Belper Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, crkhobbit said: Correct. In this preview of a small number of changes that will be in the book, the Extremis chamber, and countless other units, were left to die in the streets. Maybe they're changed in the book, but who cares about that when this "announcement" is so important! Of course, though apparently not nearly as important as being pedantic about jokey posts. You and Hammers have made it QUITE clear that feeling self-important in response to something tongue-in cheeck is the ABSOLUTE highest priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeElectrid Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 I’ve seen some of the SCE changes, Ballista 110 Evocators 220 Sequitors 130 but retain max size discount (440) All Lord Arcanum down 20 (except Tauralon o.o) Castellant 120 Prosecutors 90 NOT battleline Paladins all look 200 or less Havent seen any Vanguard. No changes to anything else (yes including Celestant Prime, Castigators, and Hounds ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, PrimeElectrid said: I’ve seen some of the SCE changes, Ballista 110 Evocators 220 Sequitors 130 but retain max size discount (440) All Lord Arcanum down 20 (except Tauralon o.o) Castellant 120 Prosecutors 90 NOT battleline Paladins all look 200 or less Havent seen any Vanguard. No changes to anything else (yes including Celestant Prime, Castigators, and Hounds ) They basically looked at the Gavriel Bomb and Dracoline Ballista combo and decided to nerf it despite it almost never showing up anymore great . Whered you see this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerOfSigmar Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, PrimeElectrid said: I’ve seen some of the SCE changes, Ballista 110 Evocators 220 Sequitors 130 but retain max size discount (440) All Lord Arcanum down 20 (except Tauralon o.o) Castellant 120 Prosecutors 90 NOT battleline Paladins all look 200 or less Havent seen any Vanguard. No changes to anything else (yes including Celestant Prime, Castigators, and Hounds ) I think paladins should be less, otherwise protector and decimator is unchanged, which is far from "generous cuts". The increase of sacrosanct chambers are still acceptable if it is true, since the most broken FEC and skaven might get nerfed at the beginning of July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeElectrid Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 There’s a few photos of some pages floating through various WhatsApp groups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, PrimeElectrid said: There’s a few photos of some pages floating through various WhatsApp groups No changes for Vandus or Dracothion Guard?What about the named Lord Arcanums, Astreia and Aventis? Edited June 14, 2019 by jhamslam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Alright i saw the changes - Celestar - 110 Aventis Firestrike - 340 Gavriel - 120 Lord Aquilor - 180 Arcanum - 20 points less on all Castellant - 120 Concussors - 240 Decimator - 180 Desolator - 220 Evocator -220 Prosecutors - 90 Retributor - 200 Tempestor - 200 Sequitor - 130 (THIS is the one im most mad about) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerOfSigmar Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Well, 20 points drop is not "generous cut" from my point of view..... Dracoths are unchanged... From those leaks, I would say that it makes some of my current list no longer valid and I don't see it can help me build some new competitive list with old SCE.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerOfSigmar Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, jhamslam said: Alright i saw the changes - Celestar - 110 Aventis Firestrike - 340 Gavriel - 120 Lord Aquilor - 180 Arcanum - 20 points less on all Castellant - 120 Concussors - 240 Decimator - 180 Desolator - 220 Evocator -220 Prosecutors - 90 Retributor - 200 Tempestor - 200 Sequitor - 130 (THIS is the one im most mad about) I think that's not everything, right? What about the vanguard chamber? Any changes for liberator? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 1 minute ago, HammerOfSigmar said: I think that's not everything, right? What about the vanguard chamber? Any changes for liberator? No liberator change, vanguard is still hidden. This was a leak from a Spanish battletome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chumphammer Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Sequitur also 440 for max Pic shees on my twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, HammerOfSigmar said: I think that's not everything, right? What about the vanguard chamber? Any changes for liberator? Duplicate Edited June 14, 2019 by jhamslam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ein Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 17 minutes ago, jhamslam said: Alright i saw the changes - Celestar - 110 Aventis Firestrike - 340 Gavriel - 120 Lord Aquilor - 180 Arcanum - 20 points less on all Castellant - 120 Concussors - 240 Decimator - 180 Desolator - 220 Evocator -220 Prosecutors - 90 Retributor - 200 Tempestor - 200 Sequitor - 130 (THIS is the one im most mad about) What the ****** is this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuroyume Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Wow, from those changes I think I may just shelve my golden boys for good(or until next ghb at least) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ein Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 1 minute ago, kuroyume said: Wow, from those changes I think I may just shelve my golden boys for good(or until next ghb at least) I think I agree on this.