Chopper Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I'm hoping fo a bit of a boost to the Manticore too, Galrauch will be my model of choice, ridden by a Darkoath Warqueen. Work is progressing slowly, but getting there! 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JangutzKhan Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Surely most of the warscrolls get a boost, if not weapons than at least command abilities/abilities. Some rend would be nice on the manticore. Also, any news on Chaos Chosen? Phased out, new models or keeping the resin ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 24 minutes ago, JangutzKhan said: Surely most of the warscrolls get a boost, if not weapons than at least command abilities/abilities. Some rend would be nice on the manticore. Also, any news on Chaos Chosen? Phased out, new models or keeping the resin ones? I don't expect a lot of changes (read= almost zero) on the warscrolls. A bit rend here and there, maybe wounds and rules (abilities/commands). But I think that we'll get the most out of the batallions ond synergies (traits/relics etc...). Maybe some balance on the manticore. The choosen are the elite of our (already) elite army. They can't get rid of them. So, for now, I don't see some change. They are already hard hitters. But maybe some rules to make them move faster via spells or something. The minis show their age especially if they go side by side with the new (SC!) chaos warriors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JangutzKhan Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, GeneralZero said: I don't expect a lot of changes (read= almost zero) on the warscrolls. A bit rend here and there, maybe wounds and rules (abilities/commands). But I think that we'll get the most out of the batallions ond synergies (traits/relics etc...). Maybe some balance on the manticore. The choosen are the elite of our (already) elite army. They can't get rid of them. So, for now, I don't see some change. They are already hard hitters. But maybe some rules to make them move faster via spells or something. The minis show their age especially if they go side by side with the new (SC!) chaos warriors. I’m fine with little tweaks, as long as the synergy is good and our top units actually play like top units. As for Chosen, I’m happy to do conversions for now if they don’t release new models, and I reckon all they need to do is make them 3 wounds and they would be amazing. Edited November 21, 2019 by JangutzKhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimrock Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Chosen could always come as a multi kit with normal warriors too. Different weapon and helmet and you'd be pretty much good to go. Maybe a few mutations or something for good measure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 I love the glottkin mini. I didn't buy it yet because I don't have nurgle army. But what? I just noticed that what I planned wouldn't work? I wanted to do a nurgle StD army with the glottkin and I see that if I want battle forged, I can't do it? The glottkin is 420pts, so, he can't be ally. But all StD can get the NURGLE keyword, can't they? Could you help me fit a glottkin in a StD army? What do I do wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midjithero Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 1 hour ago, GeneralZero said: I love the glottkin mini. I didn't buy it yet because I don't have nurgle army. But what? I just noticed that what I planned wouldn't work? I wanted to do a nurgle StD army with the glottkin and I see that if I want battle forged, I can't do it? The glottkin is 420pts, so, he can't be ally. But all StD can get the NURGLE keyword, can't they? Could you help me fit a glottkin in a StD army? What do I do wrong? So, I’m not sure if you can fit a Glottkin into an StD army, as his points total is over the limit. However, all the units you wanted to take from StD are able to take a Mark of Chaos...you would choose Nurgle, and effectively you would be running a Nurgle army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadmund Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 I do wonder if the reason Glottkin costs as much as they do is to prevent them being allied in to other allegiances where his command ability could cause balance mischief. I don't see them going to 400 or less points due to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Dreadmund said: I do wonder if the reason Glottkin costs as much as they do is to prevent them being allied in to other allegiances where his command ability could cause balance mischief. I don't see them going to 400 or less points due to that. That is exactly my conclusion also. Nothing make him worth the 20 artificially added points. He would have been top in nurgle skaven army, nurgle StD army. It is a shame that this wonderfull mini, which fits superbly with StD couldn't even be an ally at 2k points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoganStyle Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 On 11/20/2019 at 3:45 PM, Midjithero said: Gotta keep the thread going! In an effort, here’s a WIP pic of a sorcerers manticore im painting up. Not sure what will still be in the book, or if they’ll get a power boost...but I got it so might as well paint it and get it into the display case. 😝 Loving the colours so far! I'm hesitant to build mine because I don't know whether they will exist in the new S2D book but I hope it is in some format. Do people think they will drop either Lord or Sorcerer option? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVenerableBede Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Dreadmund said: I do wonder if the reason Glottkin costs as much as they do is to prevent them being allied in to other allegiances where his command ability could cause balance mischief. I don't see them going to 400 or less points due to that. I don't know. The +1 attack is for friendly Nurgle units, so the only thing we are really talking about is Plague Monks in a Skaventide or Pestilens allegiance. S2D units can get all those buffs anyway if they are taken in a Nurgle army (and trust me, it still doesn't make them any good). What do Monks get in Skaventide that they can't get in Nurgle? The only thing that springs to mind is Death Frenzy, so they'd get extra attacks in on that. I think the real reason is a lack of competence in GW when pointing things, especially once an initial points value has been "calculated" (ie dart thrown at board full of numbers). With GHB they seemingly just make small adjustmenst based on internal logic instead of recalculating a unit's worth from the ground up again. How much would Glott be worth if he was introduced to the game only now? 2 casts, only 1 unbind, no bonusses to either, decent CA (but Harbinger of Decay always wins the CA war if you only have 1 command point), average in combat, no DPR, 4+ save, 18 wounds, no artifact or trait possible. That's a 280 - 320 point model there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 24 minutes ago, TheVenerableBede said: I don't know. The +1 attack is for friendly Nurgle units, so the only thing we are really talking about is Plague Monks in a Skaventide or Pestilens allegiance. S2D units can get all those buffs anyway if they are taken in a Nurgle army (and trust me, it still doesn't make them any good). What do Monks get in Skaventide that they can't get in Nurgle? The only thing that springs to mind is Death Frenzy, so they'd get extra attacks in on that. I think the real reason is a lack of competence in GW when pointing things, especially once an initial points value has been "calculated" (ie dart thrown at board full of numbers). With GHB they seemingly just make small adjustmenst based on internal logic instead of recalculating a unit's worth from the ground up again. How much would Glott be worth if he was introduced to the game only now? 2 casts, only 1 unbind, no bonusses to either, decent CA (but Harbinger of Decay always wins the CA war if you only have 1 command point), average in combat, no DPR, 4+ save, 18 wounds, no artifact or trait possible. That's a 280 - 320 point model there. You forgot the most important thing here: the miniature is A-MA-ZING ! That was the main reason I spoke about him 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVenerableBede Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 2 hours ago, GeneralZero said: You forgot the most important thing here: the miniature is A-MA-ZING ! That was the main reason I spoke about him 😉 I don't disagree - I have him and he was also great fun to paint. I wish he wrecked more face in the game, but I do take him out for battles now and again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dew Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 I finished my Glot months ago, fantastic mini and I'm really happy with my paintjob. Still hasn't seen the table yet..😔 Never even thought of the points being too high to ally, shame. Guess he's stick in Maggotkin land. Which needs help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JangutzKhan Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/22/what-is-the-varanspire/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVenerableBede Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 22 minutes ago, JangutzKhan said: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/22/what-is-the-varanspire/ Hopefully next week is going to be a Slaves to Darkness preview week! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, TheVenerableBede said: Hopefully next week is going to be a Slaves to Darkness preview week! According to the leak it'd rather be the week after (first week of december pre order the 7) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVenerableBede Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 1 hour ago, GeneralZero said: According to the leak it'd rather be the week after (first week of december pre order the 7) Grr, I feel like Cartman waiting for the Wii: Come on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius501 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 What’s the weirdness coming from Shyish that the article mentions at the end? anyway, I’m keen to have some proper, meaty lore about where and how the followers of chaos live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalassic Monstrosity Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 31 minutes ago, Tiberius501 said: What’s the weirdness coming from Shyish that the article mentions at the end? It's Katakros and his Ossiarch legions. There's some mention of him marching on the Shyishian half of the Allpoints' realmgate in their battletome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius501 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, Thalassic Monstrosity said: It's Katakros and his Ossiarch legions. There's some mention of him marching on the Shyishian half of the Allpoints' realmgate in their battletome. Ah makes sense, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 13 hours ago, Tiberius501 said: Ah makes sense, thanks! Also gordrakk might be coming through the 8 points on his way to azyr with his god beast battering ram. Giving all grand alliances a reason to meet eachother in the same area for a new global campaign. All speculation on my end but it feels like time it to move story forward again and previous campaign seemed a good succes and 2 years back if remember correctly. Just thought to write it down somewhere to point at if I’m accidentally right 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius501 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Oo that could be a fun narrative to extend into. I’m also curious what sort of fluff they expand on in this book. Seems like they’ll be really filling up the 8 points which is sweet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 On 11/22/2019 at 2:07 PM, KoganStyle said: Loving the colours so far! I'm hesitant to build mine because I don't know whether they will exist in the new S2D book but I hope it is in some format. Do people think they will drop either Lord or Sorcerer option? It's either both gone or in. My money's on in as its an amazing model. Doens't break with the new style as far as we have seen it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalassic Monstrosity Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 You know, maybe we'll get Spire Tyrants available for pre-order next week? That wou ld make sense for why the hell is this happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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