Zplash Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Eevika said: I agree that Glottkin needs points decrease but he is a really strong buff unit when protected and played in a list that benefits from his abilities well. As mentioned by hughwyeth a or most likely 2 spells with 7 to cast without bonus isnt reliable at all which is always bad in a competitive scene. Very important I want to add that he s a named character and can't take an artefact that is one big big downsize for him too. With 4 to save he will be killed by any hammer unit in the game in 1 or at least 2 turns... VS Shooting even worse. The CA is nice but without any punch in melee for nurgle the +1 attack is rather meh... ( I know monks and marauders maybe but... Ya I want my real nurgle boys for the party :D) I'm really looking forward for an update because it would be a shame not to play this great model on the tabletops (same goes for our maggot Lords and our big fatties GUO/Rotigus too) By the way last weekend I ran a one day tournament and ran 2/1 with my tallyband only lost in the finals, last game close VS FeC due to his mobility Over all 3 games I killed like 10 grots and 1 flayer... Objectives and debuffs is the only way to play nurgle currently, in my point of view. Edited November 27, 2019 by Zplash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eevika Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Im just going to say this. Every army is bad if you dont play the good units 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluxlord Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 5 hours ago, hughwyeth said: His spell is one of the best in the game, but with zero bonus to cast you're getting it off like 1/4 the time. His command ability is good, but doesn't really play to Nurgle strengths. He's one of the few good combat units we have though! Actually the change on at least a seven with two dice is 7/12 which is 58% not 25%. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadmund Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 58 minutes ago, Fluxlord said: Actually the change on at least a seven with two dice is 7/12 which is 58% not 25%. This is true. There is a good chance an enemy unit will be able to attempt an unbind though, which complicates things. In my last event I really struggled to get spells off and part of that was bad rolls, the other part was unbinding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadmund Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Eevika said: Im just going to say this. Every army is bad if you dont play the good units 🤷♂️ I don't think anyone is disputing that. If I wanted to build the most effective list I could, of course I'd take the best units. We're just lamenting that the models that are doing well for us right now aren't always the ones we wish were doing well or the even the ones that best represent the allegiance's aesthetic. There are probably a lot of stormcast players who wish that their favourite models aren't considered very good right now. But the difference is that the models that are doing well for them still look like stormcast. I faced a really lovely guy in my last event running 140 Marauders and a Harbinger of decay. I loved the list, but it definitely felt more like playing Slaves to Darkness than Nurgle. The "boils to unblemished skin" ratio was way off lol. It's only an annoyance and it could be worse. Imagine we didn't have those options! It would be a rough time for us. Some day in the future, fingers crossed, all the cool models we love will have their moment in the sun eventually! But I'm definitely not holding my breath for a new book any time soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluxlord Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 @Dreadmund GW is pushing battletomes rather fast lately, when slaves to darkness and tzeentch (rumors say februari) have gotten there battletomes all of chaos has new ones right! (Beast of chaos, skaven, khorne, slaanesh, slaves to darkness, tzeentch) I guess we are after that.....🤞🏽 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVenerableBede Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Dreadmund said: This is true. There is a good chance an enemy unit will be able to attempt an unbind though, which complicates things. In my last event I really struggled to get spells off and part of that was bad rolls, the other part was unbinding. And there is also a good chance that that enemy will have a bonus to unbind too. Even poxy Runelords get +2. I had a game with my Glott and Plague Monks today. The Monks were buffed by his spell and the +1 attack. Just short of 20 of them went charging into Manfred who was on 7 wounds. 70-odd sword and 30-odd stave attacks later, at the end of the combat phase he was on 6. Take that, Legion Of Night! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughwyeth Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 4 hours ago, Fluxlord said: Actually the change on at least a seven with two dice is 7/12 which is 58% not 25%. Enemy unbinds, with loads of bonuses across armies makes that way lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughwyeth Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 7 hours ago, Eevika said: Im just going to say this. Every army is bad if you dont play the good units 🤷♂️ What are the good Maggotkin of Nurgle units? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eevika Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Just now, hughwyeth said: What are the good Maggotkin of Nurgle units? GUO and Glottkin in a correct list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughwyeth Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Eevika said: GUO and Glottkin in a correct list I think I should probably rephrase my question to What are the good Maggotkin of Nurgle units for their cost? I love all the nurgle models, have all of them, and think all their warscolls are pretty cool and fun, but for their points they can't compete. Players have shown they can win with a Nurgle force- hell even I have! But GUO is a pure support piece that does less than what models costing 100 points less do. Glottkin is amazing as well and I've run lists with him, but he's overcosted for what he does now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eevika Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, hughwyeth said: I think I should probably rephrase my question to What are the good Maggotkin of Nurgle units for their cost? I love all the nurgle models, have all of them, and think all their warscolls are pretty cool and fun, but for their points they can't compete. Players have shown they can win with a Nurgle force- hell even I have! But GUO is a pure support piece that does less than what models costing 100 points less do. Glottkin is amazing as well and I've run lists with him, but he's overcosted for what he does now. None are good for their points. Good nurgle we have a lot on the skaven side Edited November 27, 2019 by Eevika Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluxlord Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, hughwyeth said: Enemy unbinds, with loads of bonuses across armies makes that way lower. Indeed! Without bonus to cast on the unbind it drops to 35% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kozokus Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Had a game yesterday