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerOfSigmar Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 So under the new points system, the shootcast is the only choice then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Williams Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, HammerOfSigmar said: So under the new points system, the shootcast is the only choice then? Yeah get ready for 6 months to a year of anvilstrike armies.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, HammerOfSigmar said: So under the new points system, the shootcast is the only choice then? Yep. Go thank Pjetski for introducing anvilstrike, its now THE list to play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 I HAVE THE VANGUARD CHANGES - @PJetski Longstrikes - 170 Hunters - 110 Pallador - 180 Hurricanes unchanged Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuroyume Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mark Williams said: Yeah get ready for 6 months to a year of anvilstrike armies.. Might as well go play 40k, pretty much the same thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagittarii Orientalis Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 If the alleged point leaks discussed so far are true, then those are in line with what Jervis Johnson revealed at March issue of White Dwarf: most point changes are in range of +/-10~20 points. I am not too surprised about 20 points increase on Evocators and 10 points increase on Celestar Ballista. In fact, I would consider it more mild than I expected, judging from seething anger against SCE by my friends at local club. Some of them were vehemently demanding straight 40 points increase on the Ballista! Anecdotes aside, these changes bring little to my current lists. Points increases are offset by decreases from other units, for example Lord-Arcanum and vanguard units. One exception is the Stardrake list: I either need to forego one of the heroes in order to keep the Stardrake and supporting units: Ballistas and Evocators. Time will tell, but I need to start tweaking lists more than before. P.S. The aforementioned leaks show Desolators as being 220 points. Does this mean Desolators' points cost has not changed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhamslam Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sagittarii Orientalis said: If the alleged point leaks discussed so far are true, then those are in line with what Jervis Johnson revealed at March issue of White Dwarf: most point changes are in range of +/-10~20 points. I am not too surprised about 20 points increase on Evocators and 10 points increase on Celestar Ballista. In fact, I would consider it more mild than I expected, judging from seething anger against SCE by my friends at local club. Some of them were vehemently demanding straight 40 points increase on the Ballista! Anecdotes aside, these changes bring little to my current lists. Points increases are offset by decreases from other units, for example Lord-Arcanum and vanguard units. One exception is the Stardrake list: I either need to forego one of the heroes in order to keep the Stardrake and supporting units: Ballistas and Evocators. Time will tell, but I need to start tweaking lists more than before. P.S. The aforementioned leaks show Desolators as being 220 points. Does this mean Desolators' points cost has not changed? i mistyped Desolators are now 200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The World Tree Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) Absolutely baffling changes. Ballista at 110 is probably fine - it is only remotely excessie in multiples of 4. Evocators and Sequitors going up is expected but also the wrong way of making the other options better. I can't understand why Liberators didn't change or Judicators. Or the Lord Exorcist. Edited June 14, 2019 by The World Tree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerOfSigmar Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sagittarii Orientalis said: If the alleged point leaks discussed so far are true, then those are in line with what Jervis Johnson revealed at March issue of White Dwarf: most point changes are in range of +/-10~20 points. I am not too surprised about 20 points increase on Evocators and 10 points increase on Celestar Ballista. In fact, I would consider it more mild than I expected, judging from seething anger against SCE by my friends at local club. Some of them were vehemently demanding straight 40 points increase on the Ballista! Anecdotes aside, these changes bring little to my current lists. Points increases are offset by decreases from other units, for example Lord-Arcanum and vanguard units. One exception is the Stardrake list: I either need to forego one of the heroes in order to keep the Stardrake and supporting units: Ballistas and Evocators. Time will tell, but I need to start tweaking lists more than before. P.S. The aforementioned leaks show Desolators as being 220 points. Does this mean Desolators' points cost has not changed? dracoths does change a little, concussor -20, desolator -20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuroyume Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, Sagittarii Orientalis said: If the alleged point leaks discussed so far are true It's true I've seen a photo of the actual page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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