Siegfried VII Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 10 hours ago, Gwill_of_the_Woods said: Quick question and reflection: I have been playing Meeting Engagements (before lockdown), and usually stay around the 1000-1250pt mark. I play Deepkin (Dhomhain - I have always loved the Realm of Beasts) and also Fyre Slayers. I noticed that the Fyreslayers were really able to get on to an objective and hold it, whereas with the IDK I felt that my strategy was to aggressively take objectives then retreat and retake if needed. Is this something that you also experience, or do you use specific units for holding objectives? With the exception perhaps of Ishlaen Guard Idoneth do not have a traditional anvil unit, so yes you play to kill the opponent so you can score the objectives.. You'll never have enough models to flood the objectives and as for Ishlaen Guard while they are very sturdy they are few models so they can lose objectives easily due to lack of numbers.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
testypickle99 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Hi I'm new to Idoneth Deepkin and have thought up this list below Enclave Feutan Volturnos general 270 Soulscryer 130 liliandras last lament 3 Ishlaen 140 3 Ishlaen 140 9 Morsarr 510 2 Allopexes 200 2 Allopexes 200 Leviadon 310 Akhelian Corps 100 Total points 2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
testypickle99 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Also something to add, I was subbing models to be others and got to play with the turtle. I will keep him no matter what because he was one wound away from death and pulled out 11 wounds! against a three up save! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarion Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 So Deepkin are getting spoiled with Broken Realms! Looks like new battalions, updated warscrolls for Allopex's, Leviadons and both Eidolons, and then introducing mount traits for Deepmares and Leviadons. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocKeule Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Lets hope the new warscrolls make especially the Leviadon and the Eidalons more viable options. A batallion that combines Namarti and Akhelians would be nice. (Apart from the Phalanx that barely anyone is able to field). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonnenspeer Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 If leviadons getting mount traits, does that mean the Ma’harr becomes a hero? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimDork Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) I’m mixed about this. On the one hand, I’m really excited for revised warscrolls, new battalions and mount traits etc. It all sounds great! On the other hand seems like we will need to purchase 2 books to be able to use it all? Tho I suppose the warscrolls will be updated on the app so can maybe just get the deepkin book? Wait n see I guess. EDIT - actually reading through the details again, looks like it will all be included in the Morathi book. What threw me was the description of the Bloodsurf Hunt, saying "combine this set with the rules found in Broken Realms:Morathi....." So, it looks like there will be a set (which if the picture below is what's included) featuring a king and 2 allopexes. Edited October 29, 2020 by GrimDork Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocKeule Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Since there are no signs of a new battletome yet I am willing to take anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midjithero Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 On 10/21/2020 at 9:24 AM, testypickle99 said: Hi I'm new to Idoneth Deepkin and have thought up this list below Enclave Feutan Volturnos general 270 Soulscryer 130 liliandras last lament 3 Ishlaen 140 3 Ishlaen 140 9 Morsarr 510 2 Allopexes 200 2 Allopexes 200 Leviadon 310 Akhelian Corps 100 Total points 2000 I’m doing this exact list, with the exception of Dhom-Hain also new to IDK, so not sure if Dhom-Hain or Feutan will be better for my local meta yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elves are the best Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 New blood surf hunt box set. I think it has a king and two allopexs in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocKeule Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Looks like there will be some kind of starter kits coming with the broken realms release for the four factions that will be updated that will contain all models for the new battalions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocKeule Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 11 hours ago, Elves are the best said: New blood surf hunt box set. I think it has a king and two allopexs in it That wouldn't be much of a battalion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhetoric Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 7 hours ago, DocKeule said: That wouldn't be much of a battalion. Allopex are getting new scrolls. Battalions have also changed a ton since the IDK book came out. Let’s be honest the new scrolls for IDK are a sigh of relief, points could not fix those units that have new scrolls coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocKeule Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 I am kind of hopeful on the new scrolls especially for the Leviadon and the Eidalons which I would love to field more often. But a battallion that contains two kinds of units and only up to three models? 