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AoS 2 - Dispossessed Discussion

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@Double MisfireI'm afraid prochuvi is probably right on this. The units are basically frozen in time now and will remain in their current form and be left behind eventually. Same situation as Brets and Tomb Kings.  You can probably still play them with the original points with some friends, but by next edition if there is one, they will be probably beyond weak and unplayable. This is not really time for a dwarf party, more like a funeral march into the Halls of the Ancestors. I'm still not sure how the artillery will work unless it's only for this current GHB as things are seeming to indicate. 

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It's a shame what happens here, but I'm surprised how the dwarfs handle it. Who really loves his dwarfs and feels like a dwarf does not give up. Write your grudges in the great books and fight for them. Show them that the dwarf people are not dying and still standing upright. We are here to stay. Not even death is powerful enough to erase the heritage of the dwarves from the world. Let them hear our war songs. Fire the cannons so their thunder reverberates in the Nottingham halls. Send the clans into the fight so they will never be forgotten. This is the only way to let their creators know that they are needed. That we want them. That we love them. Even if we only have one year for this.

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@Bombort @Double Misfire having warm fuzzy sentimental feelings towards dwarves doesn't change a thing. GW simply does. Not. Care. How do you expect us to handle 40% of our faction getting discontinued? It really irks me that people on this forum (not necessarily yourselves) are trying to defend GWs decision to do this as if what they are doing is okay and acceptable. We have been strung along and strung along on a false hope as players, it happened first with the fyreslayers fluff teaser giving us hope for our faction's future. Then with the GHB19 and the copy paste allegiances we were let down but persevered because at least there point changes and an incentive that our faction is still considered and that we are just waiting for our time. Then suddenly the warriors they just did points changes for are discontinued? What If I wanted to buy more warriors from GW in the next year? Oh wait I can't. The way GW have handled this has been nothing short of deceitful. First they said the discontinued units would be a 'handful', is 33 units across order a 'handful'? And they didn't even have the decency or the guts to give us advance warning or any reasons behind their decisions, they just decided to put everything on last chance to buy overnight on a Friday night and send out a crappy email on the Saturday morning with no article or anything to communicate to us.

What they should have done is taken notes from the 40k team and revamped the model line like they did with Chaos Space Marines. I think all of us here would have been happy to play warriors, thunderers etc with a new aesthetic and updated warscrolls. None of us would complain about a dwarf refresh.

The reality is we have been handed an expiry date of 1 year from now and have gone the way of the TK, Brets, Gitmobs. We are already weak as a faction and this decision to discontinue our warriors who were effective screens, our thunderers and artillery (signature and iconic dwarf units) and our Unforged are the final death bell for us as a faction. They will receive no warscroll updates and will be left behind while the rest of the AoS factions continue to gain more and more abilities on their warscrolls which are high synergistic with their allegiance abilities, battle traits and heroes.

I'm not normally a negative poster and you can search my post history to see that, but this one has really got me this time. We should be calling GW out on practices like this. I am already starting to see the cracks in 'new GW', at first WarCom was great but it has slowly become not just a marketing tool but something to caused people to panic buy. And they have done two price increases this year with some units receiving quite disproportionate price increases.

I'm sorry but I'm not prepared to spend £200+ on boxes of the more recent dwarves for my faction to continue to be relevant. 

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Who said that the fluff teaser in the Fyreslayers book is not going to happen? It could be a whole new army, in which the old models just dont fit. I dont get, why so many people feel "betrayed". Do you feel betrayed when Volkswagen stops producing a version of the Golf? They can't produce the old models forever. And how should they have done the message better? If they made an announcement earlier, the models would have gone earlier. Maybe you think they could have made their announcement and keep producing the models for a while, but i think thats a bit naive. I dont know how the producing works, but i think its nothing you can easily keep going for a handfull of people that are realy buying these old models. Of course, you're right, when you say 34 units is more than a handful, but do you realy think they should have said "Hey, here is our new battletome. Enjoy it, but please be aware that we are squatting more than 10% of the entire order model range". Of course they couldn't do that. But i'm with you, they could have handled it more sensible. An expiry date of a year is better than squatting them just before the new handbook isn't it?