with Nurgle against ironjaws. His list was rather competitive but mine wasn't that much. Yet i won. Gift from heaven on chamon : Me : Guo bell and blade + Rotigus + Lord of affcliction general with the witherstave + epitome of slaanesh 3X5 kings and a unit of 4 Pusgoyle (and the maw endless spell) He : Megaboss + 2 warchanter + shaman 2X6 pigs and about ~40-50 hardboys in 4-5 units Ironfist and ardfist he gave me the first turn, the wheel was set on 5 i casteled, didn't move an inch, moved the wheel with the general trait on 6, put it back on 5, cast the rotispell and suddenly, his boss and warchanters where down on 2 or 3 wounds left. I casted the maw with the epitome and blocked the way between two conveniently placed blocking scenery. He realised i wasn't going to rush on him then he began to move, cast the hand of gork on 10 buffed ardboys but failed his +3 charge after that. I won the initiative and gave him the turn to see where his comet was landing (on an edge). He then proceded to charge with 20 ardboys and 12 pigs, half of them with +1 dammage. Suddenly the epitome magic happened and some of his units where striking last. The Guo Was instantely killed but rotigus went half life. He also killed 2-3 kings in every units and took 6 wounds on the mirror. This seems low, but rerolling his 6 to hit proved to be atrocious. IBetween the lord, rotigus and the kings, i killed 1/3 of his models. On my turn, the comet landed on the opposite side, right under the fight between 3 kings and 7 ardboys. I spent 2 command points and made the pusgoyle run 8+8+6 to check for his objective while the lord was going to help the kings on my objective. The incubarda and virulent discharge took some wounds here and there. the wheel triggered with the rotigus rain and suddenly all his heroes where gone. I set the wheel on 5 again and made the mirror trigger on most of his units, that where now rerolling 6 to hit and wound. I seised the initiative and finished his army quickly. Clearly, the character sniping and the witherstaff where my main victory agent here. Hampering his ability ro roll well and making him not immune to battleshock where a must. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughwyeth Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Nice! I think Epitome is a great ally for us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zplash Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Very Cool sounds like a good fun game. Still it seems like everything went in your direction (roti rain several times on 7, starting wheel on5? and turning wheel on 7) and your colleague wasn't a competetive player (no out of line of sight of his buff heros? Even without terrain just hide behind big Maw). Even with fighting last, the IJ should punch you very very hard in the combat phase if he uses his synergies correctly and your armee really lacks dmg output and rend in melee vs 3 and 4 up saves... So sounds like the dice God was heavely on your side Your whole Armee consists of around 24 models... With that model count you shouldn't be able to win in a match counting models within 6 etc... Don't get me wrong I really like the combo of Lord of affl and the pusgoyle and I also love Rotigus and to hear that they squeezed a win make my heart jump but for the people starting or seeking advice about nurgle and with the conversation above was all about competitive I just had to share my thoughts here and try to help not to misunderstand that win vs currently very strong IJs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadmund Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Anyone else scope the warscroll on top of the warscroll cards for Slaves to Darkness? Command ability giving Mortal units Pile in and Attack twice. My Blightkings like that a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVenerableBede Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 3 hours ago, Dreadmund said: Anyone else scope the warscroll on top of the warscroll cards for Slaves to Darkness? Command ability giving Mortal units Pile in and Attack twice. My Blightkings like that a lot. It was friendly Slaves to Darkness unit I think. But my Nurgle-marked Knights won't mind it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal4m4nd3r Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Bladed up marauders like that very much! I hope they don't remove the +1 to hit mechanic on their warscroll!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadmund Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 51 minutes ago, TheVenerableBede said: It was friendly Slaves to Darkness unit I think. But my Nurgle-marked Knights won't mind it. Nooo I was led astray! Still, I have 40 marauders who will love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suedester Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 If the warcry warbands don't get marks I might just use them as marauders. Anyone foresee any issues with that? Just not a fan of the old sculpts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasant Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Pure maggotkin list is trash😡 attendended a tournament this weekend and was completely obliterated, no chance to win. Unkillable ossiarchs, a lot of -1 to hit... I feel very frustrated spending months painting an army to the best of my skill and being tabled thrice before the 3rd turn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadmund Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 33 minutes ago, suedester said: If the warcry warbands don't get marks I might just use them as marauders. Anyone foresee any issues with that? Just not a fan of the old sculpts. Those models don't have consistent base sizes, and some models might look a little silly or just straight up won't fit on 25mm bases, especially the Ogor Iron golem or the larger dudes with more dynamic poses. But you'll need to buy at least 3 double size bozes to make 1 unit of 40 so you will have spares. As long as you're clear what they are with your opponent before the start of the game, it should be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal4m4nd3r Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 17 minutes ago, peasant said: Pure maggotkin list is trash😡 attendended a tournament this weekend and was completely obliterated, no chance to win. Unkillable ossiarchs, a lot of -1 to hit... I feel very frustrated spending months painting an army to the best of my skill and being tabled thrice before the 3rd turn. Hey bud I understand your frustration. Dont get down! Either focus on what makes you happy or maybe startup a new army or new specialist game until a battletome comes out! Anyway to know if there is a whatsapp group for nurgle out there? How do you join these groups? Also want to join a slaves to darkness one. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadmund Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 29 minutes ago, sal4m4nd3r said: Hey bud I understand your frustration. Dont get down! Either focus on what makes you happy or maybe startup a new army or new specialist game until a battletome comes out! Anyway to know if there is a whatsapp group for nurgle out there? How do you join these groups? Also want to join a slaves to darkness one. DM me your number and I'll get you an invite to both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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