AoS 2 - Stormcast Eternals Discussion

[jhamslam]

22 hours ago, Marzillius said:

The worst part is he doesn't even have 2 unbinds, only one. Despite costing 320. He's kind of an ****** unit, but the thinking is that if the opponents melee unit comes close and gets bound up with Aetherwings, then you can move the Tauralon over them and get +1 to hit with the Hurricanes and more importantly Ballistas. The problem is that even with his 14" move the enemy needs to be within 8" for it to work (you need to move the 3" that you have to stay out of twice). So I don't think it will work. But I'm curious about taking this kind of full shooting list to a tournament just to see how it goes. A 2-3 army maybe, 3-2 if lucky with matchups. But that's pretty true for any Stormcast list that you can come up with lol.

Did anyone see the latest Honest Wargamer stats? 38% winrate for Stormcast, that's pretty sad.

lmao they might see the lvo result and be like "nah sce is clearly fine"

[Nizrah]

Okay guys, i have two new naughy list to consider First is new variant of shootcast, not finished but its the idea is there. Second one is buffed gavriel with Vandus

First:
Idea, drop and shoot, later double shot with everything.
 

Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals
- Stormhost: Anvils of the Heldenhammer

Leaders
Lord-Aquilor (180)
- General
- Trait: Deathly Aura
- Artefact: Soulthief
- Mount Trait: Wind Runner
Knight-Incantor (140)
- Spell: Chain Lightning
- Artefact: Brooh
Knight-Azyros (100)

Lord-Relictor (100)
Prayer: Translocation

Battleline
5 x Vanguard-Hunters (110)
- Boltstorm Pistols and Shock Handaxes
5 x Vanguard-Hunters (110)
- Boltstorm Pistols and Shock Handaxes
5 x Liberators (100)
- Warhammer & Shield
- 1x Grandhammers

Units
6 x Castigators (160)
6 x Castigators (160)
9 x Vanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows (510)
3 x Aetherwings (50)
3 x Aetherwings (50)

War Machines
Celestar Ballista (110)

Battalions
Soulstrike Brotherhood (120)

Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs

Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 1
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 108

Second:

Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals

- Stormhost: Hammers of Sigmar

Mortal Realm: Hysh

Leaders

Gavriel Sureheart (120)

Vandus Hammerhand (280)

- Mount Trait: Drake-kin

Knight-Azyros (100)

- General

- Trait: We Cannot Fail

- Artefact: God-forged Blade

Lord-Ordinator (140)

- Artefact: Aetherquartz Brooch

Battleline

5 x Liberators (100)

- Warhammer & Shield

- 1x Grandhammers

5 x Liberators (100)

- Warhammer & Shield

- 1x Grandhammers

5 x Liberators (100)

- Warhammer & Shield

- 1x Grandhammers

Units

10 x Evocators (440)

- 5x Grandstaves

- Lore of Invigoration: Speed of Lightning

3 x Castigators (80)

War Machines

Celestar Ballista (110)

Celestar Ballista (110)

Celestar Ballista (110)

Battalions

Hailstorm Battery (120)

Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs

Extra Command Point (50)

Total: 1960 / 2000

Extra Command Points: 2

Allies: 0 / 400

Wounds: 109

Battalion is here only for Cp and artefact. ballistas shoot screen and then Gavriel, Vandus, Evocators and Azyros. With 3 cp if i regain atleast 1 cp i get 2x charge and 2x attacks aura and wreck everything 😜 Thats the plan.

[CommissarRotke]

On 2/1/2020 at 12:30 AM, Bozly said:

do whatever you want from there. 

shootcast relies on aetherwings, which you didn't list

[Marcvs]

14 hours ago, Nizrah said:

Battalion is here only for Cp and artefact. ballistas shoot screen and then Gavriel, Vandus, Evocators and Azyros. With 3 cp if i regain atleast 1 cp i get 2x charge and 2x attacks aura and wreck everything 😜 Thats the plan.

