kuroyume Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 10 hours ago, schwabbele said: Make room for at least 1 additional CP, you don’t wanna drop those evos and get caught pants down rolling a <6 It actually happened to me on tuesday 😫so I'm thinking it's a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 1 hour ago, frostfire said: So that's why I think aetherwings are needed. This is correct. It doesnt matter how fast or strong your opponent is if you can get one little bird within 3" before they get to declare a charge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requizen Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 3 hours ago, PJetski said: This is correct. It doesnt matter how fast or strong your opponent is if you can get one little bird within 3" before they get to declare a charge Like I said, if I stick with Anvilstrike (might need to for my next big tournament), I'm thinking of jumping to 2, 3, maybe even 4 units. There's lots of ways to get overwhelmed by fast melee, and we need all the slowdown we can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake3991 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 3 hours ago, PJetski said: This is correct. It doesnt matter how fast or strong your opponent is if you can get one little bird within 3" before they get to declare a charge Just to be clear, as it is not in the FAQ. When a unit of aetherwings makes their beginning of the charge phase move, they can in fact move inside 3'' therefore tying up that enemy unit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake3991 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, jake3991 said: Just to be clear, as it is not in the FAQ. When a unit of aetherwings makes their beginning of the charge phase move, they can in fact move inside 3'' therefore tying up that enemy unit? My apologies, I found a very detailed thread covering this, link below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake3991 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 32 minutes ago, Requizen said: Like I said, if I stick with Anvilstrike (might need to for my next big tournament), I'm thinking of jumping to 2, 3, maybe even 4 units. There's lots of ways to get overwhelmed by fast melee, and we need all the slowdown we can get. The battalion vanguard justicar conclave might offer a good route. It not only contains the units of interest (raptors and aetherwings) but it reduces drops and re rolls 1s! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerOfSigmar Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, jake3991 said: The battalion vanguard justicar conclave might offer a good route. It not only contains the units of interest (raptors and aetherwings) but it reduces drops and re rolls 1s! From my point of view, the problem with that battalion is that you want a big raptor unit to use Anvils CA, then you will spend many points on the raptors(9+3+3?), which you need to spend like 1000 points on this battalion and the units inside alone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requizen Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 56 minutes ago, HammerOfSigmar said: From my point of view, the problem with that battalion is that you want a big raptor unit to use Anvils CA, then you will spend many points on the raptors(9+3+3?), which you need to spend like 1000 points on this battalion and the units inside alone. I've been musing a Vanguard Justicar as more of an MSU list. ~6 Longstrikes, 2x3 Hurricanes (or 3 and 6), dropping the Hurricanes in the middle of the board with the Birds to play distraction while the Longstrikes whittle down. But 6 without double shooting is just... very inefficient, even against a perfect enemy unit. If you're going Vanguard Justicar, it would only (imo) be worth it if you're going heavy Hurricane Raptors and just trying to play a midfield field of fire type list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Williams Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 I think that it would be... amusing... to have an army that starts with birds on the boards, and raptors int he sky, such that at the start of the game the only thing on the board is a bunch of birds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crkhobbit Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Right, you kinda need Aetherwings. So even 6 Longstrikes at 360 is actually 3 drops for 460 points. Plus a teleport. So your 6 Longstrikes are now at 560 points, and are going to average about 6 wounds per turn against a 4+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostfire Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 I am pretty much looking forward to some point drop on the Vanguard Chamber to make the big Vanguard battlion viable. It will certainly become super strong then.(Maybe a good way to sell stocked vanguard models for GW.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grudgebearer Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Hey guys, I'm attending a tourney soon and would like to ask for some suggestions for a competitive 1k points list. I would really like to include sequitors since I love the Models and their rules. Thanks in advance for Your help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The World Tree Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 1 hour ago, frostfire said: I am pretty much looking forward to some point drop on the Vanguard Chamber to make the big Vanguard battlion viable. It will certainly become super strong then.