Maddpainting Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Looking good all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrdin Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 (edited) So it seems Beasts are getting cheaper and cheaper... while that is nice for sure, we really need actual rules update and warscroll rework, not just endless price cuts. Link towards the new "Battlescroll" update from 21.12.2021 for all factions, pic below just for BoC https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/XTPR7PzBSVcNAAOd.pdf Edited December 21, 2021 by Myrdin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Don't worry there was a balance change for beasts if you run them as coaliton units in a god marked army. Thankfully they nerfed the terrible rules abuse that saw god marked beasts taking all the top tables by removing it entirely! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salyx Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 It is one the allegiance abilitiea that have been removed. In my case (Khorne) that changes nothing for coalition beasts, since all the buffs are limited to Khorne units and still work. I do Not know, however, how These rules impact other god-apecific armies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Salyx said: It is one the allegiance abilitiea that have been removed. In my case (Khorne) that changes nothing for coalition beasts, since all the buffs are limited to Khorne units and still work. I do Not know, however, how These rules impact other god-apecific armies. They can't benefit from slaughterhosts (niche issue where they were getting some bonuses such as Khul giving them rerolls in goretide) and more importantly a block of bullgor can no longer fight in the hero phase or fight on death due to blood tithe. They still currently benefit from Mark of the slayer, bloodsecrator, wrathmonger, blood blessings, etc. But I expect that to change when khorne gets an actual book. It's less about power level and more about them just not being willing to say "we don't know how to balance this thing that isnt broken so please stop trying to play it" Dont take away our batallions to god mark and replace them with worse coalition rules if they dont even want us to use coalition rules. Edited December 21, 2021 by The Red King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Shepard Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Its amazing how this change didn't touch Bestigors but they now feel so much worse now that they are more expensive than both Bullgors and Dragon Ogors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddpainting Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Chaos Shepard said: Its amazing how this change didn't touch Bestigors but they now feel so much worse now that they are more expensive than both Bullgors and Dragon Ogors. This was my biggest issue with it.... But oh boy are DOs and Bullgors better. Edited December 22, 2021 by Maddpainting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skreech Verminking Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 4 hours ago, Maddpainting said: This was my biggest issue with it.... But oh boy are DOs and Bullgors better. so I guess Dos spamming armies can now be considered a horde army. Their only purpose, dying in droves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddpainting Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Skreech Verminking said: so I guess Dos spamming armies can now be considered a horde army. Their only purpose, dying in droves. They are a bit more tanky than you would think. But I could see 18 in an army now, thats only 750pts, they are 8.33 points per wounds, thats 0.83ppm more than Gors and DOs are better in almost every way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddpainting Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Now I want to play lists like this... thanks GW for making it even more DO/Cockatrice focus and leaving Brayherds off the table. Yeah I have Grashrak but only bc Herdstone and his spell. Shaggoth 155 Shaggoth 155 Grashrak 150 Dragon Ogres x6 250 Dragon Ogres x6 250 Dragon Ogres x3 125 Dragon Ogres x3 125 Dragon Ogres x3 125 Grashrak's Despoilers Cockatrice 95 Cockatrice 95 Cockatrice 95 Cockatrice 95 Cockatrice 95 Cockatrice 95 Cockatrice 95 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Shepard Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Now if only they would take the time to adjust the summoning points. Given these new point costs, a Ghorgon shouldn't cost more than 7 or 8 and its clearn that the Cygor, Dragon Ogors, and Bullgors should only cost 6 Premortal Call points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddpainting Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Yep, been asking for that for a bit now, and even more so now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derptau Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Well. Considering my list as of late has been all dragon ogres and I've done very well with them, this is going to be scary for my local meta. Outside of our summoning staying the same, this feels like a really really good update for beasts. We've been meta-breakers, but this may be a bit too much for some armies to deal with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddpainting Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 What was your list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derptau Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Maddpainting said: What was your list? 2X Shaggoth (1 with horn of the tempest and 1 with father of the storm) 3X6 Drogors with Crushers 1X Ghorgon 1X centigor One-eyed Grunnock Previous to this list I was using Grunnock's points for more ghorgon and filling in whatever. Hilariously, the only one to stop me at the last GT from going 5-0 was a teclis list, which the ghorgon spam iteration just doesn't care about. Edited December 22, 2021 by Derptau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skreech Verminking Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, Maddpainting said: Now I want to play lists like this... thanks GW for making it even more DO/Cockatrice focus and leaving Brayherds off the table. Yeah I have Grashrak but only bc Herdstone and his spell. Shaggoth 155 Shaggoth 155 Grashrak 150 Dragon Ogres x6 250 Dragon Ogres x6 250 Dragon Ogres x3 125 Dragon Ogres x3 125 Dragon Ogres x3 125 Grashrak's Despoilers Cockatrice 95 Cockatrice 95 Cockatrice 95 Cockatrice 95 Cockatrice 95 Cockatrice 95 Cockatrice 95 Looking at it, Spamming the currently cheapest units seem like a legit strategy. this is a list I just came up with and it is kinda hilarious how cheap those units have become: Allegiance: Beasts of Chaos - Grand Strategy: None Chosen - Triumphs: Leaders Dragon Ogor Shaggoth (185) Doombull (115) Doombull (115) Battleline Units 6 x Dragon Ogors (300) - 06x Draconic War glaives - Reinforced x 1 6 x Dragon Ogors (300) - 06x Draconic War glaives - Reinforced x 1 3 x Dragon Ogors (150) - 03x Draconic War glaives 6 x Bullgors (310) - Great Axes - Reinforced x 1 6 x Bullgors (310) - Great Axes - Reinforced x 1 3 x Dragon Ogors (150) - 03x Draconic War glaives 1 x Cockatrice (95) Behemoths Cygor (140) Cygor (140) Cygor (140) Cygor (140) Total: 2590 / 2000 Reinforced Units: 4 / 4 Allies: 0 / 400 Wounds: 228 Drops: 14 with the old points this would be 600 points over the limit, yet with the points changes it is a 2000 points list exactly. edit: as fun as the current price seems to be, I’m really hoping that the next book will have the units at their fluff. it is kinda stupid, when elite gigantic warriors, of which only a few are left, of which each has the power to lay down a city by themself, starts costing like some green-thing spore, that comes in numbers of a thousand. I guess dragon ogors weren’t as extinct as we thought. they really must be multiplying like rabbits😜each day. Edited December 22, 2021 by Skreech Verminking 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddpainting Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 My actual list I will be running is more like this Gargant or Khorne DP Shaggoth AA/MoM Shaman/Garshrak X hero (Tshaman or Doom) DO's x3 Optional 6 DO's x3 DO's x3 TEoF or Bullgors TEoF or Bullgors Centigors x1 or x2 Chariot x1 or x2 Depending on main Ally hero, will be Chimeras or Cockatrices I have 3 Chimeras and 3 Cockatrices but now with DO's so cheap, I might do more of them and a Mega. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarband Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Hi about bullgor and ghorghon spam? Some one use this list ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popisdead Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 On 12/21/2021 at 6:29 PM, Maddpainting said: This was my biggest issue with it.... But oh boy are DOs and Bullgors better. How much better for Bullgors? (warherd)? 21 hours ago, Skarband said: Hi about bullgor and ghorghon spam? Some one use this list ? I have 24 Bullgors. I was thinking about taking a unit of 9 BL. But to do that I lose DOs as BL which is our better choice... I know 9 Bullgors struggles with a few mechanics. I also have 3 Ghorgons and a Cygor. I liked running them last edition but they weren't good. And I don't own enough cockatrices (1,.. so yeah) to make the MW spam work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Shepard Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) Mass Warherd is more viable now than it was before. I would recommend bringing the Taurus or the Sphiranx to manipulate the attack sequence to offset the units' lack of defense. Edited January 5, 2022 by Chaos Shepard 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popisdead Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 On 1/5/2022 at 10:02 AM, Chaos Shepard said: Mass Warherd is more viable now than it was before. I would recommend bringing the Taurus or the Sphiranx to manipulate the attack sequence to offset the units' lack of defense. Oh yeah? hmmm interesting. Got any suggestions? I was reading the Hedonite thread and someone had Sigvald work 12 Bullgors and a Doombull but,.. i mean,.. that's kinda on part for points and stats... I bought a Sphiranx and returned it for something else. I quite like the model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feorag Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 14 hours ago, Popisdead said: Oh yeah? hmmm interesting. Got any suggestions? I was reading the Hedonite thread and someone had Sigvald work 12 Bullgors and a Doombull but,.. i mean,.. that's kinda on part for points and stats... I had sigvald go through near enough 2 units of bulls this weekend, coherency ruins something that could be truly devastating! I also used to run bulls in my godseeker list before the change to get that extra rend and +2 to charge, not so much anymore though. At the moment in my beasts lists I'm just running tzaangor enlightened instead of bulls mainly because of the reach. I have an aim of trying msu bulls but I think it may fall flat due to them suffering from anything at all swinging at them first! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popisdead Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Looks like,.. something... coming. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popisdead Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 10 hours ago, Feorag said: I have an aim of trying msu bulls but I think it may fall flat due to them suffering from anything at all swinging at them first! Back in the day (6th ed Fantasy) there was a couple guys who used to run Khorne MSU Minotaur lists. I think 4-5 with Dual HWs which was like 20 attacks? But they had better WS. I ran MSU bulls in AoS 1 (with points but pre 2nd ed book) and liked it. I would love to run it again. I just wish that as elite troops they didn't hit on 4s but instead 3s. I hate how they are so subject to dice spiking. Granted a Doombull, Ghorgon and 3 Bullgors should be able to do some dmg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salyx Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 My good old 4 A S 6 Khorne Minotaurs.... 😄 With the latest point drops and extra rules, MSU Minotaur/Bullgor seem quite viable to me. In a 2000 points list, you could squeeze up to 14 units into an army. Too bad they cannot get the Khorne Mark and ally in some attacks 😃 I would team them up into 2 units of 3 back to back so that you can always get some attacks in without having to worry about the opponent going first. If the opponent goes first, the front unit will take damage, but the back unit will be able to pile in. If the front unit goes first, it can get their hits in, take damage and the second unit will still be able to pile in. On the charge, they should both make contact for extra Mortal Wounds. I played something similar with Skullcrushers and it worked quite well, so I guess, it is not a bad idea. Another spam list I am thniking about: What about the Cockatrice spam? Can you still take as many as you like and do they benefit from Monster rules? That would be really massive, being able to do D6 (shooting)+D3 (Monstrous Rampage) Mortals per Cockatrice. You would still lose some points due to Monsters slain, but you can get some back by completing your objectives with Monsters. If a Cockatrice spam still works, I would put it above Bullgor spam in power level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.