Problem with the second list is that you cannot have the 3 ballistas + LO+azyros block in the sky AND the Gavriel, Vandus and Evos as well -since you have 12 units in total. If the ballistas are not depolyed this way, it's quite unlikely you will be able to be in range for the 4 attacks and the average of 3 33" shots will not clear much in terms of screens (they total on average 5-8 wounds, if I am not mistaken)

[Nizrah]

6 hours ago, Marcvs said:

Problem with the second list is that you cannot have the 3 ballistas + LO+azyros block in the sky AND the Gavriel, Vandus and Evos as well -since you have 12 units in total. If the ballistas are not depolyed this way, it's quite unlikely you will be able to be in range for the 4 attacks and the average of 3 33" shots will not clear much in terms of screens (they total on average 5-8 wounds, if I am not mistaken)

2 ballistas into sky, ordinator and 1 ballistas foot.

[Marcvs]

33 minutes ago, Nizrah said:

2 ballistas into sky, ordinator and 1 ballistas foot.

ok got it
maybe without the certainty of the LO bonus it might be worth to consider 9 hurricane raptors to shoot the screens instead?

[Bozly]

7 hours ago, CommissarRotke said:

shootcast relies on aetherwings, which you didn't list

Yes but i also said theyre one of the best units in the list. Some lists dont run them in favor of more sequitors or a bigger guy Or endles spells. Not necessarily saying its right but they are an optional piece. Just got to make sure whatever youre replacing them with is a damn good option

[TheGrayKing]

So if I were trying to make a fun yet still strong list would this work?

Anvils of Heldenhammer

Knight-Azyros

Knight-Incantor

Knight-Zephyros - Soulthief

Lord-Aquilor - General

Lord-Relictor - Translocation

5x Vanguard-Hunters

5x Vanguard-Hunters

5x Vanguard-Hunters

3x Aetherwings

3x Aetherwings

10x Evocators

9x Vanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows

[jhamslam]

6 hours ago, Bozly said:

Yes but i also said theyre one of the best units in the list. Some lists dont run them in favor of more sequitors or a bigger guy Or endles spells. Not necessarily saying its right but they are an optional piece. Just got to make sure whatever youre replacing them with is a damn good option

what i really dislike about the game rn is that it doesnt matter how good your melee is. Sequitors, Boar Boyz, Evocators on dracs, it doesnt matter.

 Us and a lot of other factions have dudes that hit well, but if youre going up against a faction that can fight first and or fight twice its an auto loss. Like how are you supposed to go up against 20 HB fight first and fight twice, or triple keeper? then also deal with the rest of their army and other summonable units?

They really screwed the pooch with this design

Edited February 4, 2020 by jhamslam

[Mark Williams]

43 minutes ago, jhamslam said:

what i really dislike about the game rn is that it doesnt matter how good your melee is. Sequitors, Boar Boyz, Evocators on dracs, it doesnt matter.

 Us and a lot of other factions have dudes that hit well, but if youre going up against a faction that can fight first and or fight twice its an auto loss. Like how are you supposed to go up against 20 HB fight first and fight twice, or triple keeper? then also deal with the rest of their army and other summonable units?

They really screwed the pooch with this design

The only real thing that I find super annoying is having to argue with people who keep telling me to just "learn to play better".

Having said that.... there's SOME truth to that. When you are faced with opponents that you simply can't engage in combat, you have to find a different way to win the games. SCE for better or worse has to splice some shooting into their lists, and they seem to work best as a bit of a hybrid "surgical strike" type army, where you are trying to win an objective by harrassing and haranging your opponent with little jabs and precision cuts and deep striking small units onto backfield objectives.

I find with my army that I can win a lot of games that I'm definitely not expected to win at all, if I just play smart and focus on the objectives. 

Don't get me wrong, I still think this is a 2/5 or 3/5 army at best (unless we're talking about Anvils Shootcast), but I do think we can win some matches against people who don't expect it, and that in itself offers me (at least) some measure of entertainment.

Also I hate to say it but Gotrek has kinda been a huge boost to my army lately. I don't feel good about it, but holy ****** that guy does a lot of work and is a major threat on the board.

