Kramer Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said: doesn't help the Start Collecting is one of the weaker ones Mostly because of the lack of use of the gunhauler. If that’s a good option it’ll sell as hot cakes. A redundant hero is to be expected. Thunderers sound ver cool garrisoned in ships. Skywardens and/or riggers will have a place. it depends on the gunhauler if it’s valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zilberfrid Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Kramer said: Mostly because of the lack of use of the gunhauler. If that’s a good option it’ll sell as hot cakes. A redundant hero is to be expected. Thunderers sound ver cool garrisoned in ships. Skywardens and/or riggers will have a place. it depends on the gunhauler if it’s valuable. I like the design of the Gunhauler, and $ per point is better than the Gyrocopter, but 6,5 euros per model for the thunderers and almost 11 for the skywardens is a bit rich, plus the start collecting only has one hero, so even after discount it's a bit much. Had the SC been Khemist + Arkanouts + Skywardens + gunhauler, or better yet Frigate + Arkanauts + navigator + khemist, it would make more sense as a set. It would then have battle line, plus hero that supports it, plus flying craft, plus something to buff that flying craft. Edited December 31, 2019 by zilberfrid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormrage89 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 14 minutes ago, Kramer said: Mostly because of the lack of use of the gunhauler. If that’s a good option it’ll sell as hot cakes. A redundant hero is to be expected. Thunderers sound ver cool garrisoned in ships. Skywardens and/or riggers will have a place. it depends on the gunhauler if it’s valuable. I think If they did a slight upgrade to its shooting characteristics (more shots or more accurate shots), and hopefully change the bomb racks to be more then a 50,50 chance. (without changing the prince) I think they would be a pretty solid unit. The Fly Higher trait depends on keeping your woulds less then 7 or it goes away. In that way the "Escort Vessel" trait becomes way more valuable. Don't get me wrong, If they made they way better i would not complain. I just think with a few slight improvements they would be just fine. What do you guys think? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plavski Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Its 5+ save just can't survive in the modern game. It's far too easy to dump it off the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormrage89 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 15 minutes ago, plavski said: Its 5+ save just can't survive in the modern game. It's far too easy to dump it off the field. Ya, i Can differently see this as something that will probably improve, even if the other things i mentioned do not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkanaut Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Just seen preview, and I got only one thing to say. WE ARE GOING TO BE SO BUFFED! Just these two changes shown are massive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick907 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 So far the leaks have been very promising! I think KO will be a solid choice in tournaments in the coming years. I only hope they aren’t so powerful as to require a major faq revision haha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, plavski said: Its 5+ save just can't survive in the modern game. It's far too easy to dump it off the field. All the ships are getting redone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satyrical Sophist Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 What other dwarfs are tempting for the port that can take them? I've got iron drakes, longbeards and gyrocopters already, but I don't know if I can resist getting some Fyreslayers to paint up. Big thing stopping me was not wanting to do a whole army 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormrage89 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 23 minutes ago, Satyrical Sophist said: What other dwarfs are tempting for the port that can take them? I've got iron drakes, longbeards and gyrocopters already, but I don't know if I can resist getting some Fyreslayers to paint up. Big thing stopping me was not wanting to do a whole army ya, i'm probably going to get a starter box of fyreslayers depending on the rules for what they can take and what can embark / garrison. (whatever the rules end up being.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thostos Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Satyrical Sophist said: What other dwarfs are tempting for the port that can take them? I've got iron drakes, longbeards and gyrocopters already, but I don't know if I can resist getting some Fyreslayers to paint up. Big thing stopping me was not wanting to do a whole army When KOs were first released,the build I ran had a block of 20 Vulkites and the Runesmiter with the key that allowed them to backdoor my oponents,,worked pretty well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 5 hours ago, Stormrage89 said: I think If they did a slight upgrade to its shooting characteristics (more shots or more accurate shots), and hopefully change the bomb racks to be more then a 50,50 chance. (without changing the prince) I think they would be a pretty solid unit. The Fly Higher trait depends on keeping your woulds less then 7 or it goes away. In that way the "Escort Vessel" trait becomes way more valuable. Don't get me wrong, If they made they way better i would not complain. I just think with a few slight improvements they would be just fine. What do you guys think? I think you are right. Slight buff and keep the points. Together with the allegiance abilities hvae it be worth it. If they go the other route, big improvement with fitting points cost.... I still wouldnt take them looking at the current faction focus. I'd rather get a second/third frigate for Fly High. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 6 hours ago, zilberfrid said: I like the design of the Gunhauler, and $ per point is better than the Gyrocopter, but 6,5 euros per model for the thunderers and almost 11 for the skywardens is a bit rich, plus the start collecting only has one hero, so even after discount it's a bit much. Had the SC been Khemist + Arkanouts + Skywardens + gunhauler, or better yet Frigate + Arkanauts + navigator + khemist, it would make more sense as a set. It would then have battle line, plus hero that supports it, plus flying craft, plus something to buff that flying craft. all true would have been better. Can always be better but from the perspective of someone who played KO before point reduction after point reduction... This could easily be 600+ pts. and if they are actually useful and even with the points now. Thunderers are super useful and a staple, same goes for the endrinriggers/skywardens. That's €65 euro's. So you only need to for the gunhauler or endrinmaster to be worth it. But it likely wont become a ironjawz deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cofaxest Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 6 hours ago, Stormrage89 said: I think If they did a slight upgrade to its shooting characteristics (more shots or more accurate shots), and hopefully change the bomb racks to be more then a 50,50 chance. (without changing the prince) I think they would be a pretty solid unit. The Fly Higher trait depends on keeping your woulds less then 7 or it goes away. In that way the "Escort Vessel" trait becomes way more valuable. Don't get me wrong, If they made they way better i would not complain. I just think with a few slight improvements they would be just fine. What do you guys think? I think that you will drop your troops from the ship and they will die from enemy charge. I still can't understand why everyone thinks that garrison rule and teleportation will help KO being competitive. You can transport only 10-20 models per ship and it's 320-720 pts for one packed up ship. Plus you need heroes and battleline. Without chemist buff, 1 skyhook per 10 arcanauts and 4+ tohit with shooting it looks like a joke to me. We need damage or survivability not movement. I hope we will get that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zilberfrid Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 29 minutes ago, cofaxest said: I think that you will drop your troops from the ship and they will die from enemy charge. I still can't understand why everyone thinks that garrison rule and teleportation will help KO being competitive. You can transport only 10-20 models per ship and it's 320-720 pts for one packed up ship. Plus you need heroes and battleline. Without chemist buff, 1 skyhook per 10 arcanauts and 4+ tohit with shooting it looks like a joke to me. We need damage or survivability not movement. I hope we will get that. You could get survivability by allying in Ironbreakers. Are we certain the to hit is going to stay 4+? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zilberfrid Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 39 minutes ago, Kramer said: all true would have been better. Can always be better but from the perspective of someone who played KO before point reduction after point reduction... This could easily be 600+ pts. and if they are actually useful and even with the points now. Thunderers are super useful and a staple, same goes for the endrinriggers/skywardens. That's €65 euro's. So you only need to for the gunhauler or endrinmaster to be worth it. But it likely wont become a ironjawz deal Yeah, I guess. I could take Thundrik's, add few extra dwarves, add a few balloons and end up with 10 thunderers, khemist, edrinmaster, gunhauler 3 pikes and 3 edrinriggers. None of which are battleline. I guess I'll see what they can actually do before I make a decision. It could actually become a sc Greywater and sc Kharadron, and a unit of LOTR dwarves as a doubler. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Satyrical Sophist said: What other dwarfs are tempting for the port that can take them? I've got iron drakes, longbeards and gyrocopters already, but I don't know if I can resist getting some Fyreslayers to paint up. Big thing stopping me was not wanting to do a whole army That’s what tempest eye did for me 😁 but allied hearthguard with a runesmiter has been a great allied force for my KO for a year now. It’s really useful to set up that wall of undying dwarfs on the table. fyreslayrrs, in small groups, seem really fun to paint as well 50 minutes ago, cofaxest said: I think that you will drop your troops from the ship and they will die from enemy charge. I still can't understand why everyone thinks that garrison rule and teleportation will help KO being competitive. You can transport only 10-20 models per ship and it's 320-720 pts for one packed up ship. Plus you need heroes and battleline. Without chemist buff, 1 skyhook per 10 arcanauts and 4+ tohit with shooting it looks like a joke to me. We need damage or survivability not movement. I hope we will get that. If you want damage and survivability instead of movement that’s called fyreslayers. I’m not saying KO is any tier yet until we see some play but if you feel teleportation is not going to help be competitive you haven’t played a objective based game in a while. Having a boat with passengers just move anywhere in their movement phase is insanely good. regarding still needing battleline. We have no