the best command ability in destruction.

[Malakree]

29 minutes ago, broche said:

You can expect fungoid to go up in price once he have acess to spell lore. Right now you can still take it with endless spell. Shaman + sword is only 100 pts, still undercost considering he also has one of the best command ability in destruction.

That's like saying one of the least stinky turds.

He's undercosted compared to what destruction has, compared things like the archmage, loremaster, Bloodwrack Medusa, Isharann Tidecaster, Branchwraith and Branchwych just to do a QUICK runthrough of order.

When you start looking at comparisons for the other grand alliances it's a 4 wound model with a 6+ save and a 5++. The fungoid spell is such levels of garbage it's unreal d6" range for d3 wounds on a casting value of SEVEN!? Lastly the command ability is good, also super conditional.

 

Realistically the spell lore would have to be godlike and even then a Rotbringer sorcerer is only 120 points.

[broche]

I did not say no other wizard weren't undercosted as well. Basic template for a foot wizard is 5 wound, 6+ and 120 pts. Some wizard you mentionned (loremaster, medusa) cost 140 pts. Fungoid have a -1 to hit, a 5++, have the mushroom, and has a command ability (and can lead any allegiance). His only drawback is it's spell suck, witch is now mitigated by endless spell and will become mostly irrevelant once there's a battletome.

So yes, he is undercosted and once they notice he will likely goes up in cost.

[HiddenElephant]

You know, I heard on the Age of Sigmar reddit that the Ogors would be getting two new battletomes in some distant future; the Gutbusters would get one, no new models but Maneaters would be folded into them, while the Firebelly would be greatly expanded with 'Hawaiian-themed Ogors'.  Is there any substance to this?  Has anyone else heard of this?

[Skabnoze]

4 hours ago, broche said:

You can expect fungoid to go up in price once he have acess to spell lore. Right now you can still take it with endless spell. Shaman + sword is only 100 pts, still undercost considering he also has one of the best command ability in destruction.

I could give a $h1t less if he goes up in points or not.  He is a wizard and I prefer to have wizards that have useful spells to cast.  The Fungoid does not.  In order to get good use out of him as a wizard you have to have some other method to access spells - either realm spells or pay for endless spells.

I don’t buy that he would have to go up in cost if Moonclan got a spell lore.  But if he did it would not bother me that much as long as he had access to useful spells.  As it stands now I usually take the standard shaman instead.

And regardless, all I was saying previously was that I am hoping the rules for the shaman from the Underworlds warband will be good and to me he will be a welcome addition.

[Malakree]

The underworlds shaman is definitely going to be a standard moonclan with a unique spell. That's the template they have set out.

I'm actually more curious as to how they will do the squad. Two squigs, a herder and a netter with the single fanatic hidden in the squad?

[Mincemeat]

12 hours ago, HiddenElephant said:

You know, I heard on the Age of Sigmar reddit that the Ogors would be getting two new battletomes in some distant future; the Gutbusters would get one, no new models but Maneaters would be folded into them, while the Firebelly would be greatly expanded with 'Hawaiian-themed Ogors'.  Is there any substance to this?  Has anyone else heard of this?

I heard something about it, can't remember but it was on here from someone who knew a guy who leaked stuff about DoK and deep kin in advance and was right. And it mentioned the Hawaiian stuff and maneatwrs getting folded back in. 

So yeah I heard from a guy I can't remember who may have known a guy who said we may get some ogor stuff. Take it with a wee bit of salt ?

 

 

 

[Imperial]

9 models!

[svnvaldez]

Those archers look like battle for skull pass models. 

Maybe they are adding some rules to use generic non shadespire models. 

 

[Imperial]

1 hour ago, silentdeathz said:

Friend was at GW yesterday  and was told by staff goblin tome in next couple weeks

 

Is this confirmed? 

[Milandro]

On 9/29/2018 at 12:53 AM, svnvaldez said:

Those archers look like battle for skull pass models. 

Maybe they are adding some rules to use generic non shadespire models. 

 

They look similar but I don’t think they are skull pads/regular grots. The one looks to have a mushroom hat instead of his hood. 

They look like they will fit into the regular rank and file which is great. 

I’ll be picking up the white dwarf on Friday, hopefully they do a deep dive on them. 

[kenshin620]

Ok I have a WEIRD conspiracy about Destruction.

While the Grot stuff we have been getting heavily hints at Moonclan...do you think the update will be for ALL Grots?

Meanwhile despite being originally together in WFB, Gutbusters and BCR might actually stay separate.

 

My (very weak) evidence? The 2.0 previews. Gutbusters and BCR have their own separate ones.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/06/01/1st-may-faction-focus-beastclaw-raidersgw-homepage-post-3/

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/06/07/7th-june-faction-focus-gutbustersgw-homepage-post-3/

While Grots have a united one

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/06/03/3rd-june-faction-focus-grotsgw-homepage-post-3/

 

Now this would honestly have meant NOTHING since many people thought "well it was a weak attempt at including everyone at the 2.0 launch". Except one interesting thing. Beasts of Chaos getting their own faction preview. In May, months before they dropped the bombshell that BoC was an actual book. Even with this preview many people never read it as an actual hint at BoC book, just a lazy umbrella for brayherd/warherd/thunderscorn.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/05/31/31st-may-faction-focus-the-beasts-of-chaosgw-homepage-post-3/

 

GRANTED the most probable reason for separate BCR and Gutbusters is due to BCR being a battletome and Gutbusters not even having their own proper allegiance.  So really I'm grasping at straws between BoC and Grots.