[Mark Williams]

Tournament Report from ValleyCon NZ

This is a tournament report from ValleyCon in NZ, which I attenched a couple of weeks ago.

This is the army that I took.

Army List

Spoiler

Gotrek and His Mighty Friends

Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals
- Stormhost: Hammers of Sigmar
Mortal Realm: Chamon

Leaders
Lord-Castellant (120)
- General
- Trait: We Cannot Fail
- Artefact: God-forged Blade
Gavriel Sureheart (120)
Knight-Incantor (140)  -  Lightning Blast
Gotrek Gurnisson (520)
- Allies

Battleline
5 x Liberators (100)
- Warhammer & Shield
- 1x Grandhammers
5 x Liberators (100)
- Warhammer & Shield
- 1x Grandhammers
5 x Judicators (160)
- Boltstorm Crossbows
- 1x Thunderbolt Crossbows

Units
3 x Aetherwings (50)
3 x Vanguard-Raptors with Hurricane Crossbows (140)
10 x Evocators (440)
- 10x Grandstaves
- Lore of Invigoration: Speed of Lightning

Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs
Dais Arcanum (30)
Quicksilver Swords (30)
Extra Command Point (50)

Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 1
Allies: 520 / 400
Wounds: 96
 

This is the list I've been running for a while now. I'll comment how I might change it in the Summary at the bottom, but this is essentially just a variation of my previous tournament list with Gotrek swapped out with my Celestant Prime and Everblaze Comet.

Game 1: Battle for the Pass

Opponent: Idoneth Deepkin

I didn't get any other photos of this game except for board. He Had 12 of the shield eels and 2x6 of the  attack eels, a large group of shadow hunter elves, and 2 scryers. His strategy was to come onto the board edge and point at a unit with 2 of the scryers and get +6" to charge, rerolling. This was the person who came in 2nd in the tournament, losing only to the person who won.

Round 1: He won the drops and forced me to go first. I cast Dias Arcanum and  used the range from my Knight Incantor and Gryph Hound  plus a CP to run 6" to capture the 2 side objectives, then ended my round with no more moves for 5 points. He countered with bringing all of his eels and elves into my back line. He pointed 1 unit of eels at my home base, charged in and killed most of a unit of liberators and captured the objective for 5 points.

Round 2: I won the roll-off and dropped my evocators near his home objetive. Spent 2 CP with Gavriel to charge + 6 inches, and rolled double 1s to fail the charge... In my home base, I countered with gotrek and killed a unit of  eels to recapture my home base for 5 more points. I also dropped all my shooting onto the left object to help clear the eels. He countered by killing most of my evocators with Volturnos and the shield eels, and all of my shooting on the left side, for 3 points total. The Evocators took several  wounds off of  volturnos.

Round 3: I won the roll-off and moved a unit of birds onto his back field objective while he was working on killing my evocators. I cast Quicksilver swords  but Volturnos ignored it. I charged my Knight Incantor into Volturnos and popped all flasks and killed him (lucky!). Gotrek killed the last unit of 6 evocators. Got 7 points. He countered by retreating from the knight incantor on the back field and retaking his home objective. His shadow elves charged my home base and took it again for 7 points total.

Round 4: I won the roll-off.  He used the Quicksilver Swords to kill my Knight Incantor. I moved the birds back to the left objective to retake it. Gotrek killed the elves to retake the back objective. Ended with 5 points. He moved his Soulscryers up, pointed at my birds, then made a high charge roll and spread his eels out to capture both side objectives for 5 points. (killed the birds).

Round 5: Gotrek killed the  2 soulscryers, but I couldn't reach anything else. 1 point. He sat still and got 5 more points.

Game ended with  23 points to 25. Major loss.

Game 2: Starstrike

Opponent: Skaven

I haven't played Skaven much and didn't really know what this army did. However, I won the roll to pick board sides, and saw an opportunity to deploy my entire army onto terrain that was Overgrown (blocks LOS). I effectively got a completely NULL deployment.

