Marcvs Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, PJetski said: What were you guys expecting...? He can't be drastically different from a regular Lord Celestant I mean, sure expecting anything good is a bad idea, but on the second point: Gavriel is a lord celestant and yet he basically opens up a whole strategic option by himself. Edited April 22, 2021 by Marcvs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xking Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 3 hours ago, PJetski said: What were you guys expecting...? He can't be drastically different from a regular Lord Celestant I want him to be as cool and awesome as he is in the novels. Stormcast are former mortal heroes reforged into demi-gods, their souls are infused with a fragment of Sigmar's very divine essence and their bodies are remade from the magic of the heavens. They are then equipped with weapons and armor made from holy-arcane living metal, forge by six dwarf demi-god created and trained by Grungni himself. The weapons and armor are also blessed by both Grungni and Sigmar. Then the stormcast eternals are trained for centuries in the Gladitorium , both individually and collectively. I want the rule to match the lore, even a little. Please GW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 22 minutes ago, xking said: I want him to be as cool and awesome as he is in the novels. Stormcast are former mortal heroes reforged into demi-gods, their souls are infused with a fragment of Sigmar's very divine essence and their bodies are remade from the magic of the heavens. They are then equipped with weapons and armor made from holy-arcane living metal, forge by six dwarf demi-god created and trained by Grungni himself. The weapons and armor are also blessed by both Grungni and Sigmar. Then the stormcast eternals are trained for centuries in the Gladitorium , both individually and collectively. I want the rule to match the lore, even a little. Please GW Thats basically the same as the lore for Space Marines but then on the table they get rekted by everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagittarii Orientalis Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 35 minutes ago, Malakithe said: Thats basically the same as the lore for Space Marines but then on the table they get rekted by everything I actually wish SCE on competitive tabletop were as good as current Space Marines. At least the armoured boys in 40K are solid mid-tier even at the worst, with many chapters(stormhost equivalent) having potential to regularly present themselves at the podium. SCE on the other hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 46 minutes ago, Sagittarii Orientalis said: I actually wish SCE on competitive tabletop were as good as current Space Marines. At least the armoured boys in 40K are solid mid-tier even at the worst, with many chapters(stormhost equivalent) having potential to regularly present themselves at the podium. SCE on the other hand... True...for being the face of AoS they get treated like the bottom of barrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evantas Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Sagittarii Orientalis said: I actually wish SCE on competitive tabletop were as good as current Space Marines. At least the armoured boys in 40K are solid mid-tier even at the worst, with many chapters(stormhost equivalent) having potential to regularly present themselves at the podium. SCE on the other hand... I think the 1-drop Vanguard Chambers is still seen. That's literally the only one left hanging around though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erdemo86 Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, PJetski said: What were you guys expecting...? He can't be drastically different from a regular Lord Celestant Yeah but he is, in a worst way... lesser save, bigger base, more points and a support for the most useless chamber.. Edited April 23, 2021 by Erdemo86 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xking Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Erdemo86 said: Yeah but he is, in a worst way... lesser save, bigger base, more points and a support for the most useless chamber.. *Stormhost * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nizrah Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 8 hours ago, Malakithe said: Thats basically the same as the lore for Space Marines but then on the table they get rekted by everything lol nope? Since later half of 8th edition Space Marines get new book and are top of the top of 40k. LOL Stormcast are the most detached from the lore army right now. Immortal demigods that have sv 4+ just like guy from CoS which is literally in his underpants. Our guys have the same sv as the guys below. Good ducking job gw. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 9 hours ago, Malakithe said: Thats basically the same as the lore for Space Marines but then on the table they get rekted by everything Luckily (at least from my perspective) no, they don't have the same lore as the space marines. As for getting rekted, while I agree that SCE are not a top tier army and in a poor state presently, the statement should be qualified as "on the TOP tables they get rekted by everything" because for the rest they can hold their own. I am definitely NOT a great player and I lack experience but I can consistently get my 3-2 / 2-1 with SCE while staying away from shootcast and playing rather skewed lists. While the "glass ceiling" frustrates me a lot, this still means winning most of my games in a competitive setting. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feii Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 9 hours ago, Malakithe said: Thats basically the same as the lore for Space Marines but then on the table they get rekted by everything ?????? their warscroll stats are premium, what are you talking about? It's different when they are rekt because somebody else has 10 overlaying faction rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 Obviously I would prefer if Stormcast had stats that matched their lore and the models but they can't release a new special character in 2nd edition that is wildly inconsistent with the current ruleset. If you thought one special character to save a Stormhost and bring it up to top tier competitive play then your expectations were too high. Hallowed Knights special rules are seriously bad and it will take more than one named character to make them viable. Personally I am shelfing my Stormcast until they get proper rules. They can (and hopefully will) rewrite the Gardus warscroll when 3rd edition launches. They just did this exact same thing with Illuminor Szeras and the Plasmancer in 40k; they both had awful rules but they were consistent with the 8th edition Necron codex, and they had rewrites in the 9th edition codex. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dream Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 16 hours ago, Evantas said: I think the 1-drop Vanguard Chambers is still seen. That's literally the only one left hanging around though. Heard rumors that AoS 3 will get rid of all battalions in matched play. So even that is gone. Which sucks cause I just bought and finished painting it this week. Probably never going to get to take it to a tournament at all if AoS 3 drops early june. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baiardo Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dream said: Heard rumors that AoS 3 will get rid of all battalions in matched play. So even that is gone. Which sucks cause I just bought and finished painting it this week. Probably never going to get to take it to a tournament at all if AoS 3 drops early june. If battalions are gone, we’ll barely note the difference🤣except for vanguard lists! I’m convinced that there’s still something to personalise a list, like new rules for artifacts and maybe new ability for units. edit: I bought the new broken realms battalion, black watch, and it’s still in the box, never played...hope to see a new season for judicators at least?🥲😄 Edited April 23, 2021 by baiardo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionUK Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 11 hours ago, Marcvs said: Luckily (at least from my perspective) no, they don't have the same lore as the space marines. As for getting rekted, while I agree that SCE are not a top tier army and in a poor state presently, the statement should be qualified as "on the TOP tables they get rekted by everything" because for the rest they can hold their own. I am definitely NOT a great player and I lack experience but I can consistently get my 3-2 / 2-1 with SCE while staying away from shootcast and playing rather skewed lists. While the "glass ceiling" frustrates me a lot, this still means winning most of my games in a competitive setting. I also agree with this. My game group runs fairly try-hard/competitive lists/armies and although I've been the underdog using SCE (despite their cries for me to pick up a new army like Idoneth) I still manage to make most games competitive and sometimes pull a win. When a couple of them tone down lists and take more non-meta armies (e.g. Khorne) I manage to fair pretty well/stomp games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The World Tree Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 15 hours ago, Dream said: Heard rumors that AoS 3 will get rid of all battalions in matched play. So even that is gone. Which sucks cause I just bought and finished painting it this week. Probably never going to get to take it to a tournament at all if AoS 3 drops early june. We will have a new book by AOS3 launch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattrulesok Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Painted up my kitbash Lord veritant, not the best painter but happy with how this conversion came out. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SentinelGuy Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Do you think there's any value in running pistoliers in a shooty Stormkeep list? I'm used to running them in CoS with an Azyros nearby and they'd be doing the same thing really - clearing objectives with their ability to shoot, shoot on the charge and then hit stuff in combat. I'm also tempted by gyrocopters to deal with hordes. Only the £ puts me off trying them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 57 minutes ago, SentinelGuy said: Do you think there's any value in running pistoliers in a shooty Stormkeep list? I'm used to running them in CoS with an Azyros nearby and they'd be doing the same thing really - clearing objectives with their ability to shoot, shoot on the charge and then hit stuff in combat. I'm also tempted by gyrocopters to deal with hordes. Only the £ puts me off trying them. If you need mobile firepower you should look at getting some Grunstok Gunhaulers - 10 wound flying cannon that can teleport for only 130 points. Combos well with a Lord-Ordinator. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baiardo Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 (edited) I was thinking about the rumors about aos3, in my opinion most of the "OP" armies right now will be leveled: -no more than 1buff/malus -no more batallions -generates CP every turn like ossiarch, yeah! -reaction to charge is really great for us only these changes are a great improvement for stormcast, even if they are only the surface of the new ed. I think we will be at the top again, also new units confirmed in the "aos indomitus box" should place stormcast army in the best spot for variety and strategy. Edited April 26, 2021 by baiardo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erdemo86 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 (edited) On 4/23/2021 at 9:43 AM, Erdemo86 said: Yeah but he is, in a worst way... in understand your point but no more than 1 buff could hurt us too. No Castellant buff+ staunch defender+ stand your ground charge reaction. Also if you try to charge after scions you need a 9 inch charge if the enemy can retreat d6 inches there’s close to no way of charging in. Edited April 27, 2021 by Erdemo86 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 18 minutes ago, Erdemo86 said: in understand your point but no more than 1 buff could hurt us too. No Castellant buff+ staunch defender+ stand your ground charge reaction. Also if you try to charge after scions you need a 9 inch charge if the enemy can retreat d6 inches there’s close to no way of charging in. on the last point: the leak video explicitly says that you will not be able to use the "retreat" charge reaction if the charge originates from outside 9" (so, deepstrike, as it is now) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erdemo86 Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Marcvs said: on the last point: the leak video explicitly says that you will not be able to use the "retreat" charge reaction if the charge originates from outside 9" (so, deepstrike, as it is now) Oh ok didn’t knew that, thx. That’s nice. But not stacking +to save Is right? Edited April 27, 2021 by Erdemo86 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Erdemo86 said: Oh ok didn’t knew that, thx. That’s nice. But not stacking +to save Is right? this is less clear. The video mentions a cap on modifiers (don't remember the exact wording) so it might be. On the other hand, the inspiration might be coming from 40k, where modifiers are capped only for to hit and to wound rolls (so you can still have +3 to "cast" or charge or save and so on). In any case I would say it is quite pointless to imagine how these changes will impact Stormcasts as they are now because in all likelihood we will have a new battletome together with or immediately after the new edition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Have you guys noticed that Gardus is about 10% smaller than regular Stormcast? You can see it here in the comparison between his shoulderpad and a paladin shoulderpad. I wonder if this is a one-off event or if they're modifying the scale of future SCE releases 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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