Maturin Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, GrungnisBeard said: Damn that’s disappointing haha. US dollars by the way. Ps : You just saved 300 bucks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrungnisBeard Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Maturin said: If you want to know what's hot for the tournament scene, look up @PJetski's posts or @Turragor's Starcast thread. Most likely won’t be playing in any tournaments, but don’t want to get steamrolled all the time either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedraxis Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, GrungnisBeard said: Hey all, was thinking about starting Stormcast and ran across the following army for sale. Is this a good base to start off with? The army comes out to a little over/under 1k. 2 X 5 Vanguard Hunters 1 X 3 Vanguard Palladors 1 X 3 Vanguard Raptors 1 X 3 Aetherwings 1 X Lord Aquilor 1 X Knight Venator 1 X Naeve Blacktalon ( or ran as Knight Zephyros) If it's for playing with friends/local games this is a fine start to the Vanguard chamber. You can start playing 1k games/meeting engagements right away! Also 300 bucks for a fully painted 1k points is a pretty decent price I think. Getting steamrolled or not mostly comes down to how you play your army, not which army you play. Edited January 5, 2020 by Sedraxis 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Williams Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Sedraxis said: If it's for playing with friends/local games this is a fine start to the Vanguard chamber. You can start playing 1k games/meeting engagements right away! Also 300 bucks for a fully painted 1k points is a pretty decent price I think. Getting steamrolled or not mostly comes down to how you play your army, not which army you play. For a fully painted army and the codex too, I don't think it's too bad either. Yes, you won't be winning any tournaments with it, but it's not as completely horrible as people might make it sound. There's some interesting lists you can make with that depending on the chamber you choose. The main issue you'll have is that if you're just learning to play, this is a pretty tough army to get started in the game with. The army doesn't win by directly engaging the enemy. Rather, it sort of whittles stuff down and tries to split armies up and pick off stray targets etc.... it's a weird army to learn to play and I'd wager that you'll lose a lot of games before you start to get a feel for how they work. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 hours ago, GrungnisBeard said: Hey all, was thinking about starting Stormcast and ran across the following army for sale. Is this a good base to start off with? The army comes out to a little over/under 1k. 2 X 5 Vanguard Hunters 1 X 3 Vanguard Palladors 1 X 3 Vanguard Raptors 1 X 3 Aetherwings 1 X Lord Aquilor 1 X Knight Venator 1 X Naeve Blacktalon ( or ran as Knight Zephyros) See if you can get a 2 for 1 deal, doubling up on all those units is an interesting enough list 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 10 hours ago, Turragor said: See if you can get a 2 for 1 deal, doubling up on all those units is an interesting enough list What's a 2 for 1 deal ? (Non native speaker here). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 46 minutes ago, Maturin said: What's a 2 for 1 deal ? (Non native speaker here). It's another way of saying "buy one get one free" - which is actually another of the marketing terms for it rather than the bare English meaning... But it's pretty descriptive. Depending on your native language you'll have a local equivalent. Yknow your local store has an offer on: buy one banana but get 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 15 minutes ago, Turragor said: It's another way of saying "buy one get one free" - which is actually another of the marketing terms for it rather than the bare English meaning... But it's pretty descriptive. Depending on your native language you'll have a local equivalent. Yknow your local store has an offer on: buy one banana but get 2 Yeah, well, I think, I should turn on the heater. 10 Degres C in my appartment. My brain might be freezing a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FattBooM666 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 On 1/4/2020 at 6:18 AM, Loptin said: Can anyone give an example shootcast list? Google and look through the thread several here. Or check tournament results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 According to many retailers the Paladins box is being taken off store shelves, to be either moved to direct only or discontinued entirely. I wonder if this means we will get a new Start Collecting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Williams Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 21 minutes ago, PJetski said: According to many retailers the Paladins box is being taken off store shelves, to be either moved to direct only or discontinued entirely. I wonder if this means we will get a new Start Collecting? I bought one of the boxes before aos2 and sacrosanct came out, then was horribly disappointed in their performance. Then starsoul maces got nerfed in the book - I took them to a game and rolled a few 1s and thought this is kinda garbage now... I have a very low opinion of the paladin models, but there's a few people in my hobby group who still think the are awesome for some reason.... on the whole however, I can't imagine anyone is buying them for anything other than aesthetics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) I need to buy at least 5 more. Possibly 10… Surely they'll just make them direct only. Edit: also decimators are ace against hordes, especially when there's a million of em on 25mm bases. And I must admit I'm enjoying poking over the top with my protectors at the moment! Edited January 6, 2020 by AdamR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schwabbele Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 I also got 13 and want 5 more . They can be awesome if you are able to get them save to their intended targets 🙂 and they just look badas* 🥰 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 16 hours