Round 1: He chose to take first turn, but didn't seem to be familiar with how Overgrown terrain worked, so wasted a turn unable to see or shoot my army. He teleported some stuff through a hole onto the left side of the board and moved some united towards the center of the board, but otherwise did nothing else. In my turn I cast Dias Arcanum, then Gav-bombed his big rats and killed almost all of them on the charge. On the left flank I charged the big gun machine with my liberators and managed to kill it.

Round 2: I won the roll off and got a double turn. I killed one of his heroes on the left side with my liberators and the evocators charged and killed a large unit of rats and a hero. At this point I'd knocked out almost half of his army and taken very few casualties. It was looking like a complete route... I captured the star that fell in the center of the table. In  his turn he countered and killed all of my evocators with what was left of his army.

Round 3: I won the roll off for turn. Captured the star on my side of the board, while his star dropped in the center of his army. I killed more rats and had gotrek within charging range of his army. In his phase he was running out of units. Did a few wounds to my liberators.

Round 4:  He won the roll off and shot at me some more. In my turn Gotrek finally got into combat and I killed everything left except his general. I captured his star at this point to seal the win.

Round 5: I won the roll off and charged and killed his general to win the game with a wipe and major victory.

Game 3: Scorched Earth

Opponent: Fyreslayers

This was an army that I had faced in the last tournament and lost against due to him not knowing his rules well.

Deployment was weird as this was a short edge board deployment (board split down the short center). We had 4 objectives in each of our territories to cover and my army was very small. I deployed a unit of liberators on the left and right forward objectives, with my general on the left and gotrek on the right. The knight incantor was on the back right, and I set up the gryph hound from the lord castellant pointed backwards to go grab the back left objective. He deployed all of his army as far forward as possible, with nothing on the back objectives.

Round 1: He gave me first turn. I dropped a unit of birds on his back left objective to capture it, and the entire rest of my army on his back right corner. I charged my evocators into  one of his troops units to capture that objective. 7 points captured. Picture below:

In 

In his turn, he counter charged the evocators with the rest of his troops and  a fire lizard and killed them all to retake the front right objetive. He charged the birds with his other magmadroth on the left, but falled to kill the last one (1 wound left). They passed their bravery test and I held that objective. He scored 2 points.

Round 2: I won the roll off and just moved my models a bit but otherwise didn't do much. I burned his back 2 objectives for I think 3 points. 7 points total. In his turn he charged gotrek on my right side, and my liberators on the left side to capture both objectives. He burned my front right objective and held onto the front left objective. I think he got around 5 points this round.

Round 3: Cannot remember who won priority, but Gotrek finished off his troops on my right, while my Lord Castellant tanked his heavy assault unit on my left. He charged my judicators on his back right and killed them.

Round 4: My Hurricane Raptors did a pretty long charge on his back right and captured  his front right objective. I moved Gotrek, my Knight Incantor, and  the last bird onto his front left objective. Captured and burned for 5 points and got 7 total.

Round 5: At this point I think I was so far ahead he could not possibly win, due to poor movement and my Catellant tying up his main assault unit. We finished the game out just slugging it out with each other. Gotrek  took out one of his Magmadroths. Major Victory.

Game 4: Knife to the Heart

Opponent: Stormcast Eternals (Anvils Shootcast)

Always a really bad matchup and I've fought this person a few times in local tournaments. We were both pretty well placed in the tournament at this point (4th and 3rd, me and him respectively). I have no pictures of this battle as he didn't set his army out during the display period and I forgot to take pictures. His army comp was: Lord Arcanum, Knight Azyros, 2x Lord Relictor, 2x5 Sequitors, 5 Judicators, 5 Vanguard Hunters, 3x3 Aetherwings, 9 Longstrike Raptors, 6 stabby Deepkin Eels.

