Sartxac Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 (edited) Prinche Vhordhrai vs Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon: Average damage comparisson (the standard desviation is similar in between models): Standardad Vhordrai and Standard VloZD (lance) (bettween in Soulblight army): Vh Enemy salvation Average Damage 3 7,04 4 8,99 5 10,94 6 11,72 VLoZD Enemy salvation Average Damage 3 6,44 4 8,25 5 10,06 6 10,83 Vh Charge: Salvación enemigo Daño medio 3 9,01 4 11,47 5 13,93 6 14,77 VLoZD Charge: Salvación enemigo Daño medio 3 8,02 4 10,23 5 12,45 6 13,29 Vh with sanguinari: Salvación enemigo Daño medio 3 8,37 4 10,66 5 12,94 6 13,72 VLoZD with his cp: 3 8,01 4 10,25 5 12,50 6 13,47 Vh with sanguinari more charge: Salvación enemigo Daño medio 3 11,38 4 14,44 5 17,50 6 18,34 VLoZD with his cp more charge: Salvación enemigo Daño medio 3 9,09 4 11,61 5 14,13 6 15,10 For attacks vs rend inmunities take the average damage for +6 salvation and mutiply for 1/3 if the enemy have +3, 1/2 if the enemy have save of +4, 2/3 if he have +5 and finally 5/6 if he have +6. The missile attack of Vhordrai is more better than the shoot attack of VLoZD but this have a more versatile CP and can take artefacts and one habilitie if he is the general and cost 40p less. I only take Vhordrai in a competitive list in Soulblight with other dragon. In legion of blood the dragon is very better: VLoZD legion of blood: Salvación enemigo Daño medio 3 8,15 4 10,41 5 12,67 6 13,56 VLoZD LoB Charge: 3 9,33 4 11,89 5 14,44 6 15,33 VLoZD LoB more his cp: 3 10,12 4 12,93 5 15,73 6 16,85 VLoZD LoB Charge more cp: 3 11,57 4 14,74 5 17,91 6 19,02 from tip: for 460p Mega Boss on Maw Krusha (can take hability and artefact more mount-trait): standard: 3 12,96 4 16,89 5 20,81 6 23,56 Also, in the charge he do 2.67 mortals. Edited October 5, 2019 by Sartxac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor_Jesues Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, Sartxac said: Prinche Vhordhrai vs Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon: ... Also, in the charge he do 2.67 mortals. Maybe im missing something for the spanish terms but the math seems a bit off. For example: how can vhordrai go from 13,72 wounds on average against 6+ save with his power on, to 18,34 wounds with his power and charging? The charge just gives him +1 damage on the lance wich has 4 attacks (so +4 damage on a perfect round of attacks, mind you, not on avarage), how can the average damage go up by 4,62? Something is wrong Edited October 6, 2019 by Raptor_Jesues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sartxac Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Raptor_Jesues said: Maybe im missing something for the spanish terms but the math seems a bit off. For example: how can vhordrai go from 13,72 wounds on average against 6+ save with his power on, to 18,34 wounds with his power and charging? The charge just gives him +1 damage on the lance wich has 4 attacks (so +4 damage on a perfect round of attacks, mind you, not on avarage), how can the average damage go up by 4,62? Something is wrong Because in Soulblight army he repeat all +1 to hit in a charge with dragon warriors bloodline ability. This include the mount. And the 18.34 includes his enchantress in his self (+ 1 to hit and wount with his lance). When I says VLoZD and Vhordrai are in Soulblight army i includes this bloodline in all of my calculations. Edited October 6, 2019 by Sartxac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor_Jesues Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Ok, so thats what "other dragon" meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMS Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 I've been away from AoS for a couple of months. Have you had anything good going on with Soulblight, perhaps against the newest releases? I can say I'm not looking forward to running into those exploding Ossiarchs... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightbox Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 So since dragon princes are gone now (and because the lances on mine keep snapping) what alternatives (GW or 3rd party) have people been using for their blood knights (and vampire lords, I'm curious to see) and do people have any pictures they can share? I presume chaos knights are now the go-to but I struggle imagining them as looking vampirey and not just chaosy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enwolved Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) Hey guys, I want to play a list with the three big guys here. Not too sure how I should finish the list. I definitely want the additional CP. So I have 300p left to play with. I have three more Vargheists and another five Blood