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AoS 2 - Stormcast Eternals Discussion

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8 minutes ago, scrubyandwells said:

Thanks for the thoughts! Appreciated your non-standard list + excellent write up on the tournament. 

Slowly getting SCE together as a second army. Have been thinking about 2x10 Eternal Guard as screens (not a fan of Skink models). EG seem like a reasonable buy at 70, but Aetherwings are interesting at 20 less + Scions. No Watchful Guardians synergy, though, since theming around Sacrosanct.

Just going for low-model Sacrosanct 2K + allies w/ fave models that could at least pull 3-2 at events.

Presently stuck on Prime (seems inefficient but fave SCE model), Arcanum (on foot or Gryph), Castellant, Azyros, 1x10 Seq, 2x5 Seq, 1x6 or 2x3 Kittycators, and 2x10 Eternal Guard.

Missing: Non-Scions teleport e.g. Vexillor or Relictor, and ranged damage.

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42 minutes ago, Kramer said:

Question peeps, 

I'm building some stormcast for small games and skirmish. So I'm going to convert the bad-ass female Sequitor to a foot mounted hero. But I haven't played them yet. So I have no idea which hero? Castelant? Celestand? Knight Questor maybe?

So what would you advice as a cool hero for skirmish? Or maybe even conversion tips.

I won 1st place at my local GW birthday skirmish event last year with this list:

Lord-Celestant

Lord-Relisctor

Liberator Prime (armed with Grandammer)

Retributor Prime (armed with the Lighning Hammer)

This was made to dish out a lot of mortal wounds, and the two heroes where really hard to kill (they both have 5 wounds and a 3+ save, on top of the healing that the Lord-Relictor can do).

But with the new edition this is really obsolete, so i suggest some variation, something like this would be really strong:

Allegiance: Order
Lord-Relictor (20)
- General
Sequitor Prime (5)
- Tempest Blades and Soulshields and Redemption Cache

Sequitor (5)
- Stormsmite Greatmace
Evocator Prime (8)
- 1x Grandstaves
Evocator (8)
- 1x Tempest Blade and Stormstave
Liberator Prime (4)
- Grandhammers

Total: 50 / 50
Wounds: 17

I think that the new units (Sequitors and Evocators) really shine in skirmish, they do a lot of attacks, have the potential to inflict mortal wound and have the resilience of Stormcasts.

If you prefer you could ditch a Sequitor and the Liberator Prime in favour of a Judicator Prime armed with a Shockbolt Bow.

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2 hours ago, Bradipo322 said:

I won 1st place at my local GW birthday skirmish event last year with this list:

Lord-Celestant

Lord-Relisctor

Liberator Prime (armed with Grandammer)

Retributor Prime (armed with the Lighning Hammer)

This was made to dish out a lot of mortal wounds, and the two heroes where really hard to kill (they both have 5 wounds and a 3+ save, on top of the healing that the Lord-Relictor can do).

But with the new edition this is really obsolete, so i suggest some variation, something like this would be really strong:

Allegiance: Order
Lord-Relictor (20)
- General
Sequitor Prime (5)
- Tempest Blades and Soulshields and Redemption Cache

Sequitor (5)
- Stormsmite Greatmace
Evocator Prime (8)
- 1x Grandstaves
Evocator (8)
- 1x Tempest Blade and Stormstave
Liberator Prime (4)
- Grandhammers

Total: 50 / 50
Wounds: 17

I think that the new units (Sequitors and Evocators) really shine in skirmish, they do a lot of attacks, have the potential to inflict mortal wound and have the resilience of Stormcasts.

If you prefer you could ditch a Sequitor and the Liberator Prime in favour of a Judicator Prime armed with a Shockbolt Bow.

Oh that sounds really good! Congrats, Creating a Relictor from the model doesn't really spark the imagination just yet. I'l have look through the bit box tonight. But as a list it would be amazingly strong! 

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Why wouldn't you just take Incantor in Skirmish? He is broken if your playing rules as written since his mortal wound output in Skirmish is absurd both spell and flask-wise.

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On 12/7/2018 at 2:48 PM, amysrevenge said:

Celestant-Prime is definitely fun to put on the table (I do one in my army too).

Depending on how hefty the conversion is, I might consider dropping one Incantor and adding 5 more Sequitors.

2 Incantors are necessary for the battalion actually

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1 hour ago, Skasian said:

Why wouldn't you just take Incantor in Skirmish? He is broken if your playing rules as written since his mortal wound output in Skirmish is absurd both spell and flask-wise.

That's why.

It's a game to me, should be fun for me and my opponent. (also if at my spot, any weird rules like that will be adressed before hand, so no worries :D )

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3 hours ago, Skasian said:

Why wouldn't you just take Incantor in Skirmish? He is broken if your playing rules as written since his mortal wound output in Skirmish is absurd both spell and flask-wise.

Because it costs 28 points, and also you have to be in range and to cast a 7+ spell.

The Lord-Relictor is much more versatile at 20 points.

Also in skirmish you'll most likely will want to kill one big target rather than various small ones (kill the general and the warband will crumble).

