HammerOfSigmar Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, CareBear said: I forget. Is he the one with the banner? Yes. Knight vexillor, the guy in the picture below. It can bring either the banner or the meteoric standard. Edited February 8, 2019 by HammerOfSigmar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requizen Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Vexillor is perhaps not needed, but if you're going big on drop in and charge, 120 points to make it even more reliable is not a big investment. The Pennant of the Stormbringer also lets you do other shenanigans, like start a unit of Sequitors on the table to hold the line, then buff them up and teleport them forward to join the big charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schwabbele Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Kinda found a color scheme I like for the Draco, also lots of opportunities to practice highlighting on the tiny scales 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marzillius Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 I've been thinking about something I've been unsure about. What do you people usually do with the free Gryph-Hound you get when you take a Lord-Castellant? I've not found ways to make it useful yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy0sb Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 12 minutes ago, schwabbele said: Kinda found a color scheme I like for the Draco, also lots of opportunities to practice highlighting on the tiny scales That looks great! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schwabbele Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 44 minutes ago, Marzillius said: I've been thinking about something I've been unsure about. What do you people usually do with the free Gryph-Hound you get when you take a Lord-Castellant? I've not found ways to make it useful yet. If I don't forget about him, I keep him close by the LC and usually then forget about him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nos Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 On 2/8/2019 at 11:58 AM, XReN said: I'm pretty sure that using a scroll eats one unbind attempt You’re right there! Sorry for misinformation. I’ve never actually had to try and dispel 3 things with Incantor alone due to having 3 other Wizards on the table usually so it’s never come up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nos Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 55 minutes ago, Marzillius said: I've been thinking about something I've been unsure about. What do you people usually do with the free Gryph-Hound you get when you take a Lord-Castellant? I've not found ways to make it useful yet. If there’s not any shooting units to benefit from its cry/no risk of reserves then usually put him to whichever objective I worry about being most closely contested to provide the extra body 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledha Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Marzillius said: I've been thinking about something I've been unsure about. What do you people usually do with the free Gryph-Hound you get when you take a Lord-Castellant? I've not found ways to make it useful yet. area denial : asingle 40mm base create a area of interdiction of 8" your opponent can't cross except if he fly or charge. Just run 3" in front og a big blob and look it having to take the other way around because of your single gryph-hound. If he charge your gryph hound, he will have to attack it first. If he doesnt.. the gryph-hound can attack, retreat in front of the ennemy unit but outside its reach. Rince and repeat. Or charge the edge of a blob while another big unit charge somewhere else, making pile-in more difficult. It make another very big area denial against deepstrike. Very cool in games where you don't have to "waste" a unit staying behind to prevent deepstrike in your a**. In low-points game, he is very useful for his big move+charge+move after attack. He can quickly flank the ennemy army, and your opponent may not always have enough units to use one to chase your gryph hound. And if he dedicate one to this, it's still a whole unit who had to go in the outsides of the board to chase a free model. If your opponent don't chase the gryph hound, he can grab or contest an objective. His single base also mean that few models can attack him, so his survival is better than it look. And, of course, near a gunline, he can scare some deepstrikes. Of course, against shooting, he is usually shot off before doing anything good. But against full melee army, he can be a real pain. I ended up 5th of a 1000 pts tournament with a weak list (no sacrosanct, only liberators, protectors, a castellant and a veritant) thanks only to the two gryph hound who are an enormous pain to deal with. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostfire Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Any suggestion against the incoming skaventide？ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozly Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Is there a good way to give sequitors or anything a mortal wound save minus the 6 up for hammers of sigmar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaleydoscope Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Bozly said: Is there a good way to give sequitors or anything a mortal wound save minus the 6 up for hammers of sigmar? Allied High Elf Archmage (100 points) or a collegiate arcane luminark of hysh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 8 hours ago, Kaleydoscope said: Allied High Elf Archmage (100 points) He has a handy little +1 to unbind too. I think he could be cool in a Staunch + Castellant / "impregnable testudo" type list, but I wonder how the maths of Elemental Shield saves compares with just having 100pts more guys running around... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalesOfSigmar Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Wondering what people thought of this list. Considering running it in a couple of weeks time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naprapaten Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Are you going with a stormhost or SD? I'd consider swapping incantor for gavriel and the judicators for 5 libs so that you can get a Castellant in aswell. This swap is for hammers stormhost ofc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nos Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) On 2/9/2019 at 3:24 PM, ledha said: area denial : asingle 40mm base create a area of interdiction of 8" your opponent can't cross except if he fly or charge. Just run 3" in front og a big blob and look it having to take the other way around because of your single gryph-hound. If he charge your gryph hound, he will have to attack it first. If he doesnt.. the gryph-hound can attack, retreat in front of the ennemy unit but outside its reach. Rince and repeat. Or charge the edge of a blob while another big unit charge somewhere else, making pile-in more difficult. It make another very big area denial against deepstrike. Very cool in games where you don't have to "waste" a unit staying behind to prevent deepstrike in your a**. In low-points game, he is very useful for his big move+charge+move after attack. He can quickly flank the ennemy army, and your opponent may not always have enough units to use one to chase your gryph hound. And if he dedicate one to this, it's still a whole unit who had to go in the outsides of the board to chase a free model. If your opponent don't chase the gryph hound, he can grab or contest an objective. His single base also mean that few models can attack him, so his survival is better than it look. And, of course, near a gunline, he can scare some deepstrikes. Of course, against shooting, he is usually shot off before doing anything good. But against full melee army, he can be a real pain. I ended up 5th of a 1000 pts tournament with a weak list (no sacrosanct, only liberators, protectors, a castellant and a veritant) thanks only to the two gryph hound who are an enormous pain to deal with. I did the Block a unit thing with it once but never again. The idea that a single dog bird can block advancing mass of 80 skeletons etc is clearly an unintended accident of the rules. Dont get me wrong it’s in the rules and everything and anything goes in tournaments but in the context of friendly matched play it’s utter cheese. Edited February 10, 2019 by Nos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledha Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Nos said: I did the Block a unit thing with it once but never again. The idea that a single dog bird can block advancing mass of 80 skeletons etc is clearly an unintended accident of the rules. Dont get me wrong it’s in the rules and everything and anything goes in tournaments but in the context of friendly matched play it’s utter cheese. That's how the interdiction area of 3" work. It make lone characters and small units very good to block massive units, and make massive units less mobile and more vulnerable to that sort of manoeuvers. It's the entire purpose of skirmishing units like skinks, freeguild's archers or aertherwing. If your opponent bring ton of big blocks of unit but don't have any plan against those 5/10 models units, then he messed up Edited February 10, 2019 by ledha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nos Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, ledha said: That's how the interdiction area of 3" work. It make lone characters and small units very good to block massive units, and make massive units less mobile and more vulnerable to that sort of manoeuvers. It's the entire purpose of skirmishing units like skinks, freeguild's archers or aertherwing. If your opponent bring ton of big blocks of unit but don't have any plan against those 5/10 models units, then he messed up I understand how it works, as I stated above. But the idea of one dude/less than gigantic creature somehow stopping a regiment without the aid of magical assistance is ludicrous. I'm supposed to believe that 50+ of something are honestly going to prevaricate over how to get past one guy rather than just running him over? True on the battlefield a massive regiment is unwieldy etc but that's because it has to co-ordinate movement on a colossal scale, and even then that only goes so far because that's based off historical example, there's no lore based reason why non-humans with supernatural capacity for war or magically animated beings who can't think, get confused, have no freedom of will etc should find maneuvering difficult . But all that aside, there's nothing remotely complicated about a horde walking in a straight line over or past one man/woman/dog/bird etc. And there's literally no way you can explain how a Gryph Hound halts 80 skeletons or 80 anything unless they all chase it like they're in Scooby do, and why would they do that. The press of big units is recognised in how their attacks, to hit/wound etc is modelled, so the idea that they somehow lose that momentum and power when faced with literally one of a human-sized something just because they're walking feels pretty dumb. I disagree that it stops horde armies from taking big units as well, because the armies that have horde options don't need their hordes to move, they can sit on objectives, take up a massive footprint to mess up alpha striking, while still having access to units that allow them to take objectives or tabletop you regardless. Edited February 10, 2019 by Nos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledha Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Nos said: I understand how it works, as I stated above. But the idea of one dude/less than gigantic creature somehow stopping a regiment without the aid of magical assistance is ludicrous. I'm supposed to believe that 50+ of something are honestly going to prevaricate over how to get past one guy rather than just running him over? It's a game, not a balanced simulation of warfare. Why the archers would be able to fire at a monster wrecking them ? Why aren't the boat immune to melee attacks ? Why does a 20-tons mawkrusha can't smash trough a sylvaneth forest and go where he want ? How the hell a stardrake can eat a kurnoth hunter ? Why does the stormcast teleport religiously far away from their opponent ? For the same reason that a handful of models can halt the advance of bigger regiments. It doesn't make sense but we shouldn't care. Plus, every model represent many more soldiers "in reality", and history is full of big armies being bog down by much smaller band of soldiers. This being "realistic" or whatever is absolutely not important or even meaningful here anyway. And i