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5 minutes ago, Quarmiel said:

GW said each Grand Alliance will get a battletome until the end of 2019.

Yes but for chaos alliance count the hedonite of slaanesh they said.. said that 3-4 days ago on live from new gh2019,for that reason a lot of slave to darkness players are pretty angry cuz most of them will hope for a battletome in the end of 2019..so dot still not have the priority ^^ if they turn back on their steps

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1 hour ago, minthras said:

If you mean the gh 2019 i dont think will change nothing about the situacion for DoT,if you mean the release of new battletome,GW already said they will not release new battletome for this year so waiting until 2020  for start an army its pretty ridicolous for me ^^ 2 Curseling  cuz 2 more casters and well the thing i can cast in the enemy turn its good,yeah agree with the idea of pyro cult the problem is need to pay a lot for take it 140+120+180 otherwise i can try like this:

Allegiance: Chaos

Leaders
Magister (140)
Curseling, Eye of Tzeentch (160)
Tzaangor Shaman (180)
Gaunt Summoner and Chaos Familiars (180)

Battleline
20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)
20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)
20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)
10 x Pink Horrors of Tzeentch (200)

Units
6 x Tzaangor Enlightened (200)

Battalions
Witchfyre Coven (120)
Arcanite Cabal (180)
The Pyrofane Cult (140)

Total: 1980 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 3
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 109

 
 

I think this list would be quite sexy - I'd reduce one set of Kairics to 10 and give the Enlightened discs though as they are so very important against tough units! I guess Enlightened will go up in the next GHB but outside of that I don't think we'll get many nerfs anyways and we're not really in need of a new BT anyways (personally I'd like to see the LoC come down in points as it's hard to include him and not feel kinda bad about it). You might also want to pick some endless spells. Shackles(! cheap and good), Palisade, Pendulum and the 2 orbs (forgot the name) worked really well for me so far, just in case you're open to some suggestions there. Good luck!

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4 hours ago, MitGas said:

I think this list would be quite sexy - I'd reduce one set of Kairics to 10 and give the Enlightened discs though as they are so very important against tough units! I guess Enlightened will go up in the next GHB but outside of that I don't think we'll get many nerfs anyways and we're not really in need of a new BT anyways (personally I'd like to see the LoC come down in points as it's hard to include him and not feel kinda bad about it). You might also want to pick some endless spells. Shackles(! cheap and good), Palisade, Pendulum and the 2 orbs (forgot the name) worked really well for me so far, just in case you're open to some suggestions there. Good luck!

But if i give the discs on Enlightened,did they dont count anymore for battalion? Cuz in the battalion rule  dont specific if they are normal or on discs

ps: nvm i just see in description they can took discs as option ^^

Any suggestion of wich lore magic and artefact give at my heroes?

Oh yeah! shackles! thx bro didnt think about it! y  i certainly appreciate the suggestions :) that's why i post my list here :D


 
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6 hours ago, minthras said:

If you mean the gh 2019 i dont think will change nothing about the situacion for DoT,if you mean the release of new battletome,GW already said they will not release new battletome for this year so waiting until 2020  for start an army its pretty ridicolous for me ^^ 2 Curseling  cuz 2 more casters and well the thing i can cast in the enemy turn its good,yeah agree with the idea of pyro cult the problem is need to pay a lot for take it 140+120+180 otherwise i can try like this:

Allegiance: Chaos

Leaders
Magister (140)
Curseling, Eye of Tzeentch (160)
Tzaangor Shaman (180)
Gaunt Summoner and Chaos Familiars (180)

Battleline
20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)
20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)
20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)
10 x Pink Horrors of Tzeentch (200)

Units
6 x Tzaangor Enlightened (200)

Battalions
Witchfyre Coven (120)
Arcanite Cabal (180)
The Pyrofane Cult (140)

Total: 1980 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 3
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 109

 
 

You're joking right? Tzeentch will 100% change in the handbook. 

As an example enlightened are definitely going to change. Skyfires will most likely be changed as well. Id also be surprised if horrors don't get changed. That's just a few examples but more will change for sure. 

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53 minutes ago, EchoHavoc said:

You're joking right? Tzeentch will 100% change in the handbook. 

As an example enlightened are definitely going to change. Skyfires will most likely be changed as well. Id also be surprised if horrors don't get changed. That's just a few examples but more will change for sure. 

My dear that its what they said in their last live,dont be angry on me ^^ take it easy..i really really hope  will be as you say

Anyway the list was wrong ,cant use arcanite cabal just using magister and tzaangor shaman,need fatemaster too soz.. here the new one:

Curseling, Eye of Tzeentch (160)
Gaunt Summoner and Chaos Familiars (180)
- General
Magister (140)
Tzaangor Shaman (180)

Battleline
20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)
- 10x Pair of Cursed Blades
- 7x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield
- 3x Cursed Glaives
20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)
- 10x Pair of Cursed Blades
- 7x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield
- 3x Cursed Glaives
20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)
- 10x Pair of Cursed Blades
- 7x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield
- 3x Cursed Glaives
20 x Pink Horrors of Tzeentch (400)

Units
6 x Tzaangor Enlightened on Disc (280)

Battalions
Witchfyre coven (120)

Endless Spells / Terrain
Soulsnare Shackles (20)

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13 hours ago, minthras said:

My dear that its what they said in their last live,dont be angry on me ^^ take it easy..i really really hope  will be as you say