(Maybe a good way to sell stocked vanguard models for GW.) Contrary to popular belief, GW doesn't work quite as simply as this. Not to mention points costs changes are not always the best way to address balance. Vanguard has never been remarkable, except Longstrikes. In AOS1 Hunters at least had the reliability of deployment but now... they can get closer but to what end? They are really punished for their middle-ground nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, The World Tree said: Contrary to popular belief, GW doesn't work quite as simply as this. Not to mention points costs changes are not always the best way to address balance. Vanguard has never been remarkable, except Longstrikes. In AOS1 Hunters at least had the reliability of deployment but now... they can get closer but to what end? They are really punished for their middle-ground nature. Im only hoping for points reductions on judicators, longstrikes, dracoths and dracolines and celestant prime. There is no way those units should cost that much when you look at the b*llsh*t OP FEC and Skaven points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerOfSigmar Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Well, from some not very reliable sources, the 19 GHB will debuff the longstrike somehow... By the way, anyone have an idea how to use the hunter well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 28 minutes ago, HammerOfSigmar said: Well, from some not very reliable sources, the 19 GHB will debuff the longstrike somehow... By the way, anyone have an idea how to use the hunter well? whered you hear this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerOfSigmar Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 24 minutes ago, jhamslam said: whered you hear this? a friend live in UK, he says he knows someone working for GW, I am not sure whether this is true or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Just now, HammerOfSigmar said: a friend live in UK, he says he knows someone working for GW, I am not sure whether this is true or not. might change / debuff their max unit size to six or something. if they increase the points on SCE even further i might have to stop playing the faction and go throw milkshakes at GW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requizen Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, HammerOfSigmar said: a friend live in UK, he says he knows someone working for GW, I am not sure whether this is true or not. A guy who knows a guy who is nebulously working for GW has never been a reliable source. Nerfing Longstrikes would be stupid. They're literally only viable in Anvils and even then nowhere near as outrageous as other things in the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feraxil Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, jhamslam said: go throw milkshakes at GW HA! I see what you did there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerOfSigmar Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Requizen said: A guy who knows a guy who is nebulously working for GW has never been a reliable source. Nerfing Longstrikes would be stupid. They're literally only viable in Anvils and even then nowhere near as outrageous as other things in the game. Well, I actually mention that "from not very reliable source" at the beginning😂 Since part of his previous "leaked" message come true, so maybe he really have some special way to get the information ahead. Edited May 24, 2019 by HammerOfSigmar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, HammerOfSigmar said: Well, from some not very reliable sources, the 19 GHB will debuff the longstrike somehow... By the way, anyone have an idea how to use the hunter well? I have heard this from some tournament players. Oddly enough it's always the players running the "meta" armies and claim that Stormcast aren't good enough to reach the top tables. When their terrorgheists, witch aelves, and eels get shot off the table they suddenly know somebody working at GW that claims Longstrikes are too expensive and will be nerfed... Funny how that works 🤣 Edited May 24, 2019 by PJetski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerOfSigmar Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 (edited) To be honest, as a SCE player, I hope that "leaked" info I heard is just nonsense. I hope longstrike have small points drop or at least keep the current level. I currently own 6, if its point doesn't change in the GHB19, I plan to buy extra 3-6 longstrike. Edited May 24, 2019 by HammerOfSigmar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heaven_lord Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Hey, do you think I can build a competitive anvilstrike list with those models ? Knight Azyros 2 Lord Relictor Knight Venator Lord Aquilor Lord Castellant and gryph hound Knight Incantor 10 judicators 5 liberators 5 Hunters 10 Evocators 9 Longstrike 6 Aetherwings And if not possible, which models should I buy? Thanks ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Heaven_lord said: Hey, do you think I can build a competitive anvilstrike list with those models ? Knight Azyros Lord Relictor Knight Incantor 10 Evocators 9 Longstrike 6 Aetherwings And if not possible, which models should I buy? Thanks ! You've got the core of the list right there, seems like you're on the right track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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