Lucur Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 They just rereleased the Adeptus Titanicus rulebook (specialist game) and for the first time i can remember they updated it with their current FAQ. I hope that gets repeated for all the books, i'd drop a few bucks to get all rules and errata rolled in. I would really love a subscription based electronic solution. Let me pay 10€ a month to get access to all rules and keep them updated. Besides hardback lovers i don't know of a player that wouldn't go with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Williams Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 34 minutes ago, Lucur said: They just rereleased the Adeptus Titanicus rulebook (specialist game) and for the first time i can remember they updated it with their current FAQ. I hope that gets repeated for all the books, i'd drop a few bucks to get all rules and errata rolled in. I would really love a subscription based electronic solution. Let me pay 10€ a month to get access to all rules and keep them updated. Besides hardback lovers i don't know of a player that wouldn't go with that. I'll move to electronic when the navigation system of the rules gets to the point that I can: 1) Go to an index of the main rules set, and quickly jump to any section I want without scrolling or searching. 2) Go to an index of the battle tome for the arm I'm playing, and quickly jump to any section I want without scrolling or searching. 3) Create an army list and have all of the warscrolls for the army I'm playing easy to jump to with minimum of about 3 finger presses, and no scrolling or searching. 4) Have all of the rules and battle tomes and warscrolls updated dynamically any time an FAQ or new rule changes anything. Additionally, easy access to the FAQ within the index search for the battletome and rules sets from #1 and #2 above. Right now, to my knowledge, the digital books are basically just a PDF that I have to scroll through, just like if I was flipping pages in a book, except unlike with a real book I can't put book marks or turn the corners of the pages and just flip straight to the section I want. And I can't take out all the warscroll cards for the units I'm using before a game and have them all within quick reach while I'm playing. It needs to be easy and convenient and extremely fast. If they can do that, I'd pay just about any monthly price for it. Until then, no thanks, I'll stick with physical books. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 6 hours ago, NauticalSoup said: @Mark Williams I wouldn't want it to happen because I despise rules bloat, but Hammers of Sigmar having their own special supplement is definitely within the realm of possibility and would be a trivially easy way for GW to spell a bunch of books. The only thing that might stop it is the sheer volume of negativity surrounding 40k's marine supplements. @OkayestDM Hopefully the Sacrosanct Chamber opening doesn't signal how they intend to release new lines in the future, with all the focus being on just the new miniatures while all the old warscrolls continue to collect dust. Sacrosanct having their own basic infantry "Liberator, only better" model is... worrying. im still pissed about how they nerfed sequitors and evocators. for no reason. and havent taken it back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeyj001 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Yeah I agree about the need to move the rules to an all encompassing electronic system. The rule dissemination is so inefficient and haphazard, I gotta buy my army codex, malign sorcery, GHB, etc just to play the damn game. and the never-ending faq’s, for example, evocators can know a spell from invigoration yet the warscroll isn’t updated to reflect that. SCE may be in a weak place right now but hey, this is ultimately a game involving a strong elements of chance, so we should still be able to do work if we play right and the dice gods favor us! Just gotta roll hot fire 🔥 😏. But regardless, it’s an opportunity to learn to have fun and be gracious even when we lose with SCE. Easier said than done for sure. I’ve always felt it’s an uphill battle to win with SCE, we have limited bodies, and no summoning, in a game that’s dominated by having bodies on objectives... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Joeyj001 said: SCE may be in a weak place right now but hey, this is ultimately a game involving a strong elements of chance, so we should still be able to do work if we play right and the dice gods favor us! Just gotta roll hot fire That's prob why sc seem more impacted than other armies (who are in the same boat, all boards read the same really): Elite armies roll fewer dice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucur Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 6 hours ago, Mark Williams said: I'll move to electronic when the navigation system of the rules gets to the point that I can: 1) Go to an index of the main rules set, and quickly jump to any section I want without scrolling or searching. 2) Go to an index of the battle tome for the arm I'm playing, and quickly jump to any section I want without scrolling or searching. 3) Create an army list and have all of the warscrolls for the army I'm playing easy to jump to with minimum of about 3 finger presses, and no scrolling or searching. 