minthras Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Quarmiel said: GW said each Grand Alliance will get a battletome until the end of 2019. Yes but for chaos alliance count the hedonite of slaanesh they said.. said that 3-4 days ago on live from new gh2019,for that reason a lot of slave to darkness players are pretty angry cuz most of them will hope for a battletome in the end of 2019..so dot still not have the priority ^^ if they turn back on their steps Edited June 13, 2019 by minthras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MitGas Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 1 hour ago, minthras said: If you mean the gh 2019 i dont think will change nothing about the situacion for DoT,if you mean the release of new battletome,GW already said they will not release new battletome for this year so waiting until 2020 for start an army its pretty ridicolous for me ^^ 2 Curseling cuz 2 more casters and well the thing i can cast in the enemy turn its good,yeah agree with the idea of pyro cult the problem is need to pay a lot for take it 140+120+180 otherwise i can try like this: Allegiance: ChaosLeadersMagister (140)Curseling, Eye of Tzeentch (160)Tzaangor Shaman (180)Gaunt Summoner and Chaos Familiars (180)Battleline20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)10 x Pink Horrors of Tzeentch (200)Units6 x Tzaangor Enlightened (200)BattalionsWitchfyre Coven (120)Arcanite Cabal (180)The Pyrofane Cult (140)Total: 1980 / 2000Extra Command Points: 3Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 109 I think this list would be quite sexy - I'd reduce one set of Kairics to 10 and give the Enlightened discs though as they are so very important against tough units! I guess Enlightened will go up in the next GHB but outside of that I don't think we'll get many nerfs anyways and we're not really in need of a new BT anyways (personally I'd like to see the LoC come down in points as it's hard to include him and not feel kinda bad about it). You might also want to pick some endless spells. Shackles(! cheap and good), Palisade, Pendulum and the 2 orbs (forgot the name) worked really well for me so far, just in case you're open to some suggestions there. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minthras Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, MitGas said: I think this list would be quite sexy - I'd reduce one set of Kairics to 10 and give the Enlightened discs though as they are so very important against tough units! I guess Enlightened will go up in the next GHB but outside of that I don't think we'll get many nerfs anyways and we're not really in need of a new BT anyways (personally I'd like to see the LoC come down in points as it's hard to include him and not feel kinda bad about it). You might also want to pick some endless spells. Shackles(! cheap and good), Palisade, Pendulum and the 2 orbs (forgot the name) worked really well for me so far, just in case you're open to some suggestions there. Good luck! But if i give the discs on Enlightened,did they dont count anymore for battalion? Cuz in the battalion rule dont specific if they are normal or on discs ps: nvm i just see in description they can took discs as option ^^ Any suggestion of wich lore magic and artefact give at my heroes? Oh yeah! shackles! thx bro didnt think about it! y i certainly appreciate the suggestions that's why i post my list here Edited June 13, 2019 by minthras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EchoHavoc Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 6 hours ago, minthras said: If you mean the gh 2019 i dont think will change nothing about the situacion for DoT,if you mean the release of new battletome,GW already said they will not release new battletome for this year so waiting until 2020 for start an army its pretty ridicolous for me ^^ 2 Curseling cuz 2 more casters and well the thing i can cast in the enemy turn its good,yeah agree with the idea of pyro cult the problem is need to pay a lot for take it 140+120+180 otherwise i can try like this: Allegiance: ChaosLeadersMagister (140)Curseling, Eye of Tzeentch (160)Tzaangor Shaman (180)Gaunt Summoner and Chaos Familiars (180)Battleline20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)10 x Pink Horrors of Tzeentch (200)Units6 x Tzaangor Enlightened (200)BattalionsWitchfyre Coven (120)Arcanite Cabal (180)The Pyrofane Cult (140)Total: 1980 / 2000Extra Command Points: 3Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 109 You're joking right? Tzeentch will 100% change in the handbook. As an example enlightened are definitely going to change. Skyfires will most likely be changed as well. Id also be surprised if horrors don't get changed. That's just a few examples but more will change for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minthras Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 (edited) 53 minutes ago, EchoHavoc said: You're joking right? Tzeentch will 100% change in the handbook. As an example enlightened are definitely going to change. Skyfires will most likely be changed as well. Id also be surprised if horrors don't get changed. That's just a few examples but more will change for sure. My dear that its what they said in their last live,dont be angry on me ^^ take it easy..i really really hope will be as you say Anyway the list was wrong ,cant use arcanite cabal just using magister and tzaangor shaman,need fatemaster too soz.. here the new one: Curseling, Eye of Tzeentch (160)Gaunt Summoner and Chaos Familiars (180)- GeneralMagister (140)Tzaangor Shaman (180)Battleline20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)- 10x Pair of Cursed Blades- 7x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield- 3x Cursed Glaives20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)- 10x Pair of Cursed Blades- 7x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield- 3x Cursed Glaives20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)- 10x Pair of Cursed Blades- 7x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield- 3x Cursed Glaives20 x Pink Horrors of Tzeentch (400)Units6 x Tzaangor Enlightened on Disc (280)BattalionsWitchfyre coven (120)Endless Spells / TerrainSoulsnare Shackles (20) Edited June 13, 2019 by minthras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryMou3e Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 13 hours ago, minthras said: My dear that its what they said in their last live,dont be angry on me ^^ take it easy..i really really hope will be as you say Anyway the list was wrong ,cant use arcanite cabal just using magister and tzaangor shaman,need fatemaster too soz.. here the new one: Curseling, Eye of Tzeentch (160)Gaunt Summoner and Chaos Familiars (180)- GeneralMagister (140)Tzaangor Shaman (180)Battleline20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)- 10x Pair of Cursed Blades- 7x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield- 3x Cursed Glaives20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)- 10x Pair of Cursed Blades- 7x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield- 3x Cursed Glaives20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)- 10x Pair of Cursed Blades- 7x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield- 3x Cursed Glaives20 x Pink Horrors of Tzeentch (400)Units6 x Tzaangor Enlightened on Disc (280)BattalionsWitchfyre coven (120)Endless Spells / TerrainSoulsnare Shackles (20) I think the kairics will die faster then you’d expect and with only one hero that’s quick, you’ll struggle to get your summoning out where you need it. There isn’t really any damage output in the list either, those enlightened will vanish if hit first. Again , with a week to go, that list will likely change in points. Gaunt with familiars will defo go up to around 220 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minthras Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 7 hours ago, CountryMou3e said: I think the kairics will die faster then you’d expect and with only one hero that’s quick, you’ll struggle to get your summoning out where you need it. There isn’t really any damage output in the list either, those enlightened will vanish if hit first. Again , with a week to go, that list will likely change in points. Gaunt with familiars will defo go up to around 220 probably so need to ad some tzaangor's anyway y let's see if change something next week or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyP Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) This Battle report was something my opponent typed and i just changed the overall thoughts section to mine. Critiques/Comments are welcome Game against FEC, 1500 points T1Tzeentch: “I win priority but let him go first. He manages to get off some spells to generate summoning points, but other than that he just moves onto all 3 objectives... parking his 6 Enlightened out in the open in charge range of the GKoTG.FEC: So, my casting dice work against Tzeentch for some reason and I get off +3 attacks into the TG and UV and Mystic Shield. Chalice of course continues to just sit around and never go off. I run all the Ghouls left and center to outnumber him on the objectives.. meanwhile I summon in 6 Horrors and a Varghulf in his back right. The GKoTG swoops in on the right side 3" away from the Enlightened and makes the charge on a 3.. so at least it wasn't as catastrophic as last game. Of course, the GKoTG manages to 1-shot all 6 Enlightened without needing FF. 5-5 Tie T2Tzeentch: He wins priority, but most of his spells fail or get unbound.. even with his RR failed casts spell going off and only manages a couple of MW's into the GKoTG. He ends up charging the Tzaangors into the GKoTG and the left Acolytes into the Ghouls. We get through combat with him only putting the TG down to 11 remaining and the Ghouls losing only ~3 models.. the TG kills off around half the Tzaangors before FF and we call it there. 10-5 FeC Major Victory.” My Overall Thoughts. I'm really not sure if anything different I could do. I suppose my biggest mistake was putting those 6 Enlightened out in the open with the GKoTG being in rang e, not thinking he one shot them.…..but I didn’t premeasure as I usually don’t and don’t know everything that other armies can do (Tzeenthch is a lot to remember) so didn't think to premeasure, also I wanted them in combat because they are THE combat unit I have, but I should have screened them somewhat. Edited June 14, 2019 by MattyP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandamina Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Pinks at 180 pts and reductions across the board for us. Tier S army hype? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decker_cky Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Pandamina said: Pinks at 180 pts and reductions across the board for us. Tier S army hype? Enlightened on discs increased to 160 (listed under beasts). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandamina Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, decker_cky said: Enlightened on discs increased to 160 (listed under beasts). I have no Enlightened in my 2k Tzeentch list :3. And i think it's still decent enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EchoHavoc Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 On 6/13/2019 at 5:25 PM, minthras said: My dear that its what they said in their last live,dont be angry on me ^^ take it easy..i really really hope will be as you say Anyway the list was wrong ,cant use arcanite cabal just using magister and tzaangor shaman,need fatemaster too soz.. here the new one: Curseling, Eye of Tzeentch (160)Gaunt Summoner and Chaos Familiars (180)- GeneralMagister (140)Tzaangor Shaman (180)Battleline20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)- 10x Pair of Cursed Blades- 7x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield- 3x Cursed Glaives20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)- 10x Pair of Cursed Blades- 7x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield- 3x Cursed Glaives20 x Kairic Acolytes (160)- 10x Pair of Cursed Blades- 7x Cursed Blade & Arcanite Shield- 3x Cursed Glaives20 x Pink Horrors of Tzeentch (400)Units6 x Tzaangor Enlightened on Disc (280)BattalionsWitchfyre coven (120)Endless Spells / TerrainSoulsnare Shackles (20) So you were saying... https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/06/14/the-generals-handbook-2019-major-points-changesgw-homepage-post-2/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minthras Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, EchoHavoc said: So you were saying... https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/06/14/the-generals-handbook-2019-major-points-changesgw-homepage-post-2/ A point change isnt a "full rework" as you meant before eh...its pretty different but anyway its gw so it is normal that they change idea always..an example read what they wrote about bonesplitterz and gutbusters..im happy to see anyway changed their mind after the live of few days ago Edited June 14, 2019 by minthras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenomeen Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 (edited) these units were leaked in ghb2019 gaunt summoner 160 changeling 180 pink 180 blue 90 brims 60 enlightend on disc 160 flamers 140 exalted flamer 90 burning chariot 150 Edited June 15, 2019 by Fenomeen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AverageBoss Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 Ouch if the Ogroid is still 180. Have not seen the GS with familiars under either DoT or EC. I wonder if its listed under Other, or if they possibly removed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenshin620 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 Just now, AverageBoss said: Have not seen the GS with familiars under either DoT or EC. I wonder if its listed under Other, or if they possibly removed it. "If we dont sell it, it has no rules!" - GW circa 2019. Well just use the ghb2018 points I guess and have the warscroll pdf on hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AverageBoss Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 1 minute ago, kenshin620 said: "If we dont sell it, it has no rules!" - GW circa 2019. Well just use the ghb2018 points I guess and have the warscroll pdf on hand. Yet Tomb Kings are back in this GHB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenshin620 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 Just now, AverageBoss said: Yet Tomb Kings are back in this GHB. Well they did specifically mention the compendium rules in their previews. But as for AoS specific stuff, they don't like "confusing" new players with models you can't get a hold of outside of ebay (not counting the darn sold out VS boxes that are still somehow not reboxed yet. what is taking them so long!). I didn't check, do they still have the oop units from Swifthawk Agents or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandamina Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 23 minutes ago, AverageBoss said: Ouch if the Ogroid is still 180. It is 170 now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AverageBoss Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Pandamina said: It is 170 now. Still a bit pricey. Also still not tempted to take any of the 3 classes of Flamer or Screamers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kairos Tejedestinos Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 23 hours ago, Pandamina said: Pinks at 180 pts and reductions across the board for us. Tier S army hype? The biggest change are brimstone costing 60 points instead of 70. Changehost here we go again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reezark_SP Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 where is the source of these point changes you are all seeing currently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenshin620 Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 4 hours ago, Reezark_SP said: where is the source of these point changes you are all seeing currently? Should be some youtube videos around I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUFNSTUF Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 Can someone explain to me how a changehost list should work? Just flood the enemy with horrors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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