RocketMan Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 hour ago, AdamR said: Nice models! The extra attacks are great. The rerolling to charge is great, as is the extra damage. The synergy with the Arcanum on Dracoline is great. What's not great is having only 60% of the MW output for 50% more points! fair enough ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) I think if I was going to do Dracolines, I'd go big - unit of 9 with Arcanum on Dracoline, Castellant and Heraldor to buff and just run at the enemy screaming for a T1 charge! EDIT Something like this Allegiance: Stormcast EternalsLeadersLord-Arcanum on Celestial Dracoline (240)- General- Trait: Staunch Defender - Spell: Azyrite Halo- Mount Trait: Pride LeaderKnight-Heraldor (100)Lord-Castellant (100)Battleline20 x Sequitors (400)- Tempest Blades and Soulshields- 9x Stormsmite Greatmaces5 x Judicators (160)- Skybolt Bows- 1x Shockbolt Bows5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammer & Shield- 1x GrandhammersUnits9 x Evocators on Dracolines (900)- 6x Grandstaves- Lore of Invigoration: Celestial BladesTotal: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 123 Add artefact of choice. Edited November 14, 2018 by AdamR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nos Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, AdamR said: I think if I was going to do Dracolines, I'd go big - unit of 9 with Arcanum on Dracoline, Castellant and Heraldor to buff and just run at the enemy screaming for a T1 charge! EDIT Something like this Allegiance: Stormcast EternalsLeadersLord-Arcanum on Celestial Dracoline (240)- General- Trait: Staunch Defender - Spell: Azyrite Halo- Mount Trait: Pride LeaderKnight-Heraldor (100)Lord-Castellant (100)Battleline20 x Sequitors (400)- Tempest Blades and Soulshields- 9x Stormsmite Greatmaces5 x Judicators (160)- Skybolt Bows- 1x Shockbolt Bows5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammer & Shield- 1x GrandhammersUnits9 x Evocators on Dracolines (900)- 6x Grandstaves- Lore of Invigoration: Celestial BladesTotal: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 123 Add artefact of choice. With a footprint that large your opponent would have to do something seriously weird to let them all, or even a majority, get into combat with something that would make sens. And you're paying 500 more points for less Grand Staves and MW's to get involved than 10 Evocators who with Scions are already pretty mobile and can easily be buffed to become more so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerOfSigmar Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Well, I think SCE not going with Hammer of Sigmar(Graviel's buff specifically) have a hard time to charge the 9" after DS into the battlefield. It is reasonable to try the evocators on Dracolines, but maybe a squad of 6 rather 9? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 16 minutes ago, Nos said: With a footprint that large your opponent would have to do something seriously weird to let them all, or even a majority, get into combat with something that would make sens. And you're paying 500 more points for less Grand Staves and MW's to get involved than 10 Evocators who with Scions are already pretty mobile and can easily be buffed to become more so. If you look back a page you'll see my actual list, which does in fact feature 10 Evocators... This is purely hypothetical. But I disagree about not getting everything in. Hordes are popular, big monsters are popular. I bet your one of those players that says 20 sequitors can't fight too aintcha! :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucur Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) I think 9 is overkill on multiple levels, 6 or 3 should be good though. Evocators in general are good at getting in between multiple units, especially a unit and their support hero, slaughter the unit with attacks, zap the character with mortal wounds. The dracolines make this even more worthwhile with -1 bravery (add terrifying aspect) and a LA who can pop flasks for extra mw, in a 3" radius. If you want a big unit for pure damage, go Evocators on foot, the Dracoline's role in my mind is to punish cuddly lord combos. Sidenote: The Dracolines are more likely to benefit from healing by Castellant and LAGC, as well as being cycled back to life due to larger amount of wounds. Edited November 14, 2018 by Lucur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 People ask about Dracolines a lot, so instead of rewriting my thoughts every time I've decided to write a blog post about it https://shiftingobjectives.blogspot.com/2018/11/how-to-make-dracolines-great.html 9 is definitely overkill... you wont have enough board control and you wont have anything to deal with screens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nos Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, AdamR said: I think if I was going to do Dracolines, I'd go big - unit of 9 with Arcanum on Dracoline, Castellant and Heraldor to buff and just run at the enemy screaming for a T1 charge! EDIT Something like this Allegiance: Stormcast EternalsLeadersLord-Arcanum on Celestial Dracoline (240)- General- Trait: Staunch Defender - Spell: Azyrite Halo- Mount Trait: Pride LeaderKnight-Heraldor (100)Lord-Castellant (100)Battleline20 x Sequitors (400)- Tempest Blades and Soulshields- 9x Stormsmite Greatmaces5 x Judicators (160)- Skybolt Bows- 1x Shockbolt Bows5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammer & Shield- 1x GrandhammersUnits9 x Evocators on Dracolines (900)- 6x Grandstaves- Lore of Invigoration: Celestial BladesTotal: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 123 Add artefact of choice. With a footprint that large your opponent would have to do something seriously weird to let them all, or even a majority, get into combat with something that would make sens. And you're paying 500 more points for less Grand Staves and MW's to get involved than 10 Evocators who with Scions are already pretty mobile and can easily be buffed to become more so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 3 hours ago, RocketMan said: i'm trying to build a 1750 pts list with drake+castellan+heraldor ...i'm not sure if is better to add arcanum to get sequitors bl or going with a normal mage, 3x5 libs and put some dracolines ... 1750 no realms: Arcanum on gryffcharger General stanuch def stardrake heraldor castellan 10 sequitor 2x5 libs 310pts left dracoline? to put some more pressions? maybe in the sky realms... or 3 ballista ? i know without the ordinator they are worst at 5+ . or i can go up to 20 sequitors but then i'll have spare 150 pts to do what ?just one ballista won't make any sense no other suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerOfSigmar Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, RocketMan said: no other suggestions? Ballista is good stuff, choose rapid shooting if in range even if they are 5+ to hit, they do more damage in average than the single shoot through math calculation. You can try to bring 3 and use the points left to bring something like a unit of skinks to help capture points or preventing DS. Just personal suggestion from a new SCE. Edited November 14, 2018 by HammerOfSigmar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, RocketMan said: no other suggestions? How about Allegiance: Stormcast EternalsMortal Realm: AqshyLeadersLord-Celestant On Stardrake (560)- General- Celestine Hammer- Trait: Staunch Defender - Artefact: Ignax's Scales - Mount Trait: Storm-wingedKnight-Incantor (140)- Spell: Azyrite HaloLord-Castellant (100)Knight-Heraldor (100)Battleline10 x Liberators (200)- Warhammer & Shield- 2x Grandhammers5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammer & Shield- 1x Grandhammers5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammer & Shield- 1x GrandhammersUnits10 x Evocators (400)- 5x Grandstaves- Lore of Invigoration: Speed of LightningEndless SpellsDais Arcanum (40)Total: 1740 / 1750Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 102 Edited November 14, 2018 by AdamR swapped a spell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, HammerOfSigmar said: Ballista is good stuff, choose rapid shooting if in range even if they are 5+ to hit, they do more damage in average than the single shoot through math calculation. You can try to bring 3 and use the points left to bring something like a unit of skinks to help capture points or preventing DS. Just personal suggestion from a new SCE. i just own sce!3 ballista are already 300pts, no space for other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nos Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, AdamR said: If you look back a page you'll see my actual list, which does in fact feature 10 Evocators... This is purely hypothetical. But I disagree about not getting everything in. Hordes are popular, big monsters are popular. I bet your one of those players that says 20 sequitors can't fight too aintcha! 😛 I was responding to the list I was quoting weirdly enough aye. Hordes don't tend to cost half an army in points values and can be buffed with summons as well so it's not really an equivalent comparison. Hordes also tend get a per model buff that Evocators don't so don't not require you to ring all of them to bear, they are made better by virtue of just being in the company of their pals. Again, not a buff that Dracoline riders get. I mean I'm sure you can play games with a 20 strong footprint of 40mm bases that is effective in combat but I can't see how you'd do it on a battlefield with an interesting terrain layout, that's some big open spaces you're using! Edited November 14, 2018 by Nos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 I'm sorely tempted to buy 9 dracolines now, just on general principle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Just now, AdamR said: I'm sorely tempted to buy 9 dracolines now, just on general principle. 