Ajay29 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 Just got a complete brayherd army today... twiddling my thumbs waiting for the new battletome, I wanna know what my new stuff does! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123lac Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 On 9/2/2018 at 7:40 AM, Ajay29 said: Just got a complete brayherd army today... twiddling my thumbs waiting for the new battletome, I wanna know what my new stuff does! It probably won't happen (because they aren't stormcast) but I'd love to see Beastmen become the new top tier army. Would be great to see them get time in the sun. I don't even play Beastmen, though I like the models. I have my fingers crossed that the Battletome gives some really powerful new rules for them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgersinMeadows Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 What do you guys think of Ungor Raiders? I like the models and would love to field quite a few of these fellows. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajay29 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 37 minutes ago, 123lac said: It probably won't happen (because they aren't stormcast) but I'd love to see Beastmen become the new top tier army. Would be great to see them get time in the sun. I don't even play Beastmen, though I like the models. I have my fingers crossed that the Battletome gives some really powerful new rules for them. I don’t even want them to be a top tier army. I already get grumbles when I get my nurgle out, I just want some decent battalions, some wild spells and enough warscroll changes to have a fighting chance on the battlefield against everything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Yellow_Sign Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Atreides said: What do you guys think of Ungor Raiders? I like the models and would love to field quite a few of these fellows. I like having a ranged unit, and Ungor Raiders are all we've got atm. They're not bad though; a big unit of 40 to keep those rerolls of 1's and 2's going is pretty effective. Unfortunately with the changes to terrain rules they're not as effective as they used to be when you put them down next to the herdstone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClockworkGeo91 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 Anyone drawing up so BoC lists yet? Of course we don't know what units are effective and what synergies we can have, but very stoked I can finally add some Goats to my (up to now) pure Warherds army, without worrying about the 400pt limit For my 1.5k with the units I have, I'm thinking this (not meant to be hugely competitive): LEADERS Beastlord (90) - Pair of Man-ripper Axes Great Bray Shaman (100) Doombull (120) - General - Command Trait : Lord of War - Pair of Axes - Artefact : Crown of Conquest UNITS 10 x Bestigors (120) 20 x Gors (160) -Gor-Blades & Beastshields 3 x Bullgors (160) -Great Axes 3 x Bullgors (160) -Great Axes 3 x Bullgors (160) -Great Axes BEHEMOTHS Cygor (180) Ghorgon (200) ENDLESS SPELLS Aethervoid Pendulum (40) Anyone else pre planning? Of course my pendulum may well be replaced by a new endless spell So excited! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMMachine Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 50 minutes ago, ClockworkGeo91 said: Anyone drawing up so BoC lists yet? Of course we don't know what units are effective and what synergies we can have, but very stoked I can finally add some Goats to my (up to now) pure Warherds army, without worrying about the 400pt limit For my 1.5k with the units I have, I'm thinking this (not meant to be hugely competitive): LEADERS Beastlord (90) - Pair of Man-ripper Axes Great Bray Shaman (100) Doombull (120) - General - Command Trait : Lord of War - Pair of Axes - Artefact : Crown of Conquest UNITS 10 x Bestigors (120) 20 x Gors (160) -Gor-Blades & Beastshields 3 x Bullgors (160) -Great Axes 3 x Bullgors (160) -Great Axes 3 x Bullgors (160) -Great Axes BEHEMOTHS Cygor (180) Ghorgon (200) ENDLESS SPELLS Aethervoid Pendulum (40) Anyone else pre planning? Of course my pendulum may well be replaced by a new endless spell So excited! As long as Brayherds are allies there is a problem in the list. Since 2.0 you need 3 Units of the Allegiance for every 1 allied unit (this is in Matched Play too). With your 4 Brayherd Units you would need 12 Warherd Units but there are only 6 in the List. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClockworkGeo91 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 38 minutes ago, EMMachine said: As long as Brayherds are allies there is a problem in the list. Since 2.0 you need 3 Units of the Allegiance for every 1 allied unit (this is in Matched Play too). With your 4 Brayherd Units you would need 12 Warherd Units but there are only 6 in the List. My assumption will be that there will be a 'new allegiance' within the Beasts Of Chaos Battletome which will remove the need for such considerations 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMMachine Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ClockworkGeo91 said: My assumption will be that there will be a 'new allegiance' within the Beasts Of Chaos Battletome which will remove the need for such considerations The problem is, we don't know yet, what the Battletome will give us (except for the Endless Spells and the Stone). We don't know if Bullgors will be "Battleline if" in a new Allegiance or if they will stay battleline in Warherds (like Blood Knights are still only Battleline in a Soulblight Army, not in the Legions. I would wait with those assumptions until we have evidence what the Battletome will give us. Edited September 3, 2018 by EMMachine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClockworkGeo91 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, EMMachine said: The problem is, we don't know yet. We don't know if Bullgors will be "Battleline if" in a new Allegiance or if they will stay battleline in Warherds (like Blood Knights are still only Battleline in a Soulblight Army, not in the Legions. I would wait with those assumptions until we have evidence what the Battletome will give us. I understand your pragmatism - however I am making assumptions based upon what we saw with LoN and this: I think it is fair to say it will be a 'single army' - with a 'overlapping allegiance' that means we can use Goats and Bulls in a single force without worrying about 'allies'. I take your point about bullgors being battle line - list above could be easily fixed by splitting up/or adding gors. I'd highly doubt they will bring us a tome and keep these forces splintered, so I will feel free to conceptualize lists based on the positive mindset that BoC will allow us to build a single army with bulls and goats as one again/ Edited September 3, 2018 by ClockworkGeo91 Grammar is tough man 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMMachine Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, ClockworkGeo91 said: I understand your pragmatism - however I am making assumptions based upon what we saw with LoN and this: I think it is fair to say it will be a 'single army' - with a 'overlapping allegiance' that means we can use Goats and Bulls in a single force without worrying about 'allies'. This could simply mean, that they have one Allegiance but need Gors and/or Ungors as Battleline because those two are true battlelines. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClockworkGeo91 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, EMMachine said: This could simply mean, that they have one Allegiance but need Gors and/or Ungors as Battleline because those two are true battlelines. Could very well be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenshin620 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 It still really confuses me why Soulblight in LoN exists when they also made the Vampire-Centric Legion of Blood (yes I know they're 2 different allegiances, with soulblight giving blood knight battleline, but why didn't they just combined them?). Hopefully they learned their lesson and don't have 2 similarly themed allegiances (like Warherd vs Bloodfeast Gorgers or something). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldshrimpeyes Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Managed to score an absolute gem of an army from a social media friend. 1 Dragon Ogre Shaggoth 3 Dragon Ogres 20 Gors 20 Ungors 10 Bestigors 2 Shaman 2 Beast Lords Im already in possession of 30 Tzaangors so looks like I'm off to a decent start. Just need to wait for the battletome so I can start to work out what's what. Really looking forward to release now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClockworkGeo91 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Oldshrimpeyes said: Managed to score an absolute gem of an army from a social media friend. 1 Dragon Ogre Shaggoth 3 Dragon Ogres 20 Gors 20 Ungors 10 Bestigors 2 Shaman 2 Beast Lords Im already in possession of 30 Tzaangors so looks like I'm off to a decent start. Just need to wait for the battletome so I can start to work out what's what. Really looking forward to release now. That is a pretty sweet start! Jealous of your Tzaangors and Dragon Ogres! Grab a Ghorgon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldshrimpeyes Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 What's the appeal of the ghorgon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldshrimpeyes Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Just read the Warscroll. I'm getting one! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Cabbage Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 (edited) On 8/28/2018 at 10:58 PM, Popisdead said: Well those operate differently. With the newly named Unpredictable Destruction and an MSU style play you would probably lean too heavily on the one doombull and that's not the true horde style. It isn't uncommon to have Doombulls hitting and wounding on 2s already. How did you get a Chaos Sorcerer lord in a Warherd or Brayherd army? Sounds like generic chaos? Yes generic Chaos as I only have 1K of Warherds. I fill the rest with Khorne. Their job it to screen units, tie things up, and do other useless things like grab objectives. But its all a distraction from the real objective which is to plow my giant cows into combat and chop the enemy to pieces! In all seriousness, I take the Artifact on one Doombull, my general is another, and the other buffs come from spell casters (CSL and a Bray Shaman). So it is all fairly spread around. I can make a super crazy Doombull, or pile the buffs onto another unit and leave the Doombull alone since the artefact is damn good by itself. So far getting the extra attacks more reliably (+ to wound stacking) seems better than having extra damage per hit, but I haven't found a mathhammer site/app that can reliably calculate if that is really true. In any case the CSL's re-roll ability is the best thing out there for Warherd units, since every hit counts, and potentially counts double! Edited September 4, 2018 by Colonel Cabbage Spelling and missing word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClockworkGeo91 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Oldshrimpeyes said: Just read the Warscroll. I'm getting one! Good move! He's a great center piece aside from anything else, so is an attention soak. As you have read he has some great attacks, but can be total hit or miss. For an example of a hit, see this battle report - look what he does on his first turn and then the attention he gets: Yes he can completely whiff and his save isn't great but again he can get a good roll and eat a unit and will certainly give your opponent a distraction! All for only 200pts, he is definitely worth those points. Plus he looks sweeeeeet. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popisdead Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 That was a good bat rep. Mark Shoemaker created the FB Wanderer group and a champion of AoS in the early days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalassic Monstrosity Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 The GW webstore has all the Beasts of Chaos models listed under Brayherds. There's nothing unexpected there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michu Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 Some models stayed as Warherds. That probably means we're going to have additional allegiance in the book (or it's a mistake). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decker_cky Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 (edited) Yeah, as expected: brayherd allegiance warherd allegiance thunderscorn allegiance tzaangor stuff, and a selection from monsters of chaos. From monsters of chaos: jabberslythe centigors gargant chimera cockatrice, and razorgor. So far no big surprises (aside from 3 flying monsters, including 2 finecast, making the cut), and no new or returned units that weren't included in the grand alliance. Also no beastlord with great weapon. Edited September 8, 2018 by decker_cky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michu Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 12 minutes ago, decker_cky said: Also no beastlord with great weapon. Wait, we lose this option? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izotzuhure Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 I wonder if characters on chariots will be back, or even razorgor chariots... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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