Knights available. I am also thinking about adding a bat swarm or some allied dire wolves to be fast and grab objectives. What do you think? Endless spells would be a possibility as well of course. PS: I will go for Swift Death I think, cause its so fun to have lots of movement Spoiler Allegiance: Soulblight - Mortal Realm: Shyish LEADERS Mannfred Mortarch of Night (380) - Lore of the Vampires : Amaranthine Orb Prince Vhordrai (480) - Lore of the Vampires : Vile Transference Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon (440) - General - Command Trait : Mist Form - Deathlance & Shield & Chalice - Artefact : Ethereal Amulet - Lore of the Vampires : Amethystine Pinions UNITS 5 x Blood Knights (200) 3 x Vargheists (150) ENDLESS SPELLS / TERRAIN / COMMAND POINTS Extra Command Point (50) TOTAL: 1700/2000 Edited November 11, 2019 by Enwolved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZLee Syn Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 11 hours ago, Enwolved said: Hey guys, I want to play a list with the three big guys here. Not too sure how I should finish the list. I definitely want the additional CP. So I have 300p left to play with. I have three more Vargheists and another five Blood Knights available. I am also thinking about adding a bat swarm or some allied dire wolves to be fast and grab objectives. What do you think? Endless spells would be a possibility as well of course. PS: I will go for Swift Death I think, cause its so fun to have lots of movement Hide contents Allegiance: Soulblight - Mortal Realm: Shyish LEADERS Mannfred Mortarch of Night (380) - Lore of the Vampires : Amaranthine Orb Prince Vhordrai (480) - Lore of the Vampires : Vile Transference Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon (440) - General - Command Trait : Mist Form - Deathlance & Shield & Chalice - Artefact : Ethereal Amulet - Lore of the Vampires : Amethystine Pinions UNITS 5 x Blood Knights (200) 3 x Vargheists (150) ENDLESS SPELLS / TERRAIN / COMMAND POINTS Extra Command Point (50) TOTAL: 1700/2000 I played similar list with with 10 bloodknights and 2x3 vargheists. Necromantic bloodline. If you want that extra CP i guess play only 5 knights and take another vargheists or wolfs+cogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor_Jesues Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 (edited) On 11/11/2019 at 9:01 AM, TMS said: I've been away from AoS for a couple of months. Have you had anything good going on with Soulblight, perhaps against the newest releases? I can say I'm not looking forward to running into those exploding Ossiarchs... Alas, not mutch glory for my aristocrats, fyreslayers and idoneth proved quite the hard challenge and not all was good. We got in a good trashing but we received twice in return, so not a good day was had by the knights. FUCKEN DWARVES, THEY ARE WAY TOO HARD TO KILL. ALSO THE IDONETH THIRD TURN IS UTTER ******. Im quite crossed as you can see... On 11/11/2019 at 1:01 PM, Lightbox said: So since dragon princes are gone now (and because the lances on mine keep snapping) what alternatives (GW or 3rd party) have people been using for their blood knights (and vampire lords, I'm curious to see) and do people have any pictures they can share? I presume chaos knights are now the go-to but I struggle imagining them as looking vampirey and not just chaosy. So, im still managing to find some with ebay but id say that bretonnian knighs are a good alternative, as are empire knights. Neither are avaiable at gw but there are quite a bunch on ebay and similar sites, so not too mutch of a problem. Then again i do have 30 knights and im probably reachin a point where i have too many, but you know... Chaos kniths can be fun and all but some work is reuqired to remove the symbols and swap the heads. I find that black arks corsairs have nice helmets wich cound be good enough, although not as mutch as the elves Edited November 16, 2019 by Raptor_Jesues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Running 2k against Tamurkhan Nurgle tomorrow including the T himself. My models aren't extensive so I'm having trouble getting the points up however currently I'm here: VLoZD - Ethereal Amulet, Transferrance, Mistform, Lance + Shield Coven Throne - Amaranthine Orb Vampire Lord - Nightmare, Pinions 10 Blood Knights 5 Blood Knights 3 Vargheists 4 Batswarms This is 1750 on the dot. I'm aiming for the extra CP (Martial Insight too good!) so have 200pts left to play with. In terms of models I've got extra Vampire Lords, Necromancers, Malign Sorc spells and could build some Direwolves in a pinch... But what would you guys recommend? I guess 5 wolves and a Necro to roll with the bats wouldn't be a bad shout and a spell to fill points. I usually play Necromantic