6 is enough for 2000pt. For 2500+ I would consider taking a squad of 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKingInYellow Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Thanks for the tips on my list @AdamR and @Nos. Don't I need 3 Battleline at 2k points though? That's why I went with 10 man units of Sequitors and the Libs. I guess if I did the Sequitors as a single unit of 20 and the Libs as 2 units of 5 that would make sense to save the points. Adding the Lord Castellant seems like a good idea considering I would be running two huge blobs that could benefit from the lantern. Think I might try the Tempest Lords rules too: ++ **Pitched Battle** 2,000 (Order - Stormcast Eternals) ++ + Leader + Lord-Arcanum on Gryph-charger: 0. Bonds of Noble Duty, 0. Patrician's Helm, General Lord-Castellant Lord-Ordinator: Astral Hammers + Artillery + Celestar Ballista Celestar Ballista Celestar Ballista + Battleline + Liberators: 5 Liberators, Grandhammer, Warhammer and Shield Liberators: 5 Liberators, Grandhammer, Warhammer and Shield Sequitors: 4x 5 Sequitors, 8x Stormsmite Greatmace, Stormsmite Maul and Soulshield + Other + Evocators: 3x 5 Evocators, 6x Grandstave, 9x Tempest Blade and Stormstave + Allegiance + Allegiance Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals: Tempest Lords Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, AdamR said: How about Allegiance: Stormcast EternalsMortal Realm: AqshyLeadersLord-Celestant On Stardrake (560)- General- Celestine Hammer- Trait: Staunch Defender - Artefact: Ignax's Scales - Mount Trait: Storm-wingedKnight-Incantor (140)- Spell: Azyrite HaloLord-Castellant (100)Knight-Heraldor (100)Battleline10 x Liberators (200)- Warhammer & Shield- 2x Grandhammers5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammer & Shield- 1x Grandhammers5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammer & Shield- 1x GrandhammersUnits10 x Evocators (400)- 5x Grandstaves- Lore of Invigoration: Speed of LightningEndless SpellsDais Arcanum (40)Total: 1740 / 1750Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 102 can't have ignax's scale on drake cause we play w/out realm... i don't know, i really like the new battlelines... 10 evocators are big though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) I find that 10 Evocators and a Celestant on Drake combine really well - it's two horrendous things your opponent has to deal with leading to either one or the other being unmolested, or they split their attentions and don't do much to either. EDIT - if no realm artifacts, I'd probably go either Armour of Destiny or Armour of Silvered Sigmarite instead. Probably Destiny, as vs hordes you kinda want to be hit with the azyrite halo and thundershield combo. Edited November 14, 2018 by AdamR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, PJetski said: 6 is enough for 2000pt. For 2500+ I would consider taking a squad of 9 If six are enough, then nine are even better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerOfSigmar Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 17 minutes ago, RocketMan said: i just own sce!3 ballista are already 300pts, no space for other For your list, you want to bring the lord celestant on stardrake? Otherwise it is 240(LAGC)+460(stardrake)+100(heraldor)+100(castllant)+120*2(10 seq)+100*2(10 lib)=1340, you still have 410 points left, good for 3 ballista, 1 unit of skink and 1 extra CP. For me, I won't spend 100 points just for the sigmarite shield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 27 minutes ago, AdamR said: I find that 10 Evocators and a Celestant on Drake combine really well - it's two horrendous things your opponent has to deal with leading to either one or the other being unmolested, or they split their attentions and don't do much to either. EDIT - if no realm artifacts, I'd probably go either Armour of Destiny or Armour of Silvered Sigmarite instead. Probably Destiny, as vs hordes you kinda want to be hit with the azyrite halo and thundershield combo. or i can drop on disc and libs, doing 3x5 to add a second incantor. what do u think? too much magic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUFNSTUF Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 On the topic of gavriel bomb, are there any other options that are just as competitive, possibly shooting based or other storm hosts like the run and charge one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Just now, PUFNSTUF said: On the topic of gavriel bomb, are there any other options that are just as competitive, possibly shooting based or other storm hosts like the run and charge one? i think there are lot of other ways to play competitive! not only with gavriel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, RocketMan said: or i can drop on disc and libs, doing 3x5 to add a second incantor. what do u think? too much magic? Depends what you're fighting. Dais gives you a second unbind + 2+ armour + flying, so it's pretty good on an incantor. 10 libs should be able to lock down an objective more securely. 2 minutes ago, RocketMan said: i think there are lot of other ways to play competitive! not only with gavriel QFT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerOfSigmar Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) Stormcast can go with heavy shooting. 4 ballista+ordinator, a unit of 9 raptor with hurricane(with anvil), both are very good choice. Edited November 14, 2018 by HammerOfSigmar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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