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4 hours ago, Kramer said:

Oh that sounds really good! Congrats, Creating a Relictor from the model doesn't really spark the imagination just yet. I'l have look through the bit box tonight. But as a list it would be amazingly strong! 

Try to take a look at the Flagellants sprue, you'll surerly find some useful pieces.

And if you need some ispiration this is my converted Sequitor Prime with Stormsmite Greatmace.

IMG_20181209_193234_248.jpg

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1 hour ago, Bradipo322 said:

Try to take a look at the Flagellants sprue, you'll surerly find some useful pieces.

And if you need some ispiration this is my converted Sequitor Prime with Stormsmite Greatmace.

IMG_20181209_193234_248.jpg

Great work! You really made the pose work and seem natural. Also very good to see the pose still works without the shield as it would limit my options (to convert it to a hero) to questor or a Sureheart conversion. 

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I saw on Twitter a while back some mentions of Stardrake conversions.  Some are using the Carnosaur.  Can anyone point me in the right direction?

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12 hours ago, Bradipo322 said:

And if you need some ispiration this is my converted Sequitor Prime with Stormsmite Greatmace.

IMG_20181209_193234_248.jpg

Really nice conversion
I think I'm stealing that, since I'll have 2 of this hawt ladies )
 

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I'm trying my damnedest to make the Lord Celestant on Dracoth work. Anyone have any tips? He just seems to die so easily and he himself dishes out so little. 

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1 hour ago, Black Blade said:

I'm trying my damnedest to make the Lord Celestant on Dracoth work. Anyone have any tips? He just seems to die so easily and he himself dishes out so little. 

Well, he is kinda meh

I see him as objective sitter at best, with staunch defender, ignax's scales and mount trait to reduce multiple damage attacks he is quite tanky
Giving him more attacks and Lightning Hammer to pin enemy heavy hitters as well as taking him as Knights Excelsior general with -3 rend artifact on top might be fun. Also loremaster would synergise with him very well

What have you tried?

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In smaller games the Celestant on Dracoth is a beast, with shield and cover/staunch defender/castellant lantern he's really hard to shift. Thanks to his move he's not that easy to avoid. But as games grow there are more tools to deal with him, too.

The problem with him imo is the opportunity cost. A Lord Arcanum on Gryph is not quite as tanky and deals not quite as much damage but gets to cast a spell, has cycle of the storm and soulflasks, a ton of mobility in windrunner, and, maybe most importantly, unlocks sequitors as troops. Adding two of those expensive mounted lords hurts the model count of our already elite army. (While i'm saying this i'm toying with a double Arcanum list 😂)

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I've dipped in and out of this thread lots (not a Stormcast player though my son has 2000 pts of them accumulated over box sets etc), but is there a mathematical conclusion/consensus to taking a Lord-Ordinator with only two Ballista?

I played a few games with my boy and the Lord-Ordinator buffs were appreciated. However, I'm making a "mixed Order pirate aelfy list" that currently has me deciding between Tenebrael Shard + Sword of Judgment and a second Sorceress, vs a converted Lord-Ordinator (Fleetmaster on a 40mm base with a telescope and measuring implements) and Shadowblade Assassin. Both I think suit the list, but if the Lord-Ordinator won't add the value to the two Ballista I'll take, the Shard and a 2nd Sorceress might give me more mileage/cause less issues with counts-as. 

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4 minutes ago, syph0n said:

I've dipped in and out of this thread lots (not a Stormcast player though my son has 2000 pts of them accumulated over box sets etc), but is there a mathematical conclusion/consensus to taking a Lord-Ordinator with only two Ballista?

I played a few games with my boy and the Lord-Ordinator buffs were appreciated. However, I'm making a "mixed Order pirate aelfy list" that currently has me deciding between Tenebrael Shard + Sword of Judgment and a second Sorceress, vs a converted Lord-Ordinator (Fleetmaster on a 40mm base with a telescope and measuring implements) and Shadowblade Assassin. Both I think suit the list, but if the Lord-Ordinator won't add the value to the two Ballista I'll take, the Shard and a 2nd Sorceress might give me more mileage/cause less issues with counts-as. 

I've read countless times on this forum.

3 Ballista > 2 Ballista + Ordinator

4 Ballista ~= 3 Ballista + Ordinator (depending on situation)

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22 minutes ago, syph0n said:

I've dipped in and out of this thread lots (not a Stormcast player though my son has 2000 pts of them accumulated over box sets etc), but is there a mathematical conclusion/consensus to taking a Lord-Ordinator with only two Ballista?

I played a few games with my boy and the Lord-Ordinator buffs were appreciated. However, I'm making a "mixed Order pirate aelfy list" that currently has me deciding between Tenebrael Shard + Sword of Judgment and a second Sorceress, vs a converted Lord-Ordinator (Fleetmaster on a 40mm base with a telescope and measuring implements) and Shadowblade Assassin. Both I think suit the list, but if the Lord-Ordinator won't add the value to the two Ballista I'll take, the Shard and a 2nd Sorceress might give me more mileage/cause less issues with counts-as. 