Round 1: I outdropped him and agonized over whether or not to take first turn. He had put his raptors  and most of the aetherwings in the sky, and I felt that due to the mission (knife to the heart) that if I gave him first turn he was going to push everything forward and basically zone me out of the board to the point that the entire game was going to take place in a small corner of my table. I didn't want to play that game because I know how quickly I'll lose my army to the ratpors shooting twice. Because of this I felt that I was forced to take first turn and go completely aggressive and try to make the fight happen on his side of the table. I dropped everything but my aetherwings (because I forgot about them....)  on his side of the table. Shot half some sequitors and 1 unit of his aetherwings off the table with my shooting, then charged his sequitors and piled into his eels with my evocators (very good charge roll with Gavriel). I killed all of his sequitors and most of his eels, and captured his home objective. In his turn he dropped on his side of the table and shot most of my evocators off the board, I killed all but  1 eel with my last evocator, and he failed battleshock  and it ran away.

Round 2: He won the roll of for turn priority and double turned me. Shot all of my  shooting units off the board and basically started pushing me back into my corner of the board. I cast Quicksilver Swords with my Knight Incantor and killed 2 Longstrike Raptors with it. Gavriel charged his raptors and died to the warning cry shots. I ran Gotrek forward but he was pretty far back and wouldn't likely get across the table in time.

Round 3: He won priority again. I moved the Quicksilver Swords again and killed 2 more Longstrike Raptors with it. He dispelled the spell, then killed my Knight Incantor and started putting wounds on Gotrek. I brought the birds down on my objective and turtled up on it so that he would have to fight through them if he wanted a Major Victory.

Round 4 & 5: Basically just him shooting at Gotrek trying to take him down and me getting stuffed by Aetherwings trying to charge him. Gotrek survived the game with 1 wound left, and the game ended with  a  Minor Loss to me due to having viewer kill points.

Game 5: Border War

Opponent: Ossiarch Bonereapers, Petrifex Elite

I don't have a good picture of his army, but it was basically a hastily made OBR army primed grey and washed with Nulin Oil, with a few details picked out. His army comp was 2 heroes, a bone collector monster, 2 artillery, and 2x40 mortrek guard and 1x10 guard, with a battalion.

Round 1: He gave me first turn. I cast Dias Arcanum. Moved my wizard up to get the left objective and summoned my shooting to grab the right objective. I shot about half of the 10 m. Guard off the table, but in his turn he brought them all back alive, then counter charged my shooting and killed them all and took that objective. On the left side of the table, one of his artillery 1-shot my knight incantor off the table with an instant kill ability. Then he captured that objective.

Round 2: He won priority (double turn), and proceded to push forward on the left and right flanks while holding his center. Killed a unit of liberators on the right and charged gotrek and my lord castellant on the left with 40 m. Guard. Gotrek killed over half of his guard but took 4 wounds. In my turn I summoned the evocators and charged into one of the artillery. Huge mistake on my part. I went with the evocators first. Killed the war machine. Then he killed Gotrek. (lost the game at this point due to stupidity on my part).

Round 3, 4, & 5: Hitting a brick wall with my evocators and doing no damage while watching them die. I finished the game with 1 gryph hound on the board and nothing else. Major Loss.

Final Thoughts and Conclusions

The winner of the tournament was  a weird Cities of Sigmar list that was about half Kharadron Overlords (Phoenix city). He got 5 wins. In his 4th game he faced the eel player. The eel player started with his entire army off the board, and the cities player zoned him out of the board on turn 1 so that he was unable to come onto the board, thus automatically winning the game without having to play. In round 5, he beat the Anvils Shootcast list that i played in round 4, to win the tournament (from what I heard, he basically beat the Shootcast at his own game (ie better shooting). Here's a picture of the winning army.

If I could have beaten the shootcast army somehow, I would've been playing this army for 2nd place. But alas the Gav bomb is a bit of an inferior list to that and I rightly lost, although I think that if I'd played a bit better, maybe... I had a chance to win that first game against the eels... I think my list has the potential to win a tournament at this point, if the stars align perfectly and I get some luck and good matchups... but it's definitely an uphill climb and I seem to have several armies that are paper to my rock.

I don't really have any major changes to my "tournament list" at this point. I'd like to have 5 of the 10 evocators with swords instead of staves to get some more rend into my list, but other than that at this point I'm basically just waiting for points drops or total army overhauls.

