Freejack02 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 19 minutes ago, Sev said: y, my bad, i just checked ... and still, i'm not certain Evoc can use cogs Get convinced! It appears to be 100% legal (and not in a rules-twisting sort of way, but perfectly working as intended sort of way). I've never heard it interpreted as the way you presented, although I've never tried using Cogs with SCE (we have Gavriel, why bother). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 WIZARD does not refer to a model or a unit, but rather a keyword on the warscroll. If they wanted the Cogs to be limited by the number of models in a unit they could have said "WIZARD HERO" or "a WIZARD with only one model in its unit" or something along those lines. Dracolines and Evocators can absolutely activate the Cogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sev Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 ok! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 I thought that evo (drac or foot ) could only cast empower: "This unit is a Wizard while it has 2 or more models. It can attempt to cast one spell in your hero phase, and attempt to unbind one spell in the enemy hero phase. It knows the Empower spell. It cannot attempt to cast any spells other than Empower, but any number of units of Evocators can attempt to cast Empower in the same hero phase." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sev Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Read the FAQ Page 122 – Lore of Invigoration Add the following under the title: ‘Units of Evocators can know and attempt to cast one spell from the Lore of Invigoration. This is an exception to the rule that they cannot attempt to cast spells other than Empower. If a unit of Evocators attempts to cast a spell from the Lore of Invigoration, it cannot attempt to cast any other spells in that hero phase.’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 5 minutes ago, GeneralZero said: I thought that evo (drac or foot ) could only cast empower: "This unit is a Wizard while it has 2 or more models. It can attempt to cast one spell in your hero phase, and attempt to unbind one spell in the enemy hero phase. It knows the Empower spell. It cannot attempt to cast any spells other than Empower, but any number of units of Evocators can attempt to cast Empower in the same hero phase." They can cast Empower and any spell from the Lore of Invigoration (FAQ clarified this) They cant cast the Cogs, but the two Arcanums can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughwyeth Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 22 minutes ago, Sev said: Read the FAQ Page 122 – Lore of Invigoration Add the following under the title: ‘Units of Evocators can know and attempt to cast one spell from the Lore of Invigoration. This is an exception to the rule that they cannot attempt to cast spells other than Empower. If a unit of Evocators attempts to cast a spell from the Lore of Invigoration, it cannot attempt to cast any other spells in that hero phase.’ As in you can choose during the game or have to choose one pre-game as with all other units and factions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wanderer Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 22 minutes ago, hughwyeth said: As in you can choose during the game or have to choose one pre-game as with all other units and factions? Choose the spell from the lore pre-game as normal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 that's what I though! they just can't cog! (I knew the faq but I was speaking about the other spells, like endless) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sev Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 You don't cast the Cogs with Evocs ... you use them as soon as they get casted by another Wizard (Lord Arcanums etc...) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Blade Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 9 hours ago, 123lac said: What's everyone running for 2k games? Planning on running this list Saturday I would appreciate critiques and criticism to help me make changes. Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals- Stormhost: Celestial VindicatorsMortal Realm: UlguLeadersLord-Arcanum on Gryph-Charger (240)- General- Trait: Single-minded Fury - Artefact: Sword of Judgement - Spell: Thundershock- Mount Trait: Aethereal StalkerKnight-Incantor (140)- Spell: Lighntning BlastLord-Castellant (100)- Artefact: Stormrage Blade Lord-Relictor (100)- Prayer: TranslocationBattleline15 x Sequitors (360)- Tempest Blades and Soulshields- 7x Stormsmite Greatmaces5 x Sequitors (120)- Tempest Blades and Soulshields- 3x Stormsmite Greatmaces5 x Judicators (160)- Skybolt Bows- 1x Shockbolt BowsUnits5 x Evocators (200)- 5x Grandstaves- Lore of Invigoration: Speed of Lightning3 x Evocators on Dracolines (300)- 2x Grandstaves- Lore of Invigoration: Celestial BladesBattalionsCleansing Phalanx (120)Endless SpellsCelestian Vortex (40)Emerald Lifeswarm (60)Total: 1940 / 2000Extra Command Points: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Black Blade said: Planning on running this list Saturday I would appreciate critiques and criticism to help me make changes. Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals- Stormhost: Celestial VindicatorsMortal Realm: UlguLeadersLord-Arcanum on Gryph-Charger (240)- General- Trait: Single-minded Fury - Artefact: Sword of Judgement - Spell: Thundershock- Mount Trait: Aethereal StalkerKnight-Incantor (140)- Spell: Lighntning BlastLord-Castellant (100)- Artefact: Stormrage Blade Lord-Relictor (100)- Prayer: TranslocationBattleline15 x Sequitors (360)- Tempest Blades and Soulshields- 7x Stormsmite Greatmaces5 x Sequitors (120)- Tempest Blades and Soulshields- 3x Stormsmite Greatmaces5 x Judicators (160)- Skybolt Bows- 1x Shockbolt BowsUnits5 x Evocators (200)- 5x Grandstaves- Lore of Invigoration: Speed of Lightning3 x Evocators on Dracolines (300)- 2x Grandstaves- Lore of Invigoration: Celestial BladesBattalionsCleansing Phalanx (120)Endless SpellsCelestian Vortex (40)Emerald Lifeswarm (60)Total: 1940 / 2000Extra Command Points: 2 I would cut the vortex or lifewarm and add 5 more Sequitors to your 15man blob. Lifeswarm is underwhelming for Stormcast since it only respawns one model at best (and has a 33-66% chance of failure), especially since you already have a healing spell from your LAGC Edited August 29, 2018 by PJetski 