AoS 2 - Stormcast Eternals Discussion

[Kramer]

57 minutes ago, AdamR said:

If you have Blight War and Soul Wars, maybe build around a Soulstrike Brotherhood battalion? You'd just need another 5 hunters and 1 castigator.

Hehe feel I should have found that one myself! 😅 thanks! Don’t know how I feel about the castigators but it’s indeed an easy battalion to start of with! Great call. 
 

51 minutes ago, Lucur said:

If you want to go magic heavy, i'd say build a grand convocation and take some endless spells. SCE spell lores are lacking imo. From there you can stick to sacrosanct for theme or add cheaper Liberators for the points, a big block of Evocators is always a good core and a credible threat.

Ooh am I right in thinking a unit of 5 evocaters counts as 5 wizards right? thats quite good and thematic. Get 3 mounted evocators as the models are dope to escort a mounted arcanum. 5 foot evocators to escort the exorcist. Thanks! Get some endless spells in there, 3 battleline and my army is close to done! 

[Maturin]

5 minutes ago, Kramer said:

Ooh am I right in thinking a unit of 5 evocaters counts as 5 wizards right? thats quite good and thematic. Get 3 mounted evocators as the models are dope to escort a mounted arcanum. 5 foot evocators to escort the exorcist. Thanks! Get some endless spells in there, 3 battleline and my army is close to done! 

Nope, they count as 1 wizard as long as they are at least 2 in the unit.

[AdamR]

1 hour ago, Kramer said:

 Don’t know how I feel about the castigators 
 

 

Take 2 units of 18 supported by an Arcanum on Gryph charger.

Unleash 72 shots the turn they arrive rr1's and -2 rend.

Laugh as your opponent removes Nagash/Archaon/Karkyboi/baddie of choice

Profit

EDIT - go Astral Templars for +1 to hit monsters for extra lolz!

Edited December 5, 2019 by AdamR
Extra lolz

[Kramer]

2 hours ago, Maturin said:

Nope, they count as 1 wizard as long as they are at least 2 in the unit.

Pff so they need to stay closer together. Or do they count as wholly within 9” of themselves? 

47 minutes ago, AdamR said:

Take 2 units of 18 supported by an Arcanum on Gryph charger.

Unleash 72 shots the turn they arrive rr1's and -2 rend.

Laugh as your opponent removes Nagash/Archaon/Karkyboi/baddie of choice

Profit

EDIT - go Astral Templars for +1 to hit monsters for extra lolz!

haha them lolz. Shame there is no box of them. Which surprised me! Why only the push fit models. 

[Sleepa]

3 hours ago, AdamR said:

Unleash 72 shots the turn they arrive rr1's and -2 rend.

Whoa! You gotta tell me how you can get 72 shots from 36 Castigators! No Condescending sarcasm intended. Is there something I'm missing? Everything I've seen indicates they only have 1 attack on their shooting profile, and I'm unaware of anyway to increase that. Is it somehow in Cities of Sigmar? I know you could double-tap with Anvils Command Ability, but they'd already have to be on the table in the Hero phase for that.

[AdamR]

Soul strike brotherhood gives castigators and ballista +1 shot the turn they scions on to the board.

16 minutes ago, Sleepa said:

Whoa! You gotta tell me how you can get 72 shots from 36 Castigators! No Condescending sarcasm intended. Is there something I'm missing? Everything I've seen indicates they only have 1 attack on their shooting profile, and I'm unaware of anyway to increase that. Is it somehow in Cities of Sigmar? I know you could double-tap with Anvils Command Ability, but they'd already have to be on the table in the Hero phase for that.

 

[Lucur]

The issue is more it's a gimmick list. If your opponent properly screens you waste your double tapping into chaff, afterwards you're left with some mediocre Castigators. Also the chore of assembling and painting 36 ever the same snapfit models... ew! ^^ i wish Castigators were useful outside this battalion, i like the models. But alas...

[Sleepa]

16 minutes ago, AdamR said:

Soul strike brotherhood gives castigators and ballista +1 shot the turn they scions on to the board.

 

Well I'll be damned. I had completely dismissed the SC battalions, since they are generally so inflexible on the number of units you can include and extend the bonuses to. Not to mention the points issues SC already have, fitting enough heroes and hammers into a list while trying to afford spells or battalions.