Anyway the list was wrong ,cant use arcanite cabal just using magister and tzaangor shaman,need fatemaster too soz.. here the new one:

Curseling, Eye of Tzeentch (160)
Gaunt Summoner and Chaos Familiars (180)
- General
Magister (140)
Tzaangor Shaman (180)

Battleline
20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)
- 10x Pair of Cursed Blades
- 7x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield
- 3x Cursed Glaives
20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)
- 10x Pair of Cursed Blades
- 7x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield
- 3x Cursed Glaives
20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)
- 10x Pair of Cursed Blades
- 7x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield
- 3x Cursed Glaives
20 x Pink Horrors of Tzeentch (400)

Units
6 x Tzaangor Enlightened on Disc (280)

Battalions
Witchfyre coven (120)

Endless Spells / Terrain
Soulsnare Shackles (20)

I think the kairics will die faster then you’d expect and with only one hero that’s quick, you’ll struggle to get your summoning out where you need it. There isn’t really any damage output in the list either, those enlightened will vanish if hit first. 

Again , with a week to go, that list will likely change in points. Gaunt with familiars will defo go up to around 220

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7 hours ago, CountryMou3e said:

I think the kairics will die faster then you’d expect and with only one hero that’s quick, you’ll struggle to get your summoning out where you need it. There isn’t really any damage output in the list either, those enlightened will vanish if hit first. 

Again , with a week to go, that list will likely change in points. Gaunt with familiars will defo go up to around 220

probably so need to ad some tzaangor's anyway y let's see if change something next week or not

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This Battle report was something my opponent typed and i just changed the overall thoughts section to mine.  Critiques/Comments are welcome

Game against FEC, 1500 points

T1

Tzeentch: “I win priority but let him go first. He manages to get off some spells to generate summoning points, but other than that he just moves onto all 3 objectives... parking his 6 Enlightened out in the open in charge range of the GKoTG.
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FEC: So, my casting dice work against Tzeentch for some reason and I get off +3 attacks into the TG and UV and Mystic Shield. Chalice of course continues to just sit around and never go off. I run all the Ghouls left and center to outnumber him on the objectives.. meanwhile I summon in 6 Horrors and a Varghulf in his back right. The GKoTG swoops in on the right side 3" away from the Enlightened and makes the charge on a 3.. so at least it wasn't as catastrophic as last game. Of course, the GKoTG manages to 1-shot all 6 Enlightened without needing FF. 5-5 Tie

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T2
Tzeentch: He wins priority, but most of his spells fail or get unbound.. even with his RR failed casts spell going off and only manages a couple of MW's into the GKoTG. He ends up charging the Tzaangors into the GKoTG and the left Acolytes into the Ghouls. We get through combat with him only putting the TG down to 11 remaining and the Ghouls losing only ~3 models.. the TG kills off around half the Tzaangors before FF and we call it there. 10-5 FeC Major Victory.

 

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My Overall Thoughts.

I'm really not sure if anything different I could do. I suppose my biggest mistake was putting those 6 Enlightened out in the open with the GKoTG being in rang e, not thinking he one shot them.…..but I didn’t premeasure as I usually don’t and don’t know everything that other armies can do (Tzeenthch is a lot to remember) so didn't think to premeasure, also I wanted them in combat because they are THE combat unit I have, but I should have screened them somewhat. 

 

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On 6/13/2019 at 5:25 PM, minthras said:

My dear that its what they said in their last live,dont be angry on me ^^ take it easy..i really really hope  will be as you say

Anyway the list was wrong ,cant use arcanite cabal just using magister and tzaangor shaman,need fatemaster too soz.. here the new one:

Curseling, Eye of Tzeentch (160)
Gaunt Summoner and Chaos Familiars (180)
- General
Magister (140)
Tzaangor Shaman (180)

Battleline
20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)
- 10x Pair of Cursed Blades
- 7x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield
- 3x Cursed Glaives
20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)
- 10x Pair of Cursed Blades
- 7x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield
- 3x Cursed Glaives
20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)
- 10x Pair of Cursed Blades
- 7x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield
- 3x Cursed Glaives
20 x Pink Horrors of Tzeentch (400)

Units
6 x Tzaangor Enlightened on Disc (280)

Battalions
Witchfyre coven (120)

Endless Spells / Terrain
Soulsnare Shackles (20)

So you were saying... https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/06/14/the-generals-handbook-2019-major-points-changesgw-homepage-post-2/

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1 hour ago, EchoHavoc said:

A point change isnt a "full rework"  as you meant before eh...its pretty different :D but anyway its gw so it is normal that they change idea always..an example read what they wrote about bonesplitterz and gutbusters..im happy to see anyway changed their mind after the live of few days ago

 

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Just now, AverageBoss said:

Have not seen the GS with familiars under either DoT or EC. I wonder if its listed under Other, or if they possibly removed it.

 

"If we dont sell it, it has no rules!" - GW circa 2019.

Well just use the ghb2018 points I guess and have the warscroll pdf on hand.

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Just now, AverageBoss said:

Yet Tomb Kings are back in this GHB.

Well they did specifically mention the compendium rules in their previews.

But as for AoS specific stuff, they don't like "confusing" new players with models you can't get a hold of outside of ebay (not counting the darn sold out VS boxes that are still somehow not reboxed yet. what is taking them so long!).

I didn't check, do they still have the oop units from Swifthawk Agents or not?

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