Mikelomba Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Is there any good list that doesnt run 18 eels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N_Watson Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 37 minutes ago, Mikelomba said: Is there any good list that doesnt run 18 eels? There is no good list that doesn't have 12+ eels. Got a few at 12-15-18 eels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelomba Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 What about 12 eels and turtle or aspect of storm.. idont usually see those 2. Its because they dont preform well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke1705 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Mikelomba said: What about 12 eels and turtle or aspect of storm.. idont usually see those 2. Its because they dont preform well? Turtle is not a high performer. Eidolon of the storm is definitely good. It’s just tough to fit him, a tidecaster, 3 battleline, and 12 - 15 eels into a list. You kind of get into a weird points breakdown. Could do: tidecaster eidolon soulscryer 15 eels 30 thralls/reavers Puts you right at 1980 and you would not be sad with your results Edited April 3, 2019 by Luke1705 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddpainting Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 If you do take the Eidolon make sure to give him Ethereal Amulet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelven supremacy Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Maddpainting said: If you do take the Eidolon make sure to give him Ethereal Amulet Or mortal wound protection (Ignax) depending on match-up. The issue with the amulet is that the Eidolon loses the benefit of cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke1705 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Aelven supremacy said: Or mortal wound protection (Ignax) depending on match-up. The issue with the amulet is that the Eidolon loses the benefit of cover. I mean he's charging almost every turn so..... Also don't most sigmar events require you to keep your artifact and command trait the same for the entire event? I love that almost all 40k events let you swap them out game by game at a multi-round event, but I haven't seen AoS events where that is the case. If it were, I could see an argument to be made based on matchups for sure. As is, it just seems like the amulet is better for most situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke1705 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, N_Watson said: There is no good list that doesn't have 12+ eels. Got a few at 12-15-18 eels. Do you think there is a down side to having more, like my 24 eel list? Other than being 5 drops instead of 4 Edited April 3, 2019 by Luke1705 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelomba Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 What about a aspect of the sea.. deep stricking with eels.. he can buff his bravery in case they get stuck in fight I got no problem with eels i just dont like to spam the same unit in the army. Also in case they get nerf, u have other stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N_Watson Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Luke1705 said: Do you think there is a down side to having more, like my 24 eel list? Other than being 5 drops instead of 4 I'm not a fan. Eels are actually more fragile than they look and its low bodies as is with Namarti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddpainting Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Aelven supremacy said: Or mortal wound protection (Ignax) depending on match-up. The issue with the amulet is that the Eidolon loses the benefit of cover. He cant get cover anyways tho... he has more than 8 wounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke1705 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 30 minutes ago, N_Watson said: I'm not a fan. Eels are actually more fragile than they look and its low bodies as is with Namarti. I do like the twist your northern masters list incorporated with the heartrenders and the auto unbind instead of eels 19-24. I personally am just allergic to DoK but I can definitely see the appeal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azamar Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 22 minutes ago, Maddpainting said: He cant get cover anyways tho... he has more than 8 wounds. It’s models with the monster or war machine keywords that have 8 or more wounds that can’t get the cover bonus. The eidolon is neither, so will benefit from cover, as will the king/ Volturnos. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddpainting Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) For some reason i thought he was a monster, oh well thats good to know. And i knew King could, tho i put it on him a lot anyways b.c that way i can attack with the mount without him taking the -1 to saves. Edited April 3, 2019 by Maddpainting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killamike Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Consider gildenbane on your eidolon too. Turning off artifacts allows your wave bro to do his job better. Ethereal is fine but doesn't stop mortals or bulk attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undeadly Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 I'm thinking about jumping back into my Idoneth Deepkin army after having sold most of it off prior, due to me botching my first paint jobs on the Eels and Thralls. Currently, all I have right now is the Gloomtide shipwreck, an Akhelian King/Volturnos, a Tidecaster and the book itself. My first thought is that I would like to try something featuring the lesser used units of IDK, primarily the Reavers and the Leviadon; I know for certain that I do not want to touch Thralls what so ever, since they are far too fragile, both game and model wise. Eels are something I might have some interest in later, but they are not necessarily something I want to entirely go all in on. Currently, I just to want to build to 1000 points, so that I can get the army done and have an Order army. For my first list, I was thinking something like this: Allegiance: Idoneth Deepkin- Enclave: FuethanAkhelian King (240)- Artefact: Terrornight Venom Isharann Tidecaster (100)- General- Trait: Lord of Storm and Sea - Lore of the Deeps: Tide of Fear10 x Namarti Reavers (140)10 x Namarti Reavers (140)Akhelian Leviadon (380)Total: 1000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 20Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 48 The idea is that I want to fluff them out as a bit of a poorer Enclave, that has created its home in a Ghur ocean, hidden in a massive graveyard of shipwrecks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikelomba Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Has anyone try a list with the sylvaneth batallion? Could be fun get some magic and screen bodys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrion King Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 On 4/3/2019 at 12:02 AM, Luke1705 said: I’ve been looking at James Tinsdale’s list recently, which placed pretty well at the most recent event he took it to. It is attached at the end of this post. Three things I’m not sure I’m sold on (James if you’re reading this please convince me) 1) Namarti corps. Extra artifact great. Less drops love it. Basically only costs 50 points (although a tough sell with needing a fourth Namarti unit so maybe the real “cost” is closer to 190) 2) Soulrender over a second soulscryer. Is the regen on units that I presume are basically going to salute and die worth giving up eel deep strike flexibility (and potential +6 on charges if the stars align)? 