4) Have all of the rules and battle tomes and warscrolls updated dynamically any time an FAQ or new rule changes anything. Additionally, easy access to the FAQ within the index search for the battletome and rules sets from #1 and #2 above. Right now, to my knowledge, the digital books are basically just a PDF that I have to scroll through, just like if I was flipping pages in a book, except unlike with a real book I can't put book marks or turn the corners of the pages and just flip straight to the section I want. And I can't take out all the warscroll cards for the units I'm using before a game and have them all within quick reach while I'm playing. It needs to be easy and convenient and extremely fast. If they can do that, I'd pay just about any monthly price for it. Until then, no thanks, I'll stick with physical books. Those are solid points (and the reason i still stick to print for 40k, which i play a bit more competitively). I use the standard ebook versions for AoS and they work ok. Depending on the reader you use you can bookmark, too. The original index marks are usable, the warscrolls are the worst part, as they are indicated by what's on top of the respective page, not every warscroll being listed. It's once you have to jump between several files, it gets finnickey. However the printed versions seem to be outdated two weeks after release and you have to carry 5 (outdated) books per game. I've heard good things about the improved versions for apple stuff, i'm just not rich enough to support the hobby and that stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OkayestDM Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 I definitely enjoy the convenience of digital rules and support apps when done right - and I have several of them for the sake of convenience - but I've always preferred hard copies myself. Yes, they can go out of date quickly, but if I read the erratas once or twice, I'm usually good to remember them. I don't like relying on tech for my hobbies and games for several reasons, though the primary one is that a computer issue or dropping/loosing my phone could deprive me of my gaming tools. If I drop a book, I just pick it up again. Maybe dust it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 17 hours ago, jhamslam said: fair point btw thanks for your advice on anvilstrike, i really appreciate it, and wouldnt have had a hope with SCE if it werent for it. Glad to hear it I should give props to @Requizen since we worked on the list for a long time on this forum. His innovation of transitioning from Aetherstrike into 2.0 by bringing a block of Evocators was a major break-through. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snipersyn Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 At least for now, I believe GW should align themselves with some sort of consensus to support players that both BUY books and subscribe to digital apps. For example, when I list-build in Azyr and I am the legal owner of a faction's battletome, I should be offered some sort of discount and allowance to use the e-version of the same book in the app. The double-dipping is unbecoming if you ask me. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requizen Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 8:06 AM, PJetski said: Glad to hear it I should give props to @Requizen since we worked on the list for a long time on this forum. His innovation of transitioning from Aetherstrike into 2.0 by bringing a block of Evocators was a major break-through. And now that I'm playing Bonesplitterz for a while, I'm kicking myself for helping popularize it haha, I really don't want to see my old list across the table from me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 55 minutes ago, Requizen said: And now that I'm playing Bonesplitterz for a while, I'm kicking myself for helping popularize it haha, I really don't want to see my old list across the table from me I wouldnt call it popular. I expected to see more of it at LVO, i was the only one. People dont like playing SCE , those that do still go for a mix sequitors, evos, ballistas, or like 6 longstrikes + 6 hurricanes or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requizen Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, jhamslam said: I wouldnt call it popular. I expected to see more of it at LVO, i was the only one. People dont like playing SCE , those that do still go for a mix sequitors, evos, ballistas, or like 6 longstrikes + 6 hurricanes or something Well, it's gotten quite popular in my area haha. I think between the group here that play it, it's at least well known enough to be planned for. I still think it's a fun list! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughwyeth Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 9:00 PM, snipersyn said: At least for now, I believe GW should align themselves with some sort of consensus to support players that both BUY books and subscribe to digital apps. For example, when I list-build in Azyr and I am the legal owner of a faction's battletome, I should be offered some sort of discount and allowance to use the e-version of the same book in the app. The double-dipping is unbecoming if you ask me. GW's model for battletome/codex print/digital is decades old compared to competitors. We're all still mostly using print books, carrying a book that has 2 pages of what we need to reference (spells and allegiance stuff), 70 pages of narrative, 10 pages of painting, and 10 pages of warscrolls that area easier to access on the app or with cards. I like print books but I'd rather take a tablet with a useful app to a game. AoS Reminders, developed by one person, is better than GW's whole digital offering. That's crazy. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 hi all, anyone has tried including 2 gunhaulers as allies? they seem to bring a lot in their warscroll and I am thinking they might be interesting with their mobility to threaten the whole board + a little shooting as bonus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 59 minutes ago, Marcvs said: hi all, anyone has tried including 2 gunhaulers as allies? they seem to bring a lot in their warscroll and I am thinking they might be interesting with their mobility to threaten the whole board + a little shooting as bonus ive considered it, theyre tough maneauvrable, not a bad choice as far as sce allies go. Problem is 2 isnt quite that optimal, we re far better off with our own shooters. When i consider allies, im mainly considering heroes / more spellcasters. or bodies for chaff/ objective control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, jhamslam said: ive considered it, theyre tough maneauvrable, not a bad choice as far as sce allies go. Problem is 2 isnt quite that optimal, we re far better off with our own shooters. When i consider allies, im mainly considering heroes / more spellcasters. or bodies for chaff/ objective control Ok, I don't think I can really argue with you considering your recent results so, from the shooting angle I agree 100%, it's the mobility (+ the relative sturdiness) that I find interesting. Following on your alternative, the other option I am considering would be 2x 10 shadow warriors for threatening objectives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Marcvs said: Ok, I don't think I can really argue with you considering your recent results so, from the shooting angle I agree 100%, it's the mobility (+ the relative sturdiness) that I find interesting. Following on your alternative, the other option I am considering would be 2x 10 shadow warriors for threatening objectives. hey dont be like that we all start somewhere with an idea. i was just as much a noob and wouldnt have made it this far were it not for the people in this sub sharing their experiences. I think its worth a shot , if you have a friend with KO stuff, try it. Ive also considered shadow warriors in a ballista evocator list, gonna try it out soon Edited February 10, 2020 by jhamslam 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Just now, jhamslam said: hey dont be like that we all start somewhere with an idea. i was just as much a noob and wouldnt have made it this far were it not for the people in this sub sharing their experiences. I think its worth a shot , if you have a friend with KO stuff, try it. Ive also considered shadow warriors in a ballista evocator list, gonna try it out soon Oh, sure I'll try both as soon as I can get my hands on the models -truth is, I would also like to paint some KO ship with stormcast-y colors so I'm trying to find a good excuse to get them 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schwabbele Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Definetely worth trying. Funnily I am currently playing with my SW color scheme , as soon as I have 20 done they will die for sigmar 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, schwabbele said: Definetely worth trying. Funnily I am currently playing with my SW color scheme , as soon as I have 20 done they will die for sigmar Hot dang, that looks good! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommissarRotke Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/02/12/warband-focus-the-new-warbandsgw-homepage-post-3/ so Castigators might be useful somewhere now?? I'm hoping their Warcry card is worth the points... 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozly Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, CommissarRotke said: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/02/12/warband-focus-the-new-warbandsgw-homepage-post-3/ so Castigators might be useful somewhere now?? I'm hoping their Warcry card is worth the points... Just give me a battleline if option and i’ll put em on the table thats all i need 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NauticalSoup Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, Bozly said: Just give me a battleline if option and i’ll put em on the table thats all i need It's kinda sad that the state of SCE is such that I'd probably do the same. An utterly mediocre shooter but it would make for the cheapest way to fulfill battleline and thus the smallest amount of points wasted on crappy tax units. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommissarRotke Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 5 hours ago, Bozly said: Just give me a battleline if option and i’ll put em on the table thats all i need it really doesn't make sense that they aren't battleline with a lord arcanum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 3 hours ago, CommissarRotke said: it really doesn't make sense that they aren't battleline with a lord arcanum I dont even know why sequitors require a lord arcanum Should just be any hero with the "sacrosanct" keyword Like the lore (audiobooks from my experience( has plenty of instances of Knight Incantors leading Sequitors and castigators 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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