The faction of the Dispossesed have not been hit that hard, really. The warriors we have can easily be used as longbeards. For a long time, the longbeards had even been build out of this box. The cannons are a kick in the nuts, but they could not be fielded as dispossesed before without allying, so nothing new for us. And who knows, maybe we get a new cannon model, similar to those on the Greywater Artworks. Left over only one kit: The thunderers and quarrelers. This is really sad. All we can do here is take the models and field them as handgunners or crossbowmen. I know its not the same, but in fact the models where realy old and doesnt fit the size of the already existing models of dwarfs. If we expect a new Grungni faction, which by definition cant be called Dispossesed, the diference in sizes would be even bigger. 

I have been collecting dwarfs for more than a decade now. I am sad, that the model range is smaller now, too. But does all this crying now help? 

You said GW doesn't care. You're right. They don't care about the tears. But they care about our wallets. If people keep playing the dwarfs and all the store managers all over the world keep telling their bosses, if there are pictures and battle reports of dwarfes keep fighting, then we will finally get new models and a book for our own.  Call me optimistic, but i think its a better option than constant crying with random strangers. If people think, crying is better, than they should write mails to GW, where the crying could really help.

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@Zadolix

You're talking to a dude with a squat avatar with massive Dogs of War and Kislev collections. Sulking about something as smalltime as losing three dated plastic kits, the majority of whom can be used to represent existing units is entitlement on the level I'd expect from an elf. ;) 

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1 hour ago, Zadolix said:

It really irks me that people on this forum (not necessarily yourselves) are trying to defend GWs decision to do this as if what they are doing is okay and acceptable

It really irks me people on this forum trying to convince others that the choice are unacceptable ;) Acceptable, unacceptable it's subjective.

My personal view on the decision aside. It's just having a different view of what the game needs to go forward. You could argue that everything that players invested in needs to stay, or you could argue a lot needs to go to make room for GW to produce new stuff. Again subjective and from a business point of view whatever choice they make they will lose some players who feel differently. But apparently GW thinks this is the way to go. 

(for the record, I do feel they should have thrown out a whole lot more during the transition instead of stringing it along. I do get the choice of dropping the dwarfs without Gromgril, I would probably but I do feel the timing is off. Unless you drop the new stuff real quick after the frustration is going to fester. That's the part I don't get. The best timeline they apparently could come up with was: reveal City tome, drop a bunch of models* and then first release a space marine codex which will take up all the room this week, and somewhere after that pre-orders for the tome and potentially showing new models. Reveal - axe - pre order and reveal' would have been much better in my mind)

*which kind of makes sense, would have been worse if they waited with that announcement

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There are ways in which the Freeguild does resemble classic dwarves. We are slow, we rely on ranged firepower, we have units with shields and units with great weapons. Our generals don't do magic, they inspire our forces and if they are to stand their ground, they will be very painful. Great Companies work well to exact revenge on everyone coming near, and musicians and banners in our troups resemble the Disposessed counterpart. A general with Indomitable can bolster the saves of his troops, and artifacts also improve the troups instead of himself.

The problem is that Freeguild is not unaffected, we lost durability on the general, and we lost the war banner (which made our warriors more dwarf-like in bravery). We don't even know whether we'll keep the Great Companies or even our allegiance and its general traits and artifacts.

Fleeing from one old army to a different one is not the safest bet.

I would wait for CoS, if there is a city with Disposessed and Freeguild, with a good ability, warriors can easily be guards, and quarrelers/thunderers can easily be crossbowmen/thunderers, and you need not even put a human in the entire roster.

Plus, I think an Ironbreaker atop a Demigryph could look awesome as very heavy cav.

Maybe the Guard warscroll will be updated to allow for Duardin or Aelf as keyword, we simply do not know.

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And on the bright side the 60% of our range still here is going to get a warscoll rework.  Shield wall, right now, is 90% the cause of our "slow" feel... You cannot run or charge the lads in order to reroll saves.

We can field gyrocopter and gyrobomber without alling them, same as steam tank, demigryph. 

One of the allegiance is going to have KO (or fyre, cannot remember) in without point restriction.