Gotrek is insane and basically paid for himself in every game. Any other unit I could think of replacing him with would've died several times over and not held a line nor broken it. I can't think of a reason to ever not take him in a competitive list at this point. I admit he has some flaws, but he's unfortunately the best thing I have and he covers a major weakness that my army previously had before.

Anywho... although I did worse in terms of ranking than most of my previous tournaments recently, I actually feel like this list was stronger and that I performed my best ever. Rather I think the competition in my area is just getting better and better and stronger and stronger, and my army is starting to get outshined by the newer, better armies. The power creep is quite real unfortunately....

After this tournament, I did have an some idea for my next  non-gotrek list that I feel inspired to play with my local hobby group, which is this:

Spoiler

Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals
- Stormhost: Hammers of Sigmar
Mortal Realm: Aqshy

Leaders
Lord-Castellant (120)
- General
- Trait: We Cannot Fail
- Artefact: God-forged Blade
Knight-Incantor (140)
- Spell: Azyrite Halo
Gavriel Sureheart (120)
Celestant-Prime (340)

Battleline
15 x Liberators (300)
- Warhammer & Shield
- 1x Grandblades
- 2x Grandhammers
5 x Liberators (100)
- Warhammer & Shield
- 1x Grandhammers
5 x Liberators (100)
- Warhammer & Shield
- 1x Grandhammers

Units
2 x Fulminators (240)

War Machines
Celestar Ballista (110)
Celestar Ballista (110)
Celestar Ballista (110)
Celestar Ballista (110)

Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs
Everblaze Comet (100)

Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 112
 

The point of this list is just to provide a counter to the longstrike lists that I keep facing, as I feel that I should be able to do enough damage with the long range bombardment to effectively neutralize the longstrike raptors. Starting on the board would be: 3 liberators, castellant, Knight incantor (6 drops), and off the board would be: Gavriel, Fulminators, 4 ballistas (6 drops). With the Prime in the sky for free. If someone deploys stupidly and I can easily win by sniping a specific target, I might drop the ballistas at 18" and try my luck, but otherwise, they would probably land in my back field on turn 1 and just focus down priority, while looking for opportunities to use the prime as either a bombardment hero or a late game gav bomb mega charge (20-30" charge). I don't think it's stronger than my "tournament" list, but running Gotrek constantly in casual games is frankly just rude....

Thank you for reading.

[schwabbele]

13 minutes ago, Mark Williams said:

The eel player started with his entire army off the board, and the cities player zoned him out of the board on turn 1 so that he was unable to come onto the board, thus automatically winning the game without having to play.

That is the most hilarious thing

[jhamslam]

1 hour ago, schwabbele said:

That is the most hilarious thing

i didnt even know they could do that, i thought SOME units had to be on board

[schwabbele]

46 minutes ago, jhamslam said:

i didnt even know they could do that, i thought SOME units had to be on board

End of battle round is the trigger i think. But obviously didn’t work 😂😂😂  outplayed on all levels 🤣

 

[jhamslam]

8 minutes ago, schwabbele said:

End of battle round is the trigger i think. But obviously didn’t work 😂😂😂  outplayed on all levels 🤣

 

This reminds of some GT in 40k 5th edition. Exact same scenario.

White Scars player deploys all his army of bikes in reserve. Tau player lines up Kroot using special deployment rules all along the edge of the board of the WS player.

Round 1 begins, Tau players tells the WS player hes lost, calls a judge. Judge confirms, lots of salt generated

[rogue_michael]

1 minute ago, jhamslam said:

This reminds of some GT in 40k 5th edition. Exact same scenario.

White Scars player deploys all his army of bikes in reserve. Tau player lines up Kroot using special deployment rules all along the edge of the board of the WS player.

Round 1 begins, Tau players tells the WS player hes lost, calls a judge. Judge confirms, lots of salt generated

 

[jhamslam]

7 minutes ago, rogue_michael said:

 

yep. thanks for fetching this. just look at all that glory on the Tau player's face.

[rogue_michael]

Just now, jhamslam said:

yep. thanks for fetching this. just look at all that glory on the Tau player's face.

