The gaunt summoner and the balewind

[Arkiham]

Aos 2 throws up new questions abaout this model.

 

is he option A

1 model with 4 familiars ? making him a unit with more than 1 model in

or is he option B

1  model with 4 familiars? who call count as 1 model.  

 

this is important as

if he is option A he cant go on the balewind, but as per rules and FAQ he is a hero model within range of himself and therefore gets -1 to hit until the familiars are killed

if he is option b he can go on the balewind with all his familiars. 

[Anggul]

So there's no reason at all not to take the familiars? They seem to be free with no downside.

[Double Misfire]

8 minutes ago, Anggul said:

So there's no reason at all not to take the familiars? They seem to be free with no downside.

Slop creeps me out. ?‍♂️

[ppetford]

Just checked out the warscroll for a guant summoner. It clearly states a gaunt summoner is a single model. It makes no mention of familiars. (I don’t know where the rules for those are?)

[TheOtherJosh]

59 minutes ago, Anggul said:

So there's no reason at all not to take the familiars? They seem to be free with no downside.

So “free” is a misnomer ... the models are only available in the Silver Tower Box set. (Or via trade or the ‘bay.)

And while the other Warscrolls in the Silver Tower warscrolls set were depreciated (Horrors/Kairic Acolytes/Tzaangor/Ogroid Thaumaturge) the Gaunt Summoner And Chaos familiars one was not.

Here’s the direct link to the Silver Tower warscrolls that included the Gaunt Summoner and Chaos Familiars:

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/aos-whquest-rules-en.pdf

And here is the current errata for those warscrolls from the Warhammer Community Site from July 2018:

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/age_of_sigmar_silver_tower_warscrolls_errata_en.pdf

[Arkiham]

It's not in the app as the app is broken  but he is pointed. 

 

He was the old silver tower one

[Stevie754]

Sorry for the blurry photo it's from a Google search.

Says he is a single model and at the bottom of the description "He is accompanied by a quartet of Chaos Familiars". 

Only mention of unit size is the single model, and almost like the familiars are tokens that follow him rather than extra models in a unit.

[heywoah_twitch]

Neither the Tzeentch nor the Everchosen version of the warscroll mention familiars as far as I can see.

[Rubencm81]

Quick question. How will interact the ability of Gaunt summoner when summonning CHAOS DAEMONS with the new summoning in 2.0? No rolling? Just place a unit of daemons next to the gate and that's it?

 

 

[heywoah_twitch]

Old obsolete warscroll I'm afraid. Current ones have no familiars.

[Arkiham]

32 minutes ago, heywoah_twitch said:

Old obsolete warscroll I'm afraid. Current ones have no familiars.

as i said. its pointed in the generals hand book the app is ****** atm and not to be trusted.

[Anggul]

On 7/30/2018 at 2:00 PM, TheOtherJosh said:

So “free” is a misnomer ... the models are only available in the Silver Tower Box set. (Or via trade or the ‘bay.)

And while the other Warscrolls in the Silver Tower warscrolls set were depreciated (Horrors/Kairic Acolytes/Tzaangor/Ogroid Thaumaturge) the Gaunt Summoner And Chaos familiars one was not.

Well yeah but rules-wise they're free and don't seem to have any downside. Rules-wise there seems to be zero reason to take a Gaunt Summoner without the familiars, he's no cheaper.

Glad I have Silver Tower!

[ppetford]

App has been updated today and a lot of errors I was seeing has been resolved. Still no warscroll for a gaunt summoner with familiars. Have you sent an email to technical?

[MrZakalwe]

Side question as I can't read the text in that picture, does the Gaunt Summoner with Familiars still cost the same as the one without that doesn't get the casting bonus?

[Arkiham]

14 minutes ago, MrZakalwe said:

Side question as I can't read the text in that picture, does the Gaunt Summoner with Familiars still cost the same as the one without that doesn't get the casting bonus?

yea 

[MrZakalwe]

3 minutes ago, Arkiham said:

yea 

 

Figures. Kind of hoped they would fix that. 

[BaldoBeardo]

7 hours ago, Rubencm81 said:

Quick question. How will interact the ability of Gaunt summoner when summonning CHAOS DAEMONS with the new summoning in 2.0? No rolling? Just place a unit of daemons next to the gate and that's it?

 

 

It just happens as the ability is worded.

[Tasman]

My take on this would be that, since they actually have their own war scroll (in the compendium), they would therefore raise the model count above one. Same as for the blue scribes.

[TheOtherJosh]

Per the updated July 2018 Silver Tower Warscroll errata:

“The Gaunt Summoner of Tzeentch and its Chaos Familiars are treated as a single model using the characteristics given above. “

So, your answer is “B”

[ppetford]

The warscroll is now on the App for a Gaunt Summoner with Familiars.

It states the gaunt summoner is a single model. The familiars are placed within 1” of the summoner whenever he moves or is set up.

The rules for the balewind are that the combination of wizard and balewind is treated as a single model.

Therefore I would say that the familiars do not go on the balewind. Instead they are placed within 1” of ’combined model’ once the Summoner has been placed on top.

[TheOtherJosh]

2 hours ago, Anggul said:

Well yeah but rules-wise they're free and don't seem to have any downside. Rules-wise there seems to be zero reason to take a Gaunt Summoner without the familiars, he's no cheaper.

Glad I have Silver Tower!

Absolutely. Rules-wise there isn’t a reason that I can tell that one wouldn’t take the GS and Familiars.