Unless you need to shoot down something like cauldron of blood (in which case you might go 4 ballista in the first place) or some other many-wounded model with hit modifiers you don't take ordinator, also without scions of the storm you may not be in range for multishot first turn so ordinator being pretty much useless for turn one and sub-optimal turn two if opponent does not give you any important units. So no to ordinator it is

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My friend is new to SCE. He is looking for some advice on what to buy after the Soul Wars box, and what 2k list he should go after.
Can anyone help me out :)

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If you have a full collection available, you're better off with 3 ballista than 2 ballista + Lordinator.  If you are looking at playing with models you already own, then 2 ballista + Lordinator is fine.

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New to AOS and trying to build a 2k list before buying any models. Any help would be much appreciated :)

 

Leaders

Lord  Arcanum (General)

Vandus Hammerhand

Gavriel Sureheart

Lord Relictor

Battline

Sequitors (5)

Sequitors (5)

Sequitors (10)

Elite

Evocators (10)

Fulimators (2)

Artillery

Cellestar  Ballista (2)

 

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That list is very low on the model count, you will be on the backfoot in any objective based game. Vandus is considered overpriced by many, you might wanna replace him with, say, a Knight Heraldor (works wonders with Fulminators as they need to charge to do serious damage) and use the remaining points to get some more bodies, more Sequitors or Aetherwings for example. Is the Lord Arcanum on foot? Because i'd highly recommend a gryphcharger if you don't intend to bring endless spells along.

Also note that this list will not make many friends in casual games.

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Any suggestions for an army list against a fellow stormcast army ? 

Havent played yet and I am lost as what is Better to use :( 

(I have all models) 

 

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6 hours ago, Lucur said:

That list is very low on the model count, you will be on the backfoot in any objective based game. Vandus is considered overpriced by many, you might wanna replace him with, say, a Knight Heraldor (works wonders with Fulminators as they need to charge to do serious damage) and use the remaining points to get some more bodies, more Sequitors or Aetherwings for example. Is the Lord Arcanum on foot? Because i'd highly recommend a gryphcharger if you don't intend to bring endless spells along.

Also note that this list will not make many friends in casual games.

Thanks for the reply :) 

So this is what you would recommend?

leaders

Lord Arcanium - Gryph Charger

Gavriel

lord Relictor

knight Heraldor 

Battleline

Sequitors (5)

Sequitors (5)

Sequitors (5)

Sequitors (5)

Elite

Evocators (10)

Fulminators (2)

Artillery

Cellestar Ballista (2)

 

That’s 1860 just with the units, no Spells or Battalions etc. 

 

 

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On 12/9/2018 at 10:13 PM, scrubyandwells said:

That's the craziest damn list I've seen in a while. Shaun is a madman.

How well do you think Aetherwings do as screens in general? 

Listen to the show tyler ;),  i cover off mine and Marks match. The list works well in the 7 games i have played with it i have only lost the 1 which was at Masters. No one takes range and every army has critical heroes/monsters that that they need alive  for there army to work.  It does have some poor match ups however and i'm not sure if ill keep the same sort of idea for for my next event CANCON. 

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On 12/10/2018 at 5:05 AM, XReN said:

Well, he is kinda meh

I see him as objective sitter at best, with staunch defender, ignax's scales and mount trait to reduce multiple damage attacks he is quite tanky
Giving him more attacks and Lightning Hammer to pin enemy heavy hitters as well as taking him as Knights Excelsior general with -3 rend artifact on top might be fun. Also loremaster would synergise with him very well

What have you tried?

I agree I would say  he is kinda meh (something I would say is typical of a lot of  first release stormcast).  Running him as Vindicators has seen more success for me, sometimes with -3 rend artifact etc. I havent tried ignax scales on him but thats probably the final thing I have yet to try. His command ability would be good if you actually had to take battleshock tests regularly. I think he would be a lot better with one more wound and one more attack on his weapon.

On 12/10/2018 at 6:39 AM, Lucur said:

In smaller games the Celestant on Dracoth is a beast, with shield and cover/staunch defender/castellant lantern he's really hard to shift. Thanks to his move he's not that easy to avoid. But as games grow there are more tools to deal with him, too.

The problem with him imo is the opportunity cost. A Lord Arcanum on Gryph is not quite as tanky and deals not quite as much damage but gets to cast a spell, has cycle of the storm and soulflasks, a ton of mobility in windrunner, and, maybe most importantly, unlocks sequitors as troops. Adding two of those expensive mounted lords hurts the model count of our already elite army. (While i'm saying this i'm toying with a double Arcanum list 😂)

Yeah he is better at smaller games but most games are 2k. You are right there are more tools to deal with him and it's usually a lot of mortal wounds coming his way. 

As stormcast you get one artifact and one only most of the time. So I've always tried to take different artifacts to trigger the thunder hammer but then he gets mortal wounded to death. So I will try ignax scales and barring any good results Im dropping him until his condition changes in points or rules.

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