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8 hours ago, TheArborealWalrus said:

Hey, bit of a specific question. So in the last couple of games my free guild general (who might be a bit too much of a lynch pin currently) has been getting sniped first turn with very little I could do about it. Even with look out sir and a bodyguard he got obliterated first by ironblasters and then by bone reaper catapults. (forgot to say he was not in front, that's the goons' job) My city is from the realm of light so hallowheart felt right and then I of course picked the battleshock immunity trait (feel like the others should be better so there's more of a choice, but that's not the point of this post) which made him my opponent's top priority. I'm not sure how to protect him outside of using a dwarf as my freeguild general (which feels very wrong) to be invisible behind his human guards. Maybe make someone less valuable be the army general so at least I can keep his command ability? That's more mitigation of damage though. Plus I like the thematic nature of it being our regal leader to make the peasants fearless.

Might just be a matter of luck, but any ideas?

You can't just use a smaller model instead of the correct one to hide your unit. Besides, if it was a dwarf, the general would still be targetable.

 

Also how does Ironbreakers get in range on turn one? 

 

 

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8 hours ago, TheArborealWalrus said:

Hey, bit of a specific question. So in the last couple of games my free guild general (who might be a bit too much of a lynch pin currently) has been getting sniped first turn with very little I could do about it. Even with look out sir and a bodyguard he got obliterated first by ironblasters and then by bone reaper catapults. (forgot to say he was not in front, that's the goons' job) My city is from the realm of light so hallowheart felt right and then I of course picked the battleshock immunity trait (feel like the others should be better so there's more of a choice, but that's not the point of this post) which made him my opponent's top priority. I'm not sure how to protect him outside of using a dwarf as my freeguild general (which feels very wrong) to be invisible behind his human guards. Maybe make someone less valuable be the army general so at least I can keep his command ability? That's more mitigation of damage though. Plus I like the thematic nature of it being our regal leader to make the peasants fearless.

Might just be a matter of luck, but any ideas?

Bigger bodyguards. We've got Stormcast as an option for a reason ;) 

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7 hours ago, TheArborealWalrus said:

Might just be a matter of luck, but any ideas?

The most universal way would be trying to hide him behind something bigger. LoS blocking terrain is ideal but immobile and you don't get to decide its location. Big models are your second best choice. Do you have a Hurricanum? Most Cities list have one, and they're easy to hide behind.

Apart from that.. our heroes will die quite often, hard to fully prevent it. Try not to put too much functionality into a single character - if enemy has to choose between two kinda useful characters, they both have greater chance of surviving than a single very useful one.

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Our general lost a few options that would make him more durable, due to the choice to make the Empire Captain the counts as General (thus losing the shield), and loss of Indomitable.

That said, I would encourage you to leave the actual commanding of the troups to one General, and being the General to another, if the catapult becomes common, put him on a Griffin.

Not only is this a brilliant model, but the catapult is a murderer for foot lords, and one of the reasons I doubt the OBR are balanced. The griffin dude has a lot more wounds and a better save, so isn't as squishy.

I don't have the time to check it, but if the catapult deals mortal wounds, just sticking Ignax's scales on him also works.

Lastly, note that you already have battleshock immunity on your half of the field.

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Are there any viable options for making a list primarly out of Wanderer units (and possibly a dab or two of Sylvaneth)? 
Have Wandereres retained any of their old abilites, or gained new ones?

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2 minutes ago, gronnelg said:

Are there any viable options for making a list primarly out of Wanderer units (and possibly a dab or two of Sylvaneth)? 
Have Wandereres retained any of their old abilites, or gained new ones?

Living city allows you to mix in Sylvaneth units, 1 in every 4. The wanderer warscrolls have been updated, so you can run a mostly wanderer force, however we now lack and hero choice or hero spellcaster, so a pure Wanderer is a little hard. But the main core is still there.

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38 minutes ago, gronnelg said:

Are there any viable options for making a list primarly out of Wanderer units (and possibly a dab or two of Sylvaneth)? 
Have Wandereres retained any of their old abilites, or gained new ones?

Living City, as mentioned, should be the first place you look at. Most its abilities are pretty wanderer-friendly. Plus, it allows Sylvaneth units.

Wanderers kept almost all of their units (except glade guard) in the culling preceding the battletome, but lost most of their heroes. You are now left only with Nomad Prince (and Sylvaneth characters) so if you want, say, a hero wizard, you have to look somewhere else. But, good news is, Battlemages have no restrictions when it comes to spell targets,  and require no particular support to function, so they work great with wanderer heavy army (including both wizardmobiles).

Also, If you happen to be one of the old Wood Elves players, Living City is the best place to make a good use of a dragon dreadlord, so anyone in possession of the old forset dragon model suddenly can rejoice ; )

And remember that Shadowblades provide great source of rules for glade guard and glade riders (with shadow warriors and dark riders, respectively) if you wanted to use more of the old models.