I'm not defending GW but dispossessed are the ppls who built the cities of Sigmar, I see only options gained for a small tabletop price: outdated models. Good models, nice models, "dwarfy" models. But outdated ;)

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I’m trying to be optimistic but this cull was pretty hard hitting.

The way I see it now, the dispossessed are missing all their core troops.  I could see the unforged going tbh, and I was on the fence about the core unit kits, but the artillery was a blow.

I’m an optimist.  What I’m hoping, is that they’re just having a clear out of the old kits, and this book is a get you by, and then going forward they’ll bring out new kits.  I hope.  And I accept that that is a long shot. 

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I too try to be optimistic.

Warriors and Quarellers/Thunderers probably needed to be squatted, they were pretty old kits.

On the other hand, if there is nothing to fill the gap... 

And Cannon, Unforged and Gunmaster were a really nasty surprise.

What hurt me most is the lack of communication and how quickly things got done.

I'm still waiting for CoS Battletome, maybe something good will come from it, and some sacrifice were to be made.

But I'm no fool, we'll probably be blended to CoS soup, and Dispossessed and "Duardins of old" may disappear to just be "Duardins of free cities" without grudges, grumbling, lore and so on...

That being said, it's just what I'm thinking with the recent events. Who knows ? We'll probably get something to shine upon... Or maybe not.

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Looking at the long term I'd honestly be shocked if GW didn't introduce some new cannon models for Free Cities and the dwarves in particular. The big question will be if it comes with the launch of the book (highly doubtful) or when within the next few years. Sadly Fantasy has a LOT of factions due for updates and reworks

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What if the more traditional dwarf artillery was to return?  The grudge thrower and bolt thrower?  Bigger and in plastic?

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I do think something closer to Dispossessed than what Fyreslayers and Kharadrons were is going to happen at some point. Grungi simply wouldn't be so prominently namedropped not only in Black Library fiction - which often means absolutely nothing - but army and campaign books. 

With that being said, my guess is it will be what Fyreslayers are to what Slayers were, rather than an expansion ontop of the existing Dispossessed line. So we'll probably see heavily armoured dwarfs marching from Karaks backed by big guns, but they won't be WHFB Dwarfs+1 per say. It will probably be less jarring of a change than what Fyreslayers/Kharadrons were, but still lead to most of the Cities of Sigmar Dwarf line being squat'ed.

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I have made a small competition to display your grudges creatively, so tease that Dragon Slayer, inspire your thunderers and enrage your warriors, and show Sigmar what they are worth!

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Hi everyone. Just wanted to tell my sad story.

I wanted to play warhammer as a kid but couldnt afford it. As an adult I started playing TotalWarhammer on PC and fell in love. I played Dwarf almost exclusively for 2.5years until I order a unit warriors. I was immediatly hooked and set on the quest to recreate my PC army fir tabletop. Now, about 1.5 years into the hobby I have one 6pts of mixed duardin, mostly dispo. 

Mission accomplished. Here is my army compared to TWW.20190527_212341.jpg.12d570ab888f67e63a38fd49b722bae1.jpg20190530_230100.jpg.3af7e155462ad0386a96608e2513f003.jpg

Then GW dropped the axe while i was painting 30 thunders. Id only played 1 games so far. I was sure Dwarf would be taken care of after seeing how well goblins were treated.

 Brand new hobby, brand new to painting. Big fail.

Trying to stay motivated. Im very excited for Warcry. Here is my Dwarf Brewery Warcry board wip.20190811_093823.jpg.9f284144b721b2c635d49c50acd085c3.jpg

Also Id like to start writing custom Dispossesed Warcry cards. Any help or ideas would be appreciated.

Thx for reading.

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If all this means that the warriors, quarrels and thunderers will go an just be treatwd as legacy. Then i lost 70% of my dispossessed army (30 quarrels, 20 thunderers, 50 warriors.. and also 4 cannons). I hope that GW would atleast give us some info about cities of sigmar. I have still a hopefull heart. Maybe we get new models, maybe we get compleatly new units? It is hard to se the dispossessed fade away becaus they seemed to be one of the most loved army :/ all i see is just updates on the freeking smurfs.