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Blade Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) @PJetski thanks I will do just that. Edit: I decided to revise the list Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals- Stormhost: Celestial VindicatorsMortal Realm: UlguLeadersLord-Arcanum on Gryph-Charger (240)- General- Trait: Single-minded Fury - Artefact: Doppelganger Cloak - Spell: Thundershock- Mount Trait: Aethereal StalkerLord-Castellant (100)- Artefact: Stormrage Blade Knight-Incantor (140)- Spell: Lighntning BlastBattleline20 x Sequitors (400)- Tempest Blades and Soulshields- 9x Stormsmite Greatmaces5 x Sequitors (120)- Stormsmite Mauls and Soulshields- 3x Stormsmite Greatmaces5 x Judicators (160)- Skybolt Bows- 1x Shockbolt BowsUnits10 x Evocators (400)- 10x Grandstaves- Lore of Invigoration: Speed of Lightning3 x Evocators on Dracolines (300)- 2x Grandstaves- Lore of Invigoration: Celestial BladesBattalionsCleansing Phalanx (120)Endless SpellsQuicksilver Swords (20)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 1Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 123 Edited August 29, 2018 by Black Blade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nos Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 20 hours ago, ledha said: The Stormhost are not really better than the "non stormhost" road, so you are perfectly fine if you don't pick one. Staunch defenders is still the best general trait of the army. As the magic items, you have one in your army, and another for each warscroll bataillion. Most of the time so, only two at best. The best items are for me the mirroshield, armor of sigmarite, luckstone, spellshield, staff of focus and lantern of the tempest Thanks so much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnie25 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Is it needed or desired to run a screen when running big stuff like Stardrakes? Would a screen of 40 Skinks be a good addition to a 2000 point list to keep the LCoSD out of unwanted combat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenshin620 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Isn't nice being the SCE where you always get more Shadespire warbands? ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 the knght incantator looks really nice, the other 2 are just standart evocators. Too bad that most of us have already too many incantators (from soul wars, from evo, from tempest of souls, from the book...). (I have 5 meaning 3 useless at least) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Its odd that they would have a Knight-Incantor instead of an Evocator-Prime... I like how this easily fills the 3 Evocators from Soul Wars. Grand Convocation has no limit on Incantors, so it's not like another Incantor is a total waste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freejack02 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1 hour ago, PJetski said: Its odd that they would have a Knight-Incantor instead of an Evocator-Prime... I like how this easily fills the 3 Evocators from Soul Wars. Grand Convocation has no limit on Incantors, so it's not like another Incantor is a total waste. Just use the Incantor as an Ecov Prime - they look nearly identical (longer tabard the only difference?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinlvalentine Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Freejack02 said: Just use the Incantor as an Ecov Prime - they look nearly identical (longer tabard the only difference?). It's not the biggest deal, but he's also missing the Prime shoulderpad, which is the main consistent thing that marks Primes in the Stormcast range. I can't imagine any opponent making a fuss about it, but it's the sort of thing that would bother me in my own army 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freejack02 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Just now, robinlvalentine said: It's not the biggest deal, but he's also missing the Prime shoulderpad, which is the main consistent thing that marks Primes in the Stormcast range. I can't imagine any opponent making a fuss about it, but it's the sort of thing that would bother me in my own army Good call, missed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinlvalentine Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Actually, on a similar topic - people who've got the Evocator box, what are the options like for building a Knight-Incantor from that? Can you do male or female, or is it only male? Do you get some choice of how they look, or do they all come out like the one in the battletome? I've seen almost no examples of Knight-Incantors built from that box, I guess because everyone already has the other Knight-Incantor models instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Williams Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 3 hours ago, robinlvalentine said: Actually, on a similar topic - people who've got the Evocator box, what are the options like for building a Knight-Incantor from that? Can you do male or female, or is it only male? Do you get some choice of how they look, or do they all come out like the one in the battletome? I've seen almost no examples of Knight-Incantors built from that box, I guess because everyone already has the other Knight-Incantor models instead Technically. You can only make one knight encantor from the box. It is a male model with a special front fitting armor and a special 2h stave. The rest are all evocators, but you can almost turn any of them into a prime because the shoulderpads come in 2 sizes and are all interchangeable. The poses, however, are very static. It would be very difficult to get much variety from the box. A few head swaps maybe. After that you’re basically into cutting plastic and using green stuff almost immediately. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THUNDERHAMMER Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 I've fallen off a bit but looking to get back into AOS last I was looking at a cleansing phalanx and a castellant at 1.5k is it still a good list? Which flavors of evocator? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrella Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 What are good things to look at for getting started with Stormcast Eternals? Looking at aiming towards getting 1000 points to get going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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