 

As for the old abilities - Wanderers lost all the allegiance stuff they had in GHB, but gained the ity allegiance abilities instead. The new ones are, arguably, better.

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11 hours ago, TheArborealWalrus said:

Even with look out sir and a bodyguard he got obliterated first by ironblasters and then by bone reaper catapults.

This seems like both bad luck and bad positioning. An Ironblaster should be hitting on 5s against a 3+ save model (unless something crazy has happened your general should be in terrain on round 1). Then you're passing half the wounds off on a 4+ to your retinue, the chances of an Ironblaster sniping your general turn one are very low. The OBR catapult is a bit worse because its fixed damage with a better to hit but the counter point is it has no rend so it should take 3 wounds to get you to fail one save of which you should on average only take 2-3 wounds from. 

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Wait a sec guys. The OBR catapult doesnt just deal MW. 2 of its abilities say "the model is slain". That a hard removal, not just simple wounding of a unit.

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9 minutes ago, Myrdin said:

Wait a sec guys. The OBR catapult doesnt just deal MW. 2 of its abilities say "the model is slain". That a hard removal, not just simple wounding of a unit.

It's once per game shot on 200 point behemoth. And if it's undamaged, it rolls with -3 modifier, making it extremely unreliable as alpha strike sniper. Yeah it sucks if it happens to succeed right at the start of battle and there's no real way of protecting yourself against it, but it has only around 40% chance of killing a 5 wound model.

I'm unsure, though, does that thing require line of sight? If yes, it's still relatively easy to hide from it. If not, well, it's best not to put too much faith into a single 5w character then...

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On 11/12/2019 at 2:47 AM, Double Misfire said:

Bigger bodyguards. We've got Stormcast as an option for a reason

I was considering that. Wanted to bring out the old retributers again, see if they're any good still. Might be large enough to hide the boss, he's rather tall though...

On 11/12/2019 at 2:48 AM, dekay said:

The most universal way would be trying to hide him behind something bigger.

True. After getting penned into my deployment zone by beastclaws the game before, I opted to maintain pressure on the center. Relying on my 40 swordsmen and the pheonix guard to protect the boss. Unfortunately ironblasters are about double the height of a man so he just peeked over. Even more difficult against the catapult as it's around Nagash's height. I have a luminark, it's more that the huricanum feels shooting focused and I want to rely mostly on combat if I can. (Our players were scarred by an all shooting free guild list at a tournament back in the day. Trying to avoid those memories) It's rather difficult to do though.

On 11/12/2019 at 3:00 AM, zilberfrid said:

Lastly, note that you already have battleshock immunity on your half of the field

Unfortunately that's for hammerhal only, I was playing hallowheart. Alas, no more shield or banner, but at least you can't just idly poke him with a stick in melee anymore. I love the griffon model, but he always has underperformed when I use him. I'm reluctant to use my points on him. I might give him another shot if this keeps up though.

On 11/12/2019 at 6:46 AM, SwampHeart said:

An Ironblaster should be hitting on 5s against a 3+ save model

He was using the shooting mawtribe which gives an artifact that hands out +1 to hit against heroes/monsters. That combined with two of them and the double shot command ability was dangerous. Admittedly I should have thought about my set up more, as I could have held off, but I was thinking about the beastclaw game. He also got 3 hits that did 16 wounds (0 passed saves+ near max damage = oof). Also failed all 3 saves against the catapult (which does need line of sight). Like I said, might have just been bad luck.

I think I'll try using some phoenixes so that my opponent has something else to think about alongside a trial run of the stormcast helpers. I should make someone else my general, but I might not for thematic reasons. We'll see. I'll try it next weekend and let you know how it goes. (side note): Are batreps ok here? Are people interested in hearing them? 

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1 hour ago, TheArborealWalrus said:

I was considering that. Wanted to bring out the old retributers again, see if they're any good still. Might be large enough to hide the boss, he's rather tall though...

Ha! What mini are you using for your general? :) 

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18 hours ago, dekay said:

I'm unsure, though, does that thing require line of sight? If yes, it's still relatively easy to hide from it. If not, well, it's best not to put too much faith into a single 5w character then...

In it's current wording the abilities don't need line of sight sadly. Maybe this will get an errata later down the line.

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33 minutes ago, AlmGandix3 said:

In it's current wording the abilities don't need line of sight sadly. Maybe this will get an errata later down the line.

What makes you think it doesn't need line of sight? All its special attacks are listed as separate missile weapon profiles and thus according to the core rules it needs line of sight like any other regular missile attack.