If it's only the turn they deep strike, and they only have 18" range, then that's a 1,400+ point investment for one round of shooting that isn't even as damaging as Longstrikes? Geez... GW really needs to take another swing at these SC Warscrolls.

[AdamR]

13 minutes ago, Lucur said:

The issue is more it's a gimmick list. If your opponent properly screens you waste your double tapping into chaff, afterwards you're left with some mediocre Castigators. Also the chore of assembling and painting 36 ever the same snapfit models... ew! ^^ i wish Castigators were useful outside this battalion, i like the models. But alas...

Agreed, as I said, I only posted it for LOLZ!

Plus @Kramer said he wasn't after a tournament list, and the battalion (with a sensible amount of castigators) is perfectly playable in friendly games. I know, I've done it!

[Kramer]

34 minutes ago, Lucur said:

The issue is more it's a gimmick list. If your opponent properly screens you waste your double tapping into chaff, afterwards you're left with some mediocre Castigators. Also the chore of assembling and painting 36 ever the same snapfit models... ew! ^^ i wish Castigators were useful outside this battalion, i like the models. But alas...

No I’m not going to do that. Gimmick list aside I’m looking for a fun list. From building to playing and only those snapfit models would kill me. 

[CommissarRotke]

On 11/7/2019 at 7:36 AM, schwabbele said:

Nice , we got our own sub forum now 🥳

been a while and catching up.. an Order subforum or a SCE sub? for what purpose?

edit: nvm i see now. while it makes sense, will others get the same treatment?

Edited December 6, 2019 by CommissarRotke

[CommissarRotke]

On 11/24/2019 at 1:24 PM, simakover said:

Hello, have some models form Shadespire(all stromcasts models), can i with some minor investment make a 1000pts list? not takin they as bands, but straight units( buying some models to compelete units from ebay)

I did the math stuff for this and it's not really worth it. Averon can be used as a LAoF, and his 2 bodyguards as the missing 2 evos from Soul Wars but that's about it.. Using the Farstriders in Warcry is doable though.

[l1censetochill]

So one of my local stores is starting an escalation league next week, and I've decided to get in on it as a chance to get in some games and motivate myself to keep painting my backlog. Eventually I'm planning on building into a Celestial Vindicators list with a bunch of Dracolines, but for now we're starting at 500 points and I've got to keep the list pretty lean. At the moment, this is what I'm planning on starting with at 500:

Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals
Mortal Realm: Ghur

Leaders
Lord-Arcanum (160)
- General
- Trait: Staunch Defender
- Artefact: Gryph-feather Charm
- Spell: Azyrite Halo

Battleline
5 x Sequitors (130)
- Stormsmite Mauls and Soulshields
- 3x Stormsmite Greatmaces
5 x Liberators (100)
- Warhammer & Shield
- 1x Grandhammers

War Machines
Celestar Ballista (110)

Total: 500 / 500
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 200
Wounds: 33

*****

I realize there probably isn't much to talk about playing at such a low point total, but I'd nevertheless be interested in hearing input or advice from anyone who has experience playing Stormcast at lower point totals (I've only played 2k). At present we're only required to take one battleline unit, so I could take out either the Sequitors or Liberators to make room for something else, but... the points available are just so slim, I'm not sure what else I'd even be able to fit in there.

I had also considered replacing the Lord-Arcanum with a Knight-Incantor (or even a Lord-Castellant), allowing me to drop the ballista and add another squad of Sequitors. The extra bodies would certainly be welcome, but I'm concerned I'll feel a bit naked without any ranged support. The Lord-Arcanum's -1 to hit spell, Prime Electrics, and Cycle of the Storm also all feel like they'd be a bit more impactful in a lower point game. Any thoughts?

[Carsomyr]

46 minutes ago, l1censetochill said:

So one of my local stores is starting an escalation league next week, and I've decided to get in on it as a chance to get in some games and motivate myself to keep painting my backlog. Eventually I'm planning on building into a Celestial Vindicators list with a bunch of Dracolines, but for now we're starting at 500 points and I've got to keep the list pretty lean. At the moment, this is what I'm planning on starting with at 500:

Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals
Mortal Realm: Ghur

Leaders
Lord-Arcanum (160)
- General
- Trait: Staunch Defender
- Artefact: Gryph-feather Charm
- Spell: Azyrite Halo

Battleline
5 x Sequitors (130)
- Stormsmite Mauls and Soulshields
- 3x Stormsmite Greatmaces
5 x Liberators (100)
- Warhammer & Shield
- 1x Grandhammers

War Machines
Celestar Ballista (110)

Total: 500 / 500
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 200
Wounds: 33

*****

I realize there probably isn't much to talk about playing at such a low point total, but I'd nevertheless be interested in hearing input or advice from anyone who has experience playing Stormcast at lower point totals (I've only played 2k). At present we're only required to take one battleline unit, so I could take out either the Sequitors or Liberators to make room for something else, but... the points available are just so slim, I'm not sure what else I'd even be able to fit in there.

