AoS 2 - Stormcast Eternals Discussion

[Juicy]

14 minutes ago, baiardo said:

@juicy thank you, super exhaustive much useful info and time spared!even my group of play is very competitive

Loved to help.  Im pretty hopefull we get a new book in the near future. Hope Sce got more balance within the book and more competative options. 

[CommissarRotke]

I honestly think the Ruination Chamber will come from Broken Realms moving into 3.0 -- There's a lot going to happen that will bring 'ruination' to the Realms ("breaking them") and we've seen our first Azyrite priestess/cultist along with an Azyrite knight in Cursed City. Also provides a way to tie Cities to Stormcast even more than the Stormkeep addition.

I am HOPING that this comes with warscroll revamps because while I'd like some Cool New Stuff Too Thanks, we really need a whole makeover.

Edited February 22, 2021 by CommissarRotke

[Nizrah]

Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals
- Stormhost: Anvils of the Heldenhammer (Stormkeep)

Leaders
Knight-Azyros (100)
- Mystic Light (Artefact): Lantern of the Tempest
Lord-Castellant (120)
- General
- Command Trait: Deathly Aura
- Artefact: Soulthief
Knight-Incantor (120)
- Spell: Azyrite Halo
Knight-Heraldor (100)

Battleline
30 x Liberators (480)
- Warhammers
- 6x Grandhammers
5 x Liberators (90)
- Warhammer & Shield
- 1x Grandhammers
20 x Judicators (560)
- Skybolt Bows
- 4x Shockbolt Bows

Units
3 x Prosecutors with Stormcall Javelins (90)
- 1x Stormsurge Tridents
3 x Prosecutors with Stormcall Javelins (90)
- 1x Stormsurge Tridents
3 x Prosecutors with Stormcall Javelins (90)
- 1x Stormsurge Tridents

Battalions
Vanguard Wing (140)

Total: 1980 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 1
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 149

Well, i think it have potential  

[PJetski]

Why run the Vanguard Wing? You could spend points on some kind of melee hammer unit instead and contest objectives through charge/combat instead of relying on your double tab judicators.

If you're running a double tap shooting unit you definitely want a Priest for Translocation.

[Nizrah]

4 minutes ago, PJetski said:

Why run the Vanguard Wing? You could spend points on some kind of melee hammer unit instead and contest objectives through charge/combat instead of relying on your double tab judicators.

If you're running a double tap shooting unit you definitely want a Priest for Translocation.

To boost dmg of liberators and judicators ofc. 

[LordPrometheus]

On 2/19/2021 at 9:11 AM, jhamslam said:

Buy Gardus Steelsoul! The Lord Celestant, a literal demigod who hammers foes into submission in the name of SIgmar and brings light to the realm of Death.

 

4 attacks 4+ 3+ no rend 1 damage

The absolute state of Stormcast right now. This isn't even satire.

Edited February 22, 2021 by LordPrometheus

[baiardo]

5 hours ago, Nizrah said:

To boost dmg of liberators and judicators ofc. 

I'm wrong or that judicators can do 40dmg on average with anvils double shooting?to me seems good and a brilliant idea!

Edit: Also, 30lib should be540pt. right, not 480, their going to cost 80pts?

Edited February 22, 2021 by baiardo

[AverageBoss]

11 hours ago, baiardo said:

I'm wrong or that judicators can do 40dmg on average with anvils double shooting?to me seems good and a brilliant idea!

Edit: Also, 30lib should be540pt. right, not 480, their going to cost 80pts?

They get a horde discount at 30.
Though I always found 30 man SC squads odd, given their size and (supposed) elite status.

[JackStreicher]

I would like new Warrior Chamber Sculpts that depict the SCE in more dynamic poses (same goes for the Dracoths)

[Juicy]

11 hours ago, baiardo said:

I'm wrong or that judicators can do 40dmg on average with anvils double shooting?to me seems good and a brilliant idea!

Edit: Also, 30lib should be540pt. right, not 480, their going to cost 80pts?

How did you calculate 40 damage on average?
16 shots with 2 damage on a hit of 6
4 shots exploding into d6
average of 10 damage on a 4+ 

30 libs get a horde discount so they will be 480.

