Skabnoze Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 6 hours ago, amysrevenge said: To be fair, they are completely different things and properly have different names - but because of the legacy of editions past, their names should probably be reversed. It is nigh-universal that people refer to the act of unbinding as "dispelling" because that's what the equivalent action was called in every previous iteration of the game. So we colloquially are already using both "dispel" and "unbind" to refer to the same action, where until endless spells came around "dispel" was not a thing in AoS at all. So now we're stuck with a common informal usage directly contradicting the new correct usage. We should change it so that they have new terms. I suggest that we use the terms: "skumgrum" and "gorbugger" That should get rid of all of the confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amysrevenge Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 I was thinking of making it even more clear. Unbind for one, and Unwind for the other. So different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skabnoze Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 How about disbind and unspell? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 I hope people realise i was having a go at GW with their wording and not @EddieWouldGo You have reached the conclusion that GW writes things as clear as mud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svnvaldez Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 I have used the following in 3 games and it has been effective and fun. Allegiance: DestructionMortal Realm: AqshyLeadersFrostlord on Stonehorn (420)- General- Trait: Ravager- Artefact: Thermalrider Cloak Frostlord on Stonehorn (420)Frostlord on Stonehorn (420)Fungoid Cave-Shaman (80)Fungoid Cave-Shaman (80)Battleline20 x Moonclan Grots (130)- Pokin Spears & Moon Shields20 x Moonclan Grots (130)- Pokin Spears & Moon Shields20 x Gitmob Grots (100)- Bows & SlashasUnits3 x Grot Fanatics (100)3 x Grot Fanatics (100)Total: 1980 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 113 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broche Posted July 25, 2018 Author Share Posted July 25, 2018 @svnvaldez i'm curious about the 2 fungoid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svnvaldez Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, broche said: @svnvaldez i'm curious about the 2 fungoid? -2 to hit from shooting and is it 3? missions of the 18 the give bonuses/required to capture for wizards or heroes with artifacts of power. Also gives me a hero within 6in to use IP for when the FLs are off fighting, 2 unbinds/dispells, 2 additional rolls at rampaging destroyer, and are cheap. I'm of the opinion that if you are rolling 1 of the 18 missions your list must have 3 scorers for when you roll arcane power. That can be any way you see fit but when playing mixed destro we don't really have access to reasonable battalions to get the extra artifact or a beefy monster wizard (other than troll hag and Arock). Edited July 26, 2018 by svnvaldez 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakree Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 53 minutes ago, svnvaldez said: I'm of the opinion that if you are rolling 1 of the 18 missions your list must have 3 scorers for when you roll arcane power. That can be any way you see fit but when playing mixed destro we don't really have access to reasonable battalions to get the extra artifact or a beefy monster wizard (other than troll hag and Arock). I played one of those at the weekend, other guy goes "so which of your heroes can score it?" Oh all of them, 4 heroes 3 with artefacts and a wizard ? To be honest with all the new artefacts from the realms and the fact you don't have to have a general to use their CA the Hag seems like the Queen of Mixed Destruction. She's got a fantastic spell, is a wizard, has regeneration, solid shooting attack and a built in -1 to hit in melee. Add in an Artefact like the Ignis Scale from Realm of Fire (+4 MW save) and a command trait, what an absolute beast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlasticCraic Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 51 minutes ago, Malakree said: To be honest with all the new artefacts from the realms and the fact you don't have to have a general to use their CA the Hag seems like the Queen of Mixed Destruction. She's got a fantastic spell, is a wizard, has regeneration, solid shooting attack and a built in -1 to hit in melee. Add in an Artefact like the Ignis Scale from Realm of Fire (+4 MW save) and a command trait, what an absolute beast. Unfortunately she can't be your General, because she doesn't have the Leader Battlefield Role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skabnoze Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, PlasticCraic said: Unfortunately she can't be your General, because she doesn't have the Leader Battlefield Role. And that means she also does not meet the leader requirement for list-building. I was a bit disappointed when I realized that. I have around 18 Trolls of various types (mostly old-school metal models) and I was entertaining the idea of getting her and building a Troll army. Obviously I would have to come up with battleline units, but I was a bit sad to see that I had to get another hero as well. But at least we have some cheap options for both of those. I really wish that they had put the Throgg Troll King warscroll into destruction as a leader and then Trolls as battleline if playing Troggoth allegiance. That would be another absurdly great tiny subfaction like Spiderfang. Edited July 26, 2018 by Skabnoze 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieWouldGo Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 7 hours ago, Davros said: I hope people realise i was having a go at GW with their wording and not @EddieWouldGo You have reached the conclusion that GW writes things as clear as mud. I did, no hard feels:) 3 hours ago, Skabnoze said: And that means she also does not meet the leader requirement for list-building. I was a bit disappointed when I realized that. I have around 18 Trolls of various types (mostly old-school metal models) and I was entertaining the idea of getting her and building a Troll army. Obviously I would have to come up with battleline units, but I was a bit sad to see that I had to get another hero as well. But at least we have some cheap options for both of those. I really wish that they had put the Throgg Troll King warscroll into destruction as a leader and then Trolls as battleline if