Bloodline but am considering swift death to help me outmaneuver the Nurgle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honk Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Charlo said: 200pts left to play with. Tricky, Necromancer with van hels could push your bat swarms, but does not really bring much else to the table, since he doesn’t get an extra spell. (-70pts) A second unit of vargheists might be great, either to push on up to 6 or have two units for suicide charges, and harassment. (-50pts) another interesting idea might be a second vampire, for some hero support. (-60pts) 10 dire wolves would bring some bodies to the table, with speed to block a flank. (-60pts) personally I‘d prefer the second vamp lord or the extra vargheist. The remaining points, I‘d think good old „purple sun“ (plaque monks, slaanesh birches) or the pendulum to slice through your opponent. The vortex is not that important (maybe with the orb, but that’s to static), the horrorghast for bravery debuff could be viable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 So I went for a Tomb Banshee, Gnashing Jaws, Purple Sun and Malevolent Maelstrom. My opponent had a cool list with the Tamurkhan Battalion, some Blightkings, Master of Plagues and a Sorcerer Lord. Sadly the Jaws only did damage to myself as I never got control of them and didn't manage to cast the Sun! The banshee managed to fluff her scream against bravery 5 enemies twice 😢 Tamurkhan even managed to revive himself by killing my VLoZD! It was a very cinematic if swingy game but a minor victory to the Nurgle. I'm not sure I'd run a unit of ten Knights again, they just seems too unweidly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaylorCorvette Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 On 11/11/2019 at 6:01 AM, Lightbox said: So since dragon princes are gone now (and because the lances on mine keep snapping) what alternatives (GW or 3rd party) have people been using for their blood knights (and vampire lords, I'm curious to see) and do people have any pictures they can share? I presume chaos knights are now the go-to but I struggle imagining them as looking vampirey and not just chaosy. I used Vampire Lords kit bashed with Chaos Knights 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souleater Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 (edited) Hey, folks. After my current army project finishes I am thinking of starting Soulblight. For a beginning list at 1k points I was thinking of VLoZD Vampire Lord on Nightmare 5x Blood Knights 3x Vargheists 5x Dire Wolves Is a VLoZD too big a fraction of points at 1k? If yes, would I be better with a cheaper leader and more battline dudes? Thank you. Edited December 1, 2019 by Souleater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZLee Syn Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 On 12/1/2019 at 11:59 AM, Souleater said: Hey, folks. After my current army project finishes I am thinking of starting Soulblight. For a beginning list at 1k points I was thinking of VLoZD Vampire Lord on Nightmare 5x Blood Knights 3x Vargheists 5x Dire Wolves Is a VLoZD too big a fraction of points at 1k? If yes, would I be better with a cheaper leader and more battline dudes? Thank you. Definitely not that much at 1000. In my lob list I use 2 dragons and 2x10 zombies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sartxac Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 God battle vs mixes skyre verminus skaventide: Allegiance: Soulblight - Bloodline: NecromanticMortal Realm: ShyishLeadersVampire Lord on Zombie Dragon (440)- General- Deathlance & Shield & Chalice- Trait: Mist Form- Artefact: Ethereal Amulet- Lore of the Vampires: Vile TransferenceCoven Throne (260)- Lore of the Vampires: Amethystine PinionsVampire Lord (140)- Mount: Flying Horror- Lore of the Vampires: Amaranthine OrbBattleline5 x Blood Knights (200)5 x Blood Knights (200)3 x Vargheists (150)Units5 x Dire Wolves (70)- Allies10 x Grave Guard (140)- Great Wight Blades- AlliesTotal: 1600 / 1650Extra Command Points: 1Allies: 210 / 330 For battles of little points non competitive Soulblight is funny army, the zombie dragon with mist form and ethereal amulet is a genious general vs battelines and weak strategic heroes. Mist form is excellent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMS Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) @Sartxac, what are those Grave Guard doing for you? Got any good plan in mind? And I agree, Mist Form is superb. It's probably the single best thing about Soulblight as it is. It makes the VLOZD an excellent sniper that can always leave unimportant fights for more juicy targets. Edited December 10, 2019 by TMS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death1942 