ago, Mark Williams said: I bought one of the boxes before aos2 and sacrosanct came out, then was horribly disappointed in their performance. Then starsoul maces got nerfed in the book - I took them to a game and rolled a few 1s and thought this is kinda garbage now... I have a very low opinion of the paladin models, but there's a few people in my hobby group who still think the are awesome for some reason.... on the whole however, I can't imagine anyone is buying them for anything other than aesthetics. Its because they never "fixed" them. In points or otherwise. Retributors are just overcosted, Decimators and Protectors have too narrow an application for their cost and Evocators still outshine them in performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chord Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 I hope they don't discontinue the paladins! I love the look of the models and the lore, I just want them fixed. Discontinuing them means they will never get fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperAgent Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Knock all the paladins down a bit and let them be battleline in different stormhosts and you got yourself a bunch of great units. Who wouldn't take Retributors as battleline under 200 points? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alladinthepaladin Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, SleeperAgent said: Knock all the paladins down a bit and let them be battleline in different stormhosts and you got yourself a bunch of great units. Who wouldn't take Retributors as battleline under 200 points? Considering how wacky they went with the new KO Battletome (Frigates battleline??) This is not that far-fetched of an idea. Edited January 7, 2020 by Alladinthepaladin Early morning brain malfunction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperAgent Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Alladinthepaladin said: Considering how wacky they went with the new KO Battletome (Frigates battleline??) This is not that far-fetched of an idea. It's legitimately what I expect from all battletomes heading forwards. Imagine Desolators or Concussors as battleline EDIT: Considering FEC and Ogors IMAGINE DRAKESWORN TEMPLARS AS BATTLELINE!!!! Edited January 7, 2020 by SleeperAgent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schwabbele Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, SleeperAgent said: IMAGINE DRAKESWORN TEMPLARS AS BATTLELINE!!!! I would rather not, my wallet would hate me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evantas Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) On 1/7/2020 at 4:12 AM, PJetski said: According to many retailers the Paladins box is being taken off store shelves, to be either moved to direct only or discontinued entirely. I wonder if this means we will get a new Start Collecting? Aww ******. I just got one on sale. Was hoping for warscroll changes eventually. Hope that the start collecting box changes to something more coherent. Edited January 8, 2020 by Evantas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 On 1/7/2020 at 9:12 AM, schwabbele said: I would rather not, my wallet would hate me. Its about time they added this tho. or at the minimum made prosecutors battelline (its the only way theyll ever be used now, short of getting -1 rend on everything). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommissarRotke Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 On 1/6/2020 at 3:12 PM, PJetski said: According to many retailers the Paladins box is being taken off store shelves, to be either moved to direct only or discontinued entirely. I wonder if this means we will get a new Start Collecting? The full sprue box, or the original Start Collecting? Seems weird to take a whole kit off, but maybe the lack of sales from them being blech are showing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juicy Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 I just hope paladins and liberators get some kind of buff. Liberators some shield wall ability they should be more durable and paladins atleast a better save and some better damage output cause atm they aint doing much out of friendly games. Movement 4 nuff said 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 On 1/8/2020 at 3:25 PM, Juicy said: I just hope paladins and liberators get some kind of buff. Liberators some shield wall ability they should be more durable and paladins atleast a better save and some better damage output cause atm they aint doing much out of friendly games. Movement 4 nuff said The funny thing is their movement is 4'' because the idea is they wear so much sigmarite armor that it weighs them down. But apparently, we have things in the game that can be naked with a 4+ MW save with a 5+ armor save on top and spindly skeletons with a 3+ save, go figure. At this point SCE should just be 3+ saves like 40k marines across the board, all armies have enough MW or rend to make that 4+ or 5+ in combat anyway 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alladinthepaladin Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 6 hours ago, jhamslam said: The funny thing is their movement is 4'' because the idea is they wear so much sigmarite armor that it weighs them down. But apparently, we have things in the game that can be naked with a 4+ MW save with a 5+ armor save on top and spindly skeletons with a 3+ save, go figure. At this point SCE should just be 3+ saves like 40k marines across the board, all armies have enough MW or rend to make that 4+ or 5+ in combat anyway Frankly, for units like Paladins I would almost push for a terminator-like save, 2+. It wouldn’t necessarily make them top-shelf, and a Witch Elf with a 5+ rerollable 5+++ would still arguably be tougher, but would at least make them somewhat unique and give them another small advantage over Evocators. For all other SC, pretty much a flat +1 to armour across the board would be a good start. We don’t hit hard, but we should be able to engage a horde of skeletons with our heavier hitters and not be wiped in one turn of combat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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