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In order to attack with a missile weapon, the model using the weapon must be in range of the target unit (i.e. within the maximum distance, in inches, of the Range listed for the weapon making the attack), and the target unit must be visible to the model with the weapon

 

If it wouldn't need line of sight, it had to be explicitly  mentioned in the Mortek Crawler's warscroll. Like the Trebuchet for example:

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Arcing Shot: This unit can shoot at enemy units that are not visible to it. If it does, subtract 1 from the hit roll for the unit’s Rocks and Masonry attack.

 

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Checked, @Duke of Gisoreux is right, it seems. Crawler only ignores attack sequence. Attack sequence begins with rolling to hit. So before that, crawler uses standard rules, and therefore must see its target.

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23 hours ago, Double Misfire said:

Ha! What mini are you using for your general? :) 

He's a custom sculpt. Started life as a chaos chariot driver though. Retributer and temporary swordsman for scale. I've got more work to do on him, so he's not done yet. Based off of https://www.deviantart.com/l3monjuic3/art/House-Leo-Centurion-794039437.

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10 hours ago, TheArborealWalrus said:

He's a custom sculpt. Started life as a chaos chariot driver though. Retributer and temporary swordsman for scale. I've got more work to do on him, so he's not done yet. Based off of https://www.deviantart.com/l3monjuic3/art/House-Leo-Centurion-794039437.

Nice model, but yeah, might be problematic to hide even behind stormcast. Nothing that some behemoth wouldn't solve though ; )

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1 hour ago, dekay said:

Nice model, but yeah, might be problematic to hide even behind stormcast. Nothing that some behemoth wouldn't solve though ; )

Plus, I am not exactly eager to use Stormcast in my army. My current general holds his sword aloft, I think that will change to a bit more forward.

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Some of you may find Faction Focus: Cities of Sigmar valuable. The video is 4 hours long and I've time stamped the best I could in the episode description. Between a human, aelf & duardin player... we attempt to deconstruct the book as best as possible, and to be honest; we could have done another 2+ hours.

 

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2 hours ago, MrCharisma said:

 

Some of you may find Faction Focus: Cities of Sigmar valuable.

 

I saw it yesterday, it was a great rundown, so thank you!

 

Has anybody here played with Ironbreakers?
I have aquired two  Greywater Watch start collecting boxes and I have heard a lot of praise for the Irondrakes, but I really prefer the Ironbreaker models. So I would love to hear any suggestions on how to use them effectively. And what is the best equipment for the leader?

Cheers!

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3 hours ago, MrCharisma said:

Some of you may find Faction Focus: Cities of Sigmar valuable. The video is 4 hours long and I've time stamped the best I could in the episode description. Between a human, aelf & duardin player... we attempt to deconstruct the book as best as possible, and to be honest; we could have done another 2+ hours.

Didn't you make a mistake with the timestamps ?

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1 hour ago, Mikkl said:

I saw it yesterday, it was a great rundown, so thank you!

 

Has anybody here played with Ironbreakers?
I have aquired two  Greywater Watch start collecting boxes and I have heard a lot of praise for the Irondrakes, but I really prefer the Ironbreaker models. So I would love to hear any suggestions on how to use them effectively. And what is the best equipment for the leader?

Cheers!

I have a bunch on the way.  I haven´t used them yet tho.  In theory they sound good.  A nice 3+ save that become 2+ in round 1 (go first, run forward, make your opponent cut through 30 wounds of 2+ saves).   Their attack profile is only ok, but with 2 separate buffs available that add attacks it wouldn´t be hard to have each one dishing out 4 3+/4+/-/1 attacks.  Throw in a Runelord and you can get a little rend. Stick 10+ Longbeards nearby and grumble for reroll 1s to wound.  Things can quickly add up.  CoS is already big on synergy.  A nice wall of these could still put out some good damage and let your other units (counter-charging Hammerers, Great Weapon Longbeards, Irondrake) get into position.

Now, my strategy above falls to pieces if you don´t go first, and probably isn´t exactly super competitive.

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Hey everyone. So after reading through everything well as much as I could haha 😂. I have put together a list that I was wondering what y’all thought about.

 

 

Allegiance: Cities of Sigmar
- City: Tempest's Eye

Leaders
Aether-Khemist (140)
Knight-Incantor (140)
Celestial Hurricanum With Celestial Battlemage (280)
Sorceress (90)

Battleline
40 x Arkanaut Company (480)
30 x Darkshards (300)
30 x Eternal Guard (330)
10 x Freeguild Guard (80)
- Swords and Shields
10 x Freeguild Guard (80)
- Swords and Shields

Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs
Soulscream Bridge (80)

Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 146

 

I’m looking at trying to go to quite a few events next year so this army needs to be at least somewhat competitive whilst still fun to play. 

 

Anyway let me know what you think good or bad. 

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Has anyone had much success with artillery? Had my first 2k game with the greywater fastness battery, and while being a big distraction, they didn’t do too much. Irondrakes and gyrocopters on the other hand were absolutely amazing. 

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