don't say it stop people from taking hordes, it just give a flaw to those to not make the decision of spamming hordes a no-brainer. Edited February 10, 2019 by ledha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nos Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ledha said: It's a game, not a balanced simulation of warfare. Why the archers would be able to fire at a monster wrecking them ? Why aren't the boat immune to melee attacks ? Why does a 20-tons mawkrusha can't smash trough a sylvaneth forest and go where he want ? How the hell a stardrake can eat a kurnoth hunter ? For the same reason that a handful of models can halt the advance of bigger regiments. This being "realistic" or whatever is absolutely not important or even meaningful here. In that case why all the realism elsewhere? Why doesen't everything fly, why can't people run forever, why can't I pile in 17" away, why aren't weapons made of cheese, why can't a skeleton eat a Mangler Squig ? Fun game this. It's a simulation and 90% of it's rules follow that basis. It's quite easy to imagine a unit of archers having a component firing in from the back ranks while the front engage the charge. The Mawkrusha can fly so he basically can go where he wants. A stardrake can eat a Kurnoth hunter by biting off it's head, I don't think it literally means it's gobbles it up like Pinnochio with the Whale, it's clearly intended to imply that the Stardrake, having huge powerful jaws, can end the life of something with ease, ditto the Dracoth rule. It's very easy to imagine a unit engaging with a boat skimming over the battlefield with it's crew hanging off the gunwwhales etc. Not only is it easy to imagine these things, it's a huge part of the fun and the spectacle of it all, it's an important bridge between the rules and the narrative of what's going on. Your turn, how does a gryphhound impede 80 skeletons? Edited February 10, 2019 by Nos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Williams Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 On the topic of a gryph hound stopping a unit for a turn, I see nothing wrong with it, but further to this, I don't even see that it would work like your saying except in the form of deep striking. Whenever I've had small units on the field and I'm going up against a large unit that's assaulting me, they typically assault straight past me, touching my few models with however many they feel is necessary to kill that model while still taking the fight on past it. If anything that lone gryph hound will actually help opponents engage with you faster, while doing nothing to provide any sort of attack strength in the process. In your hypothetical scenario, 40 skeletons will charge the gryph hound, and the majority of them will flow right on past him into the units behind him, and behave exactly like your imagined "wade past the lone guy". There's nothing a single model can do to stop an opponent from leap frogging past it and going for another model behind it. And in fact, the charge rules are quite a bit more favorable to the opponent with the large unit than the one with the small unit. Gryph hounds have poor saves and generally will just die in a puff of smoke the first time they engage anything. They aren't good units, and you're talking about them like they break the game or something. If I saw my opponent stick a gryph hound out in front of his army expecting that to slow me down or protect his army in any way, shape, or form, I'd probably just laugh. Single gryph hounds aren't "screens" - they don't have a big enough footprint for that, and I'd argue that the larger packs are some of the worst models in our arsenal that you could use as a screen, in general. They are very expensive, and have pretty low survive ability unless they go first, and that's only because they can retreat, which won't win you any objectives. They are a nuissance/harrassment unit AT BEST. Stop trying to make out like they are some form of cheese. I don't even know where you're getting that idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requizen Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 5-0 with Anvilstrike this weekend. Swapped the Castellant for Incantor and while the Dispel isn't always necessary, the games where it's clutch are very noteworthy. I didn't miss the save as much as the Gryph Hound, missed that extra free model to zone and hold objectives. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freejack02 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 On 2/9/2019 at 11:00 PM, Roark said: He has a handy little +1 to unbind too. I think he could be cool in a Staunch + Castellant / "impregnable testudo" type list, but I wonder how the maths of Elemental Shield saves compares with just having 100pts more guys running around... Interesting question, I guess barring any instant kill mechanics (like Stardrake bite or Hand of Dust) it makes all units in the bubble 16.67% more survivable... so it depends on what you have in the area and how much you can afford to lose the extra offense/objective control of those 100 points of units. There's probably not a solid math answer, but lists that use a core unit or two that can remain within the 18" area would probably benefit more than the 100 points would. Anvils shooting lists might be the exception, as I don't think you want your Longstrikes taking any fire - and they're so fragile I'm not sure how much a 6+ ignore is going to do... I think I'd rather have the extra units. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naprapaten Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Requizen said: 5-0 with Anvilstrike this weekend. Swapped the Castellant for Incantor and while the Dispel isn't always necessary, the games where it's clutch are very noteworthy. I didn't miss the save as much as the Gryph Hound, missed that extra free model to zone and hold objectives. What list are you playing as anvils? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schwabbele Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 (edited) Yaay Stardrake player made Nr2 🤗 at LVO, that is so awesome 💗 The other Sce had kinda a hard draw with his list and total commiment 😂 Brace for impact- nerf sce shouting persons Incoming 😬 Edited February 11, 2019 by schwabbele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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