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@Oath Stoned We started this hobby at all most the same time, and we both have quite large collections of dwarfs, and it is hard knowing that so many of our models are now discontinued, but we have to hold out hope for the remaining line to get included, and possibly expanded upon later. At the end of the day we’re dwarfs, we never should give up. I’m holding on to all my dwarfs, even the old ones that have been discontinued. The ones remaining I will buy more of and make a cities of Sigmar army. 

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Just rumors, but maybe valid information. Two wounds for Dispossessed? Would help a lot in my opinion.

Also I already have great ideas for a Dwarf themed Watchtower :D

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On 8/20/2019 at 6:19 AM, Max Baumann said:

 

Just rumors, but maybe valid information. Two wounds for Dispossessed? Would help a lot in my opinion.

Also I already have great ideas for a Dwarf themed Watchtower :D

The old watchtower as faction terrain?

How dwarfy can we convert this thing (My cannons will have a use after all! ...😭)?

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Hey everyone! I'm a new member here but a long time reader.

I recently bought a LOT of Dispossessed but luckily I bought mostly "elite" units.  I have 60 Ironbreakers, 30 Hammerers, 20 Irondrakes, 20 Longbeards, 1 Bomber, 1 Copter, 1 cannon, 1 organ gun, 3 Kings, 3 Runelords, 2 Cogsmiths and I also bought a Steam Tank and have the 2 Empire artilleries.

So you might guess i'm the ones that is "ok" with older models phasing out but I have genuine empathy for those that lost a big chunk of their army.  I also feel weird when GW decide to discontinue models without a word about it, no reassurement, no "hey guys don't worry a surprise is coming".

So I feel your pain, but I still can't wait to see what's coming for us in the Cities of Sigmar and hoping for some future support on the faction.

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I've been theory crafting a bit and I came with a bit of what I'd like to call an "Avalanche" build.

This is a basic idea for the list. The Allegiance is Dispossessed for now but I made it to kind of prepare what a CoS dwarf list may look like for a 2k game.

General Warden King (100)

Heroes

Runelord (80) (Ancestral Pickaxe)

Runelord (80)

Runelord (80)

Battleline

Longbeardsx20 (200)

Longbeardsx10 (100)

Longbeardsx10 (100)

Hammerersx20 (280)

Hammerersx20 (280)

Ironbreakersx20 (280)

Other Irondrakesx20 (360) Total Points: 1940

 

Goal is super simple. Screen the Hammerers with the Longbeards and come roaring in like a rockslide with thr hammers. The pick axe will teleport the Irondrakes as normal, or occasionally the Ironbreakers to steal an objective and sit on it like an immovable mountain.

Main issue is mobility, though this army would be running a fair bit.

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Hey y'all.

I've come here to listen to the last news about our noble kin, and I'm sad to hear what is happening in the Realms... Although I can understand how the removed models didn't really fit the new aesthetics of AoS, and maybe GW should just focus on how to make something interesting about naked-fire-beardies and steam-sailors-of-the-skies for now. Also, our elites may add a nice touch of dorf tankiness in future combined armies, like in CoS settings for example...

But I really like the idea of a "glorious death", fighting until the very end and showing all these beardlings what the dwarf pride is all about. After all, this Book of Grudges ain't empty yet!

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Hey guys. I'm sad to hear some people here are leaving the boat, but true dwarven soldiers will grudge this, but keep on the fighting. 

With that said, I can't wait for the new CoS book to come out and see what news are for us. If we do get those 2 wounds each.... we're gonna rock so much. As for myself, I did buy mostly only elite units so those news doesn't quit bother me. Your warrior could easily be used as Ironbreaker or something anyway. 

With that said, I had a question for those of you who are still thriller by this army ! With our mighty Warden King, his command trait which add +1 to wound to any friendly units attacking the target. Does that command trait stack ? If I used 2 command point, would it add +2 to wound that unit? (In my nighthaunt army, the hero add 1 attack to a team. And I can use 4x points to add +4 attack to all figurines in that team...) 

 

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On 8/24/2019 at 9:10 PM, VonBenny said:

With that said, I had a question for those of you who are still thriller by this army ! With our mighty Warden King, his command trait which add +1 to wound to any friendly units attacking the target. Does that command trait stack ?

No, because the rule has an errata which states that the same unit can't be chosen more than once in the same face for this Command-Abbility.

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