🤷♂️ Otherwise I agree and would even go a step further. I think the Deepkin need a complete overhaul. Lets hope the three new warscrolls go in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolf Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 ye lets see.. maybe those can be taken as two units of allopex.. what I find a bit strange is the set-up of a box with a King in it, presumably most IDK players already own one of those and you wouldnt want 2... so just a shark box would kinda make more sense. Personally not complaining though as im kinda new to the army and already had one shark and the king on my wish list so this fits perfectly Also I'll take it as a good sign that neither turtle or eidolos got point decreases in the GHB so presumably they are indeed upping the power level of those scrolls to more fit what that amount of points can buy these days.. fingers crossed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocKeule Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 I 59 minutes ago, woolf said: ye lets see.. maybe those can be taken as two units of allopex.. I would guess so and probably 2-? One unit can contain up to four sharks so yes this battalion could get bigger, 1 hour ago, woolf said: what I find a bit strange is the set-up of a box with a King in it, presumably most IDK players already own one of those and you wouldnt want 2... so just a shark box would kinda make more sense. The king is on the front cover and it says three models so I think he will be in. Also somewhere there was a leak that all boxes apart from the SCE will be 90 $ and that would be too expensive for only two sharks. As fas as the second king goes...GW would want you to have Volturnos and a generic king 😉 I just hope we don't go from eel-meta to shark-meta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolf Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 28 minutes ago, DocKeule said: I I would guess so and probably 2-? One unit can contain up to four sharks so yes this battalion could get bigger, The king is on the front cover and it says three models so I think he will be in. Also somewhere there was a leak that all boxes apart from the SCE will be 90 $ and that would be too expensive for only two sharks. As fas as the second king goes...GW would want you to have Volturnos and a generic king 😉 I just hope we don't go from eel-meta to shark-meta. yes I agree with you, king is most def in there, my point was just that a shark box would have made more sense (eg 4 sharks or smth) guess the battalion is probably just exactly what is in the box, ie king +2 sharks... to your point on shark meta that is actually not far fetched, thing that makes eels oppressive seems to me more about the allegiance abilities and king buff... so it kinda comes down to points efficiency and if sharks get better it migth swing that way.. but maybe they make them beefier while reducing their move with the scroll re-write or something so let's see. I'm looking forward though! not much of a fan of any type of spam lists and I'm playing in group of friends setting only so not overly concerned also have been playing some meeting engagement and army comp rules there disqualifies spamming so in that context having more viable units works out great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocKeule Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 I would like to see Namarti being more of a valuable choice. As I understand the lore they would be the backbone oft most IDK armies. The cavalry would only be a small elite. BTW: There is a new article on the Moriathi book where we can se the index. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elves are the best Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 New battalion makes allopexes a bit better but gives loads of protection to the akhelian king. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 38 minutes ago, Elves are the best said: New battalion makes allopexes a bit better but gives loads of protection to the akhelian king. unless the list of units fitting in the battalion is formulated differently than what we have seen in the article today, the protection could also cover Volturnos (since it's linked to the keyword) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elves are the best Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 I'm a newish player would this count as a save after save or could this be used with the artefact that gives a 5 up against mortals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhetoric Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 I’m onboard with the new Battalion rules, that’s actually pretty nice to pass off some wounds to Allopex. Dying to see the new scrolls though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drazhoath Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 Next week I will play against an eternal conflag shooting heavy list. Do you think I have a chance with a Ishlaen heavy list (fast, ignore rend)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drofnum Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Drazhoath said: Next week I will play against an eternal conflag shooting heavy list. Do you think I have a chance with a Ishlaen heavy list (fast, ignore rend)? You basically get to choose what they shoot at. I havent played against that list but you should have a chance at least, just make sure you screen your important pieces with the Ishlaen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NkfPanda Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 I was really hoping for the battalion to buff our Namarti in some way to make them more playable in comp settings as well and not feel like a tax. Still holding out hope for the new warscrolls. Essentially, we have really strong units in Eels and Volty but everything else needs to be buffed and playstyles need changing as more options are needed. I love Deepkin and the Lore but they are sitting in storage while I play with my KO at this time. I just got sick of Eel spam and wait for High Tide. I know you can play narrative and fluffy casual games without this but having options that make your army feel different is nice and being able to enjoy casual and competitive is important to me personally. I play Harlequins in 40k and the small unit count can just do so much while Deepkin after enough games just feel a little stale. Fingers crossed though :p. I don't like being a negative neckbeard but IDK need some changes; the Warhammer Weekly episode dedicated to them was great if anyone is interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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