3) Do we really need an extra command point? We get one first turn anyway and the eels can deep strike. Do eels evaporate so fast that we need 2 to stop battleshock before our second hero phase? People who aren’t James feel free to wildly speculate or throw out educated opinions. I’m thinking about going more down the eel spam route for my competitive list (I desperately love the model so it’s great) I’m thinking: (Fuethan) Tidecaster (General, born from agony) 2 x Soulscryer (1 with cloud) 2 x 9 morrsar 6 morrsarr 3 x 10 thralls (or maybe 2 thralls 1 reaver) 2k on the dot Would love to know why this isn’t better than James’ list (I assume he’s playtested and it’s not) Hey @Luke1705 Thanks for checking out my list! I see you have a few questions! My boi @N_Watson seems to have covered my decision go go to 5 drops for Sheffield Slaughter (3rd), Heat 1 (1st) , my local 1 Dayer (1st) and recently this weekend the Justice GT (8th). I’ve lost 2 games all season. Both to Gristlegore piloted by top players. This is one of the primary reasons to be low drops. However to your points: 1) The tax is irrelevant. It’s the only functional battalion we have that allows us to have 3 scoring heroes in arcane places of power. Not to mention it reduces the list to 5 drops. Reavers are not a tax. They are our answer to Gristlegore and need to be learnt. There is simply a difficulty curve in using them. I know many deepkin players arn’t me but trust me, learn to use this unit. 2 attacks each in combat and can be screens. 2) I rarely start my Eels off the board. The ability to move 20’ first turn and charge with +3 can hit any unit. Coming on limits your options. For a while a second scryer has been redundant for me. The Render can fight in combat and restoring models can keep your thralls in the fight and score objectives otherwise lost. 3) Yes command points are super important. Having 2, going to 3 turn 1 means you can guarentee your eels 20 if you need to. Not to mention inspire a screen against 1 drop Sylv alpha before restoring the unit in your turn. I cannot emphasise enough how useful these are to our army. In regards to your list, I ran something similar with a Storm and some Heartrenders at Blood and Glory last year. Play what you enjoy! See you on the Sea’s Deepkin bro x 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke1705 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Carrion King said: Hey @Luke1705 Thanks for checking out my list! I see you have a few questions! My boi @N_Watson seems to have covered my decision go go to 5 drops for Sheffield Slaughter (3rd), Heat 1 (1st) , my local 1 Dayer (1st) and recently this weekend the Justice GT (8th). I’ve lost 2 games all season. Both to Gristlegore piloted by top players. This is one of the primary reasons to be low drops. However to your points: 1) The tax is irrelevant. It’s the only functional battalion we have that allows us to have 3 scoring heroes in arcane places of power. Not to mention it reduces the list to 5 drops. Reavers are not a tax. They are our answer to Gristlegore and need to be learnt. There is simply a difficulty curve in using them. I know many deepkin players arn’t me but trust me, learn to use this unit. 2 attacks each in combat and can be screens. 2) I rarely start my Eels off the board. The ability to move 20’ first turn and charge with +3 can hit any unit. Coming on limits your options. For a while a second scryer has been redundant for me. The Render can fight in combat and restoring models can keep your thralls in the fight and score objectives otherwise lost. 3) Yes command points are super important. Having 2, going to 3 turn 1 means you can guarentee your eels 20 if you need to. Not to mention inspire a screen against 1 drop Sylv alpha before restoring the unit in your turn. I cannot emphasise enough how useful these are to our army. In regards to your list, I ran something similar with a Storm and some Heartrenders at Blood and Glory last year. Play what you enjoy! See you on the Sea’s Deepkin bro x Thanks for the responses James. Tbh I was under the influence of some sort of febrile delirium thinking the soulscryer reduced the amount of drops in the list by allowing his friends to count as 1 drop with him. Personally I like 18 eels more than 24 anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrion King Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Luke1705 said: Thanks for the responses James. Tbh I was under the influence of some sort of febrile delirium thinking the soulscryer reduced the amount of drops in the list by allowing his friends to count as 1 drop with him. Personally I like 18 eels more than 24 anyway. Key is to enjoy your games, enjoy the army! If your ever at an event I’m at, Come chat Deepkin with me anytime! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke1705 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, Carrion King said: Key is to enjoy your games, enjoy the army! If your ever at an event I’m at, Come chat Deepkin with me anytime! I also like to play hard haha. One of my regular sparring partners plays that Sylvaneth alpha bunker you mentioned with Morathi and 6 hunters plus Dryads for days. Definitely will keep an eye out but I’m on the other side of the pond. If you’re ever in the northeast United States though, definitely give a holler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tizianolol Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Anyone guys know the heat 1 winner list of idoneth deepkin ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStreicher Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 39 minutes ago, Tizianolol said: Anyone guys know the heat 1 winner list of idoneth deepkin ? A lot of eels. That‘s probably it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whispersofblood Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Tidecaster Soulscryer Min namarti corps 18 morrsarr Of the top of my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrion King Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Tizianolol said: Anyone guys know the heat 1 winner list of idoneth deepkin ? My list was: Allegiance: Idoneth Deepkin- Enclave: FuethanMortal Realm: AqshyIsharann Tidecaster (100)- General- Trait: Born From Agony - Lore of the Deeps: Steed of TidesIsharann Soulscryer (100)- Artefact: Cloud of Midnight Isharann Soulrender (100)- Artefact: Thermalrider Cloak 10 x Namarti Reavers (140)10 x Namarti Reavers (140)10 x Namarti Thralls (140)10 x Namarti Thralls (140)9 x Akhelian Morrsarr Guard (480)9 x Akhelian Morrsarr Guard (480)Namarti Corps (100)Total: 1920 / 2000Extra Command Points: 2Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 127 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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