Someone posted it in our discord earlier so I had it right to hand

[Sagittarii Orientalis]

On 2/3/2020 at 1:24 AM, jhamslam said:

lmao they might see the lvo result and be like "nah sce is clearly fine"

Speaking of which, how are the results of LVO AoS tournament? I keep searching for the results, but I struggle to find them.

[jhamslam]

2 hours ago, Sagittarii Orientalis said:

Speaking of which, how are the results of LVO AoS tournament? I keep searching for the results, but I struggle to find them.

https://www.bestcoastpairings.com/r/3nbj3xkf

[Mark Williams]

44 minutes ago, jhamslam said:

https://www.bestcoastpairings.com/r/3nbj3xkf

It's a shame you can't see army lists and opponents in that list. Yes apart from the one SCE player near the top. the showing is pretty poor for the army as a whole. I'd be willing to bet if you threw out the shootcast armies it would look even worse.

[jhamslam]

50 minutes ago, Mark Williams said:

It's a shame you can't see army lists and opponents in that list. Yes apart from the one SCE player near the top. the showing is pretty poor for the army as a whole. I'd be willing to bet if you threw out the shootcast armies it would look even worse.

Well ill just tell you my opponents - Beasts of Chaos, Skaven, Ironjawz, Petrifex Elite, Petrifex Elite, Slaanesh. I was playing Anvilstrike

Edited February 5, 2020 by jhamslam

[Sagittarii Orientalis]

I applaud Mrigank Jha for his outstanding record at LVO with his Stormcast army.  

However, I do not think his record alone shows that the Stormcast is in a finely balanced state internally and externally. So far Stormcast has been showing low performance at least since the launch of 2019 handbook as can be inducted from winrates compiled by HonestWargamer.

While there is a stormcast in top 5 at LVO, there is also CanCon where highest performing stormcast player took 45th place. This makes hasty generalisation based on a single tournament result risky.

It would be same as claiming Imperial Guards are doing fine at current 40K meta because one of them placed in top 10 at latest GW Grand Tournament HEAT 1. Or saying Orks need nerf because they took 1st place while being ahead of several top Iron Hands(AoS equivalent of Hedonites in current 40K meta) list in the same tournament.

[jhamslam]

12 minutes ago, Sagittarii Orientalis said:

I applaud Mrigank Jha for his outstanding record at LVO with his Stormcast army.  

However, I do not think his record alone shows that the Stormcast is in a finely balanced state internally and externally. So far Stormcast has been showing low performance at least since the launch of 2019 handbook as can be inducted from winrates compiled by HonestWargamer.

While there is a stormcast in top 5 at LVO, there is also CanCon where highest performing stormcast player took 45th place. This makes hasty generalisation based on a single tournament result risky.

It would be same as claiming Imperial Guards are doing fine at current 40K meta because one of them placed in top 10 at latest GW Grand Tournament HEAT 1. Or saying Orks need nerf because they took 1st place while being ahead of several top Iron Hands(AoS equivalent of Hedonites in current 40K meta) list in the same tournament.

lmao im Mrigank. So thanks!

I know. You dont need to tell me. I met all the other SCE players there, none of their armies ever stood a chance against this new meta.

My list only has a slight chance, and requires extremely tight play to do so. Jack from Re Rolling Ones on YT was also at LVO, playing shootcast, didnt do so well. He also wasnt playing any evocators so...

Edited February 5, 2020 by jhamslam

[Sagittarii Orientalis]

9 minutes ago, jhamslam said:

lmao im Mrigank. So thanks!

I know. You dont need to tell me. I met all the other SCE players there, none of their armies ever stood a chance against this new meta.

My list only has a slight chance, and requires extremely tight play to do so. Jack from Re Rolling Ones on YT was also at LVO, playing shootcast, didnt do so well. He also wasnt playing any evocators so...

I should have noticed that from your ID "jha"mslam! How silly of me.

I felt the need to comment because there are always people who glance at a few results and say "nah they are fine" without further analysis.

Again, congratulations for your results.

Edited February 5, 2020 by Sagittarii Orientalis