 

13 hours ago, Nizrah said:

Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals
- Stormhost: Anvils of the Heldenhammer (Stormkeep)

Leaders
Knight-Azyros (100)
- Mystic Light (Artefact): Lantern of the Tempest
Lord-Castellant (120)
- General
- Command Trait: Deathly Aura
- Artefact: Soulthief
Knight-Incantor (120)
- Spell: Azyrite Halo
Knight-Heraldor (100)

Battleline
30 x Liberators (480)
- Warhammers
- 6x Grandhammers
5 x Liberators (90)
- Warhammer & Shield
- 1x Grandhammers
20 x Judicators (560)
- Skybolt Bows
- 4x Shockbolt Bows

Units
3 x Prosecutors with Stormcall Javelins (90)
- 1x Stormsurge Tridents
3 x Prosecutors with Stormcall Javelins (90)
- 1x Stormsurge Tridents
3 x Prosecutors with Stormcall Javelins (90)
- 1x Stormsurge Tridents

Battalions
Vanguard Wing (140)

Total: 1980 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 1
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 149

Well, i think it have potential  

This is a cool list. But super immobile. You hardly can move the liberators around because then they lose that +1 to hit +1 armour save. 

Immagine playing any of the senario's like total commitment. You cannot capture a objective with anything because prosecutors cannot clear something of an objective sadly. So you can only shoot with that big unit of 20 judicators. They have to do so much work. 

If you want to go like this i suggest going stormkeep patrol with translocation prayer and a knight vexillor.
-go for that 3 drop

-Nuke a flank in the hero fase, then translocatie/vexxillor to another side and shoot in the hero fase.

This way you can force some plays on the opponent before he can react to it.





 

[Juicy]

39 minutes ago, AverageBoss said:

They get a horde discount at 30.
Though I always found 30 man SC squads odd, given their size and (supposed) elite status.

i love 30 libbies, But have to agree it looks wierd;)
i just finished the book Black pyramid. Prosecutors and small blocks of liberators are super cool there. Feeling pretty strong. 

Looking at my shelved prosecutors..... cannot do anything...

[Juicy]

Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals
- Stormhost: Anvils of the Heldenhammer (Stormkeep)

Leaders
Lord-Celestant (100)
- General
- Command Trait: Deathly Aura
- Artefact: Soulthief
Lord-Castellant (120)
Lord-Veritant (110)
- Mystic Light (Artefact): Lantern of the Tempest
- Prayer: Translocation
Knight-Vexillor (110)
- Pennant of the Stormbringer
- Treasured Standard (Artefact): Pennant of Sigmaron

Battleline
30 x Liberators (480)
- Warhammer & Shield
- 6x Grandhammers
5 x Liberators (90)
- Warhammer & Shield
- 1x Grandhammers
20 x Judicators (560)
- Boltstorm Crossbows
- 4x Thunderbolt Crossbows

Units
6 x Gryph-Hounds (120)

Battalions
Stormkeep Patrol (130)
Wardens of the Stormkeep (140)

Total: 1960 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 2
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 150

im having some fun with this Shotgun list. Played a few games. Most where close

 

[Archibald]

42 minutes ago, Juicy said:

Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals
- Stormhost: Anvils of the Heldenhammer (Stormkeep)

Leaders
Lord-Celestant (100)
- General
- Command Trait: Deathly Aura
- Artefact: Soulthief
Lord-Castellant (120)
Lord-Veritant (110)
- Mystic Light (Artefact): Lantern of the Tempest
- Prayer: Translocation
Knight-Vexillor (110)
- Pennant of the Stormbringer
- Treasured Standard (Artefact): Pennant of Sigmaron

Battleline
30 x Liberators (480)
- Warhammer & Shield
- 6x Grandhammers
5 x Liberators (90)
- Warhammer & Shield
- 1x Grandhammers
20 x Judicators (560)
- Boltstorm Crossbows
- 4x Thunderbolt Crossbows

Units
6 x Gryph-Hounds (120)

Battalions
Stormkeep Patrol (130)
Wardens of the Stormkeep (140)

Total: 1960 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 2
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 150

im having some fun with this Shotgun list. Played a few games. Most where close

 

So you finally made the patrol batallion work?:)

Why the Lord Celestant?

Edited February 23, 2021 by Archibald

[Juicy]

Just now, Archibald said:

So you finally made the patrol batallion work?:)
 

kind of.. Im taking this list to a local 1 day event. Right now im playing this list 1/2 times a week to see how it goes.. Still havent figured out to make it work if i do not get the first turn. Biggest weakness is 3 drops and a lot of armies i play against are 2/3 drops. Every time i go second i lost the game. Most of the times i went first it was close. Won more then i lost. 

Still im not sure this list is better then 30libs/9longstrikes. 