playing Troggoth allegiance. That would be another absurdly great tiny subfaction like Spiderfang. That would be awesome. I was having this idea that, since we are the ugly child of allegiances so far, maybe we could get another "Stoneklaws Gutstompas" type of thing, lets say for all ogor factions (bcr, gutbuster, maneaters, firebelly, old compendium), or a pure monster one with trolls, gargants, destruction monsters, fimir etc. It gives us something to play with, gives an oportunity for compendium armies to have a place and it doesnt need new models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakree Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 (edited) Honestly I feel like they need to just do a Great Waaagh! book in the legions style. Morks Little Waaagh! - Gitmob, Moonclan, Spiderfang, Troggoths and Aleguzzlers Horde of the Great Devourer - All Ogors Fist of Gork - Ironjawz, Greenskinz, Bonesplitterz and Aleguzzlers. Braggoths Bestial Tide - All the various mounted elements of Destruction (so the chariots, boar riding heroes etc. Savage Hordes - Bonesplitterz and Spiderfang. @PlasticCraic @Skabnoze Check the new updated Monstrous Arcanum They have added the leader keyword to her and a bunch of other behemoths! EDIT: FIMIR WARRIORS ARE NOW BATTLELINE IF A FIMIRACH NOBLE IS YOUR GENERAL !!!!!!!! Edited July 26, 2018 by Malakree 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skabnoze Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 Funny enough I was just exploring the idea of using the Troggoth Hag to get extra heroes for scoring beyond what you can normally get since they previously did not count as a leader. Guess that is gone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlasticCraic Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 6 hours ago, Malakree said: @PlasticCraic @Skabnoze Check the new updated Monstrous Arcanum They have added the leader keyword to her and a bunch of other behemoths! EDIT: FIMIR WARRIORS ARE NOW BATTLELINE IF A FIMIRACH NOBLE IS YOUR GENERAL !!!!!!!! Awesome ain't it! Great news. What Command Trait do you like on the Hag? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skabnoze Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 12 minutes ago, PlasticCraic said: What Command Trait do you like on the Hag? Extra wound so that you can use the 14+ line on the damage table for the Hag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlasticCraic Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 @Skabnoze good shout. I also like that your mind went straight to gaming the system to fit 7 Heroes in! Kunnin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindstormSCR Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Working on a mixed destruction greenskin force, and while I want my main 'line of battle' to be Ardboyz, I'm having serious difficulty deciding what to use for ranged support. Core of it is an ironfist with 3 units of ardboyz and a unit of brutes, a set of wolf riders (equipment undetermined, probably bows/shields), one set of moonclan grots with spears/shields/fanatics, and an arachnarok with shaman. will the wolf riders be enough backed up by a shaman on wolf for sneaky stabbing, or should I consider some Orruk archers over more moonclan for battleline? In the interests of theme I am not using any mounted orc HQ units, or even any orc HQ units at all if I can help it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Depending on the size of the wolf units they can do a bit with sneaky stabbing. But normal gitmob grots do really well as archers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broche Posted August 14, 2018 Author Share Posted August 14, 2018 a guys won a tournament with mixed (his list was 2 x magma dragon, frost lord, 2 fungoid, 3 x 10 orruk). Must admit i like this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueshirtman Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 (edited) What is a magma dragon? Are there any safe destruction models to buy right, stuff that people know GW won't nerf with a new book or faq? If they would work with BCR it would be nice too. Edited August 14, 2018 by blueshirtman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broche Posted August 14, 2018 Author Share Posted August 14, 2018 1 hour ago, blueshirtman said: What is a magma dragon? Are there any safe destruction models to buy right, stuff that people know GW won't nerf with a new book or faq? If they would work with BCR it would be nice too. https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/fw_warscrolls/aos-warscroll-magma-dragon.pdf they could ajust his cost, but at 540 i think he's fine for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueshirtman Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 ah cool thanks. never seen it before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlasticCraic Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 10 hours ago, broche said: a guys won a tournament with mixed (his list was 2 x magma dragon, frost lord, 2 fungoid, 3 x 10 orruk). Must admit i like this Yep. @Tom Loyn has posted about his list here in the Destruction forum, you can read what he has to say at this link. Tom also went 5-0 at the 6 Nations (representing Wales with his dragons!) so this list is now 10-0 in competitive events : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caffran101 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Thinking of taking the following list: LEADERS Frostlord on Stonehorn (420) (with the artifact that makes him immune to rend) Huskard on Thundertusk (360) - Chaintrap Huskard on Thundertusk (360) - Chaintrap Fungoid Cave-Shaman (80) Moonclan Grot Shaman (80) UNITS 10 x Savage Orruks (120) 10 x Savage Orruks (120) 10 x Savage Orruks (120) WAR MACHINES Grot Spear Chukka (120) Grot Spear Chukka (120) ENDLESS SPELLS Chronomantic Cogs (60) Aethervoid Pendulum (40) / Although maybe swap for gemenids Reason for artifact choice is that it makes the stonehorn a bit more tankier (since the nerf to stone skeleton). And as mystic shield is no longer +1 to save its quite difficult to improve it now. Any thoughts suggestions on endless spells? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backbreaker Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 On 7/26/2018 at 6:09 PM, Malakree said: [...] FIMIR WARRIORS ARE NOW BATTLELINE IF A FIMIRACH NOBLE IS YOUR GENERAL !!!!!!!! I don't see something on the pdf I have about FIMIRS becoming battleline, where did you see that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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