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 On 11/11/2019 at 11:01 PM, Lightbox said: So since dragon princes are gone now (and because the lances on mine keep snapping) what alternatives (GW or 3rd party) have people been using for their blood knights (and vampire lords, I'm curious to see) and do people have any pictures they can share? I presume chaos knights are now the go-to but I struggle imagining them as looking vampirey and not just chaosy. If you don't want to look towards China then your options can be varied. Mantic make blood knights for their undead faction, I don't think the models are that great though. The better option would be to grab humanoid cavalry from another faction and get some vampire heads to swap on. There are a few sites out there that make vampire heads so give that a go. If you went down the chaos knight route (they do look great) you would probably need to file off a lot of the chaos iconography and most likely go all head swaps and no helmeted options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sartxac Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 3 hours ago, TMS said: @Sartxac, what are those Grave Guard doing for you? Got any good plan in mind? And I agree, Mist Form is superb. It's probably the single best thing about Soulblight as it is. It makes the VLOZD an excellent sniper that can always leave unimportant fights for more juicy targets. My intention was explain in detail my battle vs skaventide. Yes, VLOZD as a sniper of strategic heroes and units as jezztails is excellent. He compensates his poor damage with this strategic abilitie for backing out and charge. Grave guard only for protect one point, skavens have magic tunneld and can deploy units 9" of my grave guard. With this i can assure his charge (4"of move and minus of 6" in charge). And in order to have 50 points for command point are better option than chainrasp or skeletons. Death1942, any thinks to convert the new black knights of slave to darkness in excellents vampires? We only need change his heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souleater Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 I am also eyeing up the new Chaos Knights for conversion. The kit apparently includes optional bare heads. Chaos icons can be shaved off or 'over painted' to show the new allegiance of newly converted Blood Knights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMS Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Something seems to be brewing for us in the coming winter FAQ. From the GHB19 errata, updated with today's date, second page. The tome erratas mentioned haven't been updated yet, I assume that'll be for later today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death1942 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I hope for a drop for vampire lords, maybe even a drop for some of our named characters. Vargheists could probably drop 20 or so points and be a lot better, blood knights as discussed should be dropped considerably. I suspect they will remove bats and other really old kits (if you look at the rest of the leak they are removing models from other armies in this FAQ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StokieRich Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, Death1942 said: I hope for a drop for vampire lords, maybe even a drop for some of our named characters. Vargheists could probably drop 20 or so points and be a lot better, blood knights as discussed should be dropped considerably. I suspect they will remove bats and other really old kits (if you look at the rest of the leak they are removing models from other armies in this FAQ) What leak mate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death1942 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Got it in a whatsapp group, nothing special as it just shows the same info in that above screenshot but also has a bit more shown which is Ironjaws and Seraphon units getting removed. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honk Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Death1942 said: has a bit more shown which is Ironjaws and Seraphon units getting removed. Not so thrilled about the sound of it... 1 hour ago, Death1942 said: they will remove bats and other really old kits they best have the new model kits to be launched. I really liked the diversity of our Legions. WAAC Tournament players will only need the best of the best options, but I like sporting a more thematic list, which looks and feels great, even if I have to stretch my weak tactic muscles to even put up a fight... and the bats were great against shooty armies too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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