I had also considered replacing the Lord-Arcanum with a Knight-Incantor (or even a Lord-Castellant), allowing me to drop the ballista and add another squad of Sequitors. The extra bodies would certainly be welcome, but I'm concerned I'll feel a bit naked without any ranged support. The Lord-Arcanum's -1 to hit spell, Prime Electrics, and Cycle of the Storm also all feel like they'd be a bit more impactful in a lower point game. Any thoughts?

Wouldn't dropping the LA as your general make sequitors not battleline? How many do you need at 500? 2?

[l1censetochill]

16 minutes ago, Carsomyr said:

Wouldn't dropping the LA as your general make sequitors not battleline? How many do you need at 500? 2?

Per normal rules, yes, even at 500pts you need 2 battleline (Vanguard rules). In this escalation league, though, we're only required to take 1 batteline until we get to 1000 points, which gives a bit more flexibility in that regard.

So Knight-Incantor/Castellant + 2x5 Sequitors + 1x5 Liberators is a theoretical possibility for now. I'm just not sure if it'd be better than the Arcanum and a Ballista to deal some ranged wounds. I feel like there will be games where the Ballista does nothing, but there will also be some where I'll get a few good rolls and wipe an important unit off the table with it. Only one way to find out, right?

Edited December 6, 2019 by l1censetochill

[Kramer]

3 hours ago, l1censetochill said:

Per normal rules, yes, even at 500pts you need 2 battleline (Vanguard rules). In this escalation league, though, we're only required to take 1 batteline until we get to 1000 points, which gives a bit more flexibility in that regard.

So Knight-Incantor/Castellant + 2x5 Sequitors + 1x5 Liberators is a theoretical possibility for now. I'm just not sure if it'd be better than the Arcanum and a Ballista to deal some ranged wounds. I feel like there will be games where the Ballista does nothing, but there will also be some where I'll get a few good rolls and wipe an important unit off the table with it. Only one way to find out, right?

Are you meant to keep building on the lists? Or can you switch it up? 
Otherwise make your choices on what you want to field in bigger games I suppose. 

[l1censetochill]

1 hour ago, Kramer said:

Are you meant to keep building on the lists? Or can you switch it up? 
Otherwise make your choices on what you want to field in bigger games I suppose. 

We're allowed to switch them up whenever points increase. So at present, it's mostly just about building the best list I've got available at 500, then 750, then 1000... and so on.

Though honestly, in going from 500 to 750, it does seem pretty clean to just add on 5 Sequitors and a Lord-Castellant for exactly 250 points. Haven't decided that for sure yet, but I'm considering it at least. Gotta make a final decision on the first 500 first!

[armisael]

Chaos warrior is much better than Liberator now.

[Maturin]

17 minutes ago, armisael said:

Chaos warrior is much better than Liberator now.

How do you lnow ?

[Lucur]

There's previews on Youtube.

[Maturin]

Found the warsrcolls on 4chan s TG

[The World Tree]

Liberators really need staunch defender and to count for 2 on an objective.

[Lord Krungharr]

Maybe in GHB2020 they will change up how objectives are controlled, perhaps by wounds, or some sort of added keyword (at least for Monsters?).

[armisael]

3 hours ago, Maturin said:

How do you lnow ?

Their warscroll is already in AoS App. Chaos warrior is also 100 points per 5 models as same as Liberator. I don’t know why Liberators are far more worst.

[OIF4IDVET]

It’s honestly a damn joke at this point. I hate I had to order 9 raptors just to be semi competitive and have to watch the minimum liberator choice  just vanish off the table the minute anything touches them.  The powers that be surely have to know the state of the book I mean people are complaining on Facebook right? If not we need to launch a campaign lol. Sorry guys rants over.