idea if the frigates battleline in ziflin is the only one. Skywardens conditional battleline seems likely to me, same for thunderers. And where did you get the points? Or the confirmation that the khemist rule won’t change but the amount of special weapons will? Fact is. Just like anyone here you don’t know anything besides the community article. So why do desperate to convince people this is going to be a fail? let the glass half full people enjoy it and when we turn out to be a 3-2 army there is time enough to bemoan we need survivability 😁 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cofaxest Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 43 minutes ago, Kramer said: That’s what tempest eye did for me 😁 but allied hearthguard with a runesmiter has been a great allied force for my KO for a year now. It’s really useful to set up that wall of undying dwarfs on the table. fyreslayrrs, in small groups, seem really fun to paint as well If you want damage and survivability instead of movement that’s called fyreslayers. I’m not saying KO is any tier yet until we see some play but if you feel teleportation is not going to help be competitive you haven’t played a objective based game in a while. Having a boat with passengers just move anywhere in their movement phase is insanely good. regarding still needing battleline. We have no idea if the frigates battleline in ziflin is the only one. Skywardens conditional battleline seems likely to me, same for thunderers. And where did you get the points? Or the confirmation that the khemist rule won’t change but the amount of special weapons will? Fact is. Just like anyone here you don’t know anything besides the community article. So why do desperate to convince people this is going to be a fail? let the glass half full people enjoy it and when we turn out to be a 3-2 army there is time enough to bemoan we need survivability 😁 I just want to be more sceptical about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phasteon Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 7 hours ago, Barkanaut said: Just seen preview, and I got only one thing to say. WE ARE GOING TO BE SO BUFFED! Just these two changes shown are massive. So you are not rage quitting GW now? Who would have thought 🤷🏼♂️ Anyway, I hope all the doomsayers are feeling ashamed now, as expected those previewed rules looked very strong, thematic and fun. Maybe put a bit more trust into the company whose products you bought for so long now. 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Just now, Phasteon said: So you are not rage quitting GW now? Who would have thought 🤷🏼♂️ Anyway, I hope all the doomsayers are feeling ashamed now, as expected those previewed rules looked very strong, thematic and fun. Maybe put a bit more trust into the company whose products you bought for so long now. Haha give it a week before the tome reading begins. It’s going to be all bad. Then wait again until someone wins a tournament. Well be flying high (see what I did there 🤭). Then it’ll be shouting for an update 😂 11 minutes ago, cofaxest said: I just want to be more sceptical about it. now I feel bad ☹️. Fair enough you are right. You should be allowed to be sceptical without me writing 6 novels to argue positivity. It’s just, to me, exclamations like ‘it seems like a joke’ come across as a negative click bait title. Especially when it’s without any knowledge (not calling you unknowledgable, but we as a community don’t know anything yet.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasant Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, Phasteon said: So you are not rage quitting GW now? Who would have thought 🤷🏼♂️ Anyway, I hope all the doomsayers are feeling ashamed now, as expected those previewed rules looked very strong, thematic and fun. Maybe put a bit more trust into the company whose products you bought for so long now. From rage to joy in a moment hahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cofaxest Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kramer said: now I feel bad ☹️. Fair enough you are right. You should be allowed to be sceptical without me writing 6 novels to argue positivity. It’s just, to me, exclamations like ‘it seems like a joke’ come across as a negative click bait title. Especially when it’s without any knowledge (not calling you unknowledgable, but we as a community don’t know anything yet.) Just saying. When our book comes out I want to be pleasantly surprised) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Gunhowlers question : they are in the artillery slot which is max out at 4 per 2000 pts. Can we have several of them in one unit, counting as one? Because if it is 4 ships max, I couldn't spam gunhowlers!, !?!????? I'd like to have a SHIP ARMY followed by buble men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, GeneralZero said: Gunhowlers question : they are in the artillery slot which is max out at 4 per 2000 pts. Can we have several of them in one unit, counting as one? Because if it is 4 ships max, I couldn't spam gunhowlers!, !?!????? I'd like to have a SHIP ARMY followed by buble men. So far in other armies behemoths that become battleline lose their behemoth status. So if that’s any indication it wouldn’t surprise me if that would also work for frigates in Ziflin and if gunhaulers are conditional battleline that seem likely to me as well. but honest it’s all guesswork until the reading of the tomes on Saturday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Gunhowler is NOT behemoth in the current BT. I tried warscrolbuilder, the restriction is "artillery", being max 4 for 2K pts. How many can you play in the current BT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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