[baiardo]

1 hour ago, Juicy said:

Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals
- Stormhost: Anvils of the Heldenhammer (Stormkeep)

Leaders
Lord-Celestant (100)
- General
- Command Trait: Deathly Aura
- Artefact: Soulthief
Lord-Castellant (120)
Lord-Veritant (110)
- Mystic Light (Artefact): Lantern of the Tempest
- Prayer: Translocation
Knight-Vexillor (110)
- Pennant of the Stormbringer
- Treasured Standard (Artefact): Pennant of Sigmaron

Battleline
30 x Liberators (480)
- Warhammer & Shield
- 6x Grandhammers
5 x Liberators (90)
- Warhammer & Shield
- 1x Grandhammers
20 x Judicators (560)
- Boltstorm Crossbows
- 4x Thunderbolt Crossbows

Units
6 x Gryph-Hounds (120)

Battalions
Stormkeep Patrol (130)
Wardens of the Stormkeep (140)

Total: 1960 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 2
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 150

im having some fun with this Shotgun list. Played a few games. Most where close

 

I made a similar list yesterday but with azyros instead of vexillor.

Probably I read it wrong but:

I considered 16 hit 2+, wound 3+, save 5+(with the rend -1)

X2 with anvils ability.

Without the 4attacks from captains I had the results in the graphic.

[Juicy]

7 minutes ago, baiardo said:

I made a similar list yesterday but with azyros instead of vexillor.

Probably I read it wrong but:

I considered 16 hit 2+, wound 3+, save 5+(with the rend -1)

X2 with anvils ability.

Without the 4attacks from captains I had the results in the graphic.

16 judicators  1-3-3-1-1   
3 special bow 1-3-3-1-1 Exploding shot d6
1 prime -1-2-3-1-1 Exploding shot d6

is an average of 10  damage against a 4+armour save
you can boost it with rerolls 1 for 11 damage against a 4+ armour save

shoot twice with anvils is 20 damage against a 4+ armour save

i would recommend using Aos statshammer tool. 

[baiardo]

Thanks, yeah maybe is a better tool, I picked up the first one showed up.

[baiardo]

 

What about celestial vindicators (stormkeep) + hammerstrike force + protectors and a blob of liberators as an anvil?

Edited February 24, 2021 by baiardo

[Nizrah]

41 minutes ago, baiardo said:

 

What about celestial vindicators (stormkeep) + hammerstrike force + protectors and a blob of liberators as an anvil?

And you will achieve less than evocators for more pts  

[Juicy]

5 hours ago, baiardo said:

 

What about celestial vindicators (stormkeep) + hammerstrike force + protectors and a blob of liberators as an anvil?

On 2/23/2021 at 1:13 PM, baiardo said:

Thanks, yeah maybe is a better tool, I picked up the first one showed up.

Hammerstrike is a trap.
paladins to slow to charge anything in stormkeep.
if you wanna go hardcore on protectors in a stormkeep go skyborne slayers. There you can drop those paladins at 5 inch with  battleshock immume

[baiardo]

6 minutes ago, Juicy said:

Hammerstrike is a trap.
paladins to slow to charge anything in stormkeep.
if you wanna go hardcore on protectors in a stormkeep go skyborne slayers. There you can drop those paladins at 5 inch with  battleshock immume

Thanks, well, at this point I'm going to follow your path, skyborne and your last list with 30lib and 20judicators, seems you finally found a place for xbows!

[Juicy]

16 minutes ago, baiardo said:

Thanks, well, at this point I'm going to follow your path, skyborne and your last list with 30lib and 20judicators, seems you finally found a place for xbows!

Thanks! i hope you like it. 

if we got the oldbook hammerstrike it would be cool but with the newest Sce book we lack so much tools for our old models. 
Skyborne slayers feels still valid when playing non retributor paladins. You probly going to like it a lot if you havent played this yet.

[Thanos-se]

Can you use the command ability of hammers of sigmar more than once ?? Burn like 3 command points until you get that 5+ ???? I haven't seen anywhere that it is once per turn or per unit, is there any kind of restriction??

[Nizrah]

2 minutes ago, Thanos-se said:

Can you use the command ability of hammers of sigmar more than once ?? Burn like 3 command points until you get that 5+ ???? I haven't seen anywhere that it is once per turn or per unit, is there any kind of restriction??

Only once. It was in FaQ

 

[RedemptionUK]

3 hours ago, Nizrah said:

Only once. It was in FaQ

 

Only once on the same unit right? If two different eligible units die in the same phase you can still pop a command ability on each? Just only one time per unit.