AoS 2 - Disciples of Tzeentch Discussion

[LordPrometheus]

2 minutes ago, Sinfullyvannila said:

You’re better off with Tzaangor Enlightened over Knights. Knights need a warshrine buff or the Chaos Sorcerer Lord buff to be worthwhile.

Gaunt Summoner on Disc is going to be a staple from now on I’m sure; since you don’t need a terrain piece to summon the pinks with him anymore so he’s basically 80 points for a 2 cast with a decent spell(his pinks don’t count as battleline though). They may be changing the foot model to do the same.

Chaos Sorcerer Lord on Manticore should math put to being a stronger horde clearing spell than Summoner on foot but is pretty pricy. 

I have 2 of the foot model. Are they worthless compared to the flying one?

[Sinfullyvannila]

13 minutes ago, LordPrometheus said:

I have 2 of the foot model. Are they worthless compared to the flying one?

Their horde clearer is still stronger than the flying one and like I said; they may be getting updated.

[LordPrometheus]

Ok cool. Thanks!

[kenshin620]

I do hope Heralds of Tzeentch become more interesting. They just kind of....exist.

I guess thats the problem, theres so many wizards that if you're just a little bit "meh" then you'll get passed by another.

[Sinfullyvannila]

1 hour ago, kenshin620 said:

I do hope Heralds of Tzeentch become more interesting. They just kind of....exist.

I guess thats the problem, theres so many wizards that if you're just a little bit "meh" then you'll get passed by another.

They’re ok if you pair them with Blue Scribes. Have the scribes learn their spell and then cast it on the 2+.

[Maximum]

I hope the new battletome improves the arcanist part, I'm sick of having only the changehost to compete.

[Sinfullyvannila]

2 hours ago, Maximum said:

I hope the new battletome improves the arcanist part, I'm sick of having only the changehost to compete.

Well there is an Acolyte featured on the cover and a new Arcanite hero so I feel things are looking up.

[simakover]

im hope that horrors is stay high in meta, im just painted around 100 of it. worried about tzaans or arcanites is new meta, dont want paint 100 more(

Edited December 27, 2019 by simakover

[Maximum]

5 hours ago, Sinfullyvannila said:

Bene, sulla copertina c'è un Accolito e un nuovo eroe di Arcanite, quindi sento che le cose stanno migliorando.

Yes, it bodes well.
Hopefully the new hero will make skyfire and enlightened battleline, I've always loved the idea of the skyshoal coven.

[EMMachine]

9 minutes ago, Maximum said:

Yes, it bodes well.
Hopefully the new hero will make skyfire and enlightened battleline, I've always loved the idea of the skyshoal coven.

The funny part is, it would make more sence if the Tzaangor Shaman would make them Battleline (after the other models are Tzaangors).

[lemonicus]

2 hours ago, EMMachine said:

The funny part is, it would make more sence if the Tzaangor Shaman would make them Battleline (after the other models are Tzaangors).

Maybe it goes like arcanite general on disc (or on foot even) makes them battleline.

[MitGas]

3 hours ago, EMMachine said:

The funny part is, it would make more sence if the Tzaangor Shaman would make them Battleline (after the other models are Tzaangors).

That is so true it made me smile - if GW links those tow units becoming battleline to the new Magister model, it would be a tremendous oversight. That poor Shaman's feelings.

Edited December 27, 2019 by MitGas

[CJPT]

Here's a theory - I wonder if 'DISC OF TZEENTCH' will become a keyword, replacing the 'DAEMON' keyword that disc units currently have. The fuzziness of the current system is exactly the sort of thing I'd expect a new book to tidy up - no more daemon spells for Tzaangor Shamans, or casting Fold Reality on Englightened. This'd also let them write a rule for Enlightened like 'Battleline if your general is a DISC OF TZEENTCH ARCANITE HERO', enabling Tzaangor Shamans, Fatemasters and the new Magisters to fill that slot.

Or I could be completely wrong!

[GeneralZero]

....or simply "battleline if general on disc" 😜

 

[kenshin620]

31 minutes ago, CJPT said:

Here's a theory - I wonder if 'DISC OF TZEENTCH' will become a keyword, replacing the 'DAEMON' keyword that disc units currently have. The fuzziness of the current system is exactly the sort of thing I'd expect a new book to tidy up - no more daemon spells for Tzaangor Shamans, or casting Fold Reality on Englightened. This'd also let them write a rule for Enlightened like 'Battleline if your general is a DISC OF TZEENTCH ARCANITE HERO', enabling Tzaangor Shamans, Fatemasters and the new Magisters to fill that slot.

Or I could be completely wrong!

Well the Slaves to Darkness Chaos Lord on Daemonic Mount still follows the Daemon keyword theme, I think they'll keep the "daemon mount = daemon".

Meanwhile khorne players still grumble that GW decided that Juggernauts aren't daemons.

[MitGas]

45 minutes ago, CJPT said:

Here's a theory - I wonder if 'DISC OF TZEENTCH' will become a keyword, replacing the 'DAEMON' keyword that disc units currently have. The fuzziness of the current system is exactly the sort of thing I'd expect a new book to tidy up - no more daemon spells for Tzaangor Shamans, or casting Fold Reality on Englightened. This'd also let them write a rule for Enlightened like 'Battleline if your general is a DISC OF TZEENTCH ARCANITE HERO', enabling Tzaangor Shamans, Fatemasters and the new Magisters to fill that slot.

Or I could be completely wrong!

Yours would be a very smart solution - although I do love getting my Enlightened back but if our internal balance gets better, we might not need to rely on them as much.

[Carnelian]

I expect pink horrors to become cheaper but less effective so that they are in line points wise with the other basic daemons, so that it makes sense for Gaunt Summoners to work in Khorne, Nurgle and Slaanesh armies too. At the moment they're summoning 180 points of Tzeentch but much less for the other factions

Edited December 27, 2019 by Carnelian

[MitGas]

1 hour ago, Carnelian said:

I expect pink horrors to become cheaper but less effective so that they are in line points wise with the other basic daemons, so that it makes sense for Gaunt Summoners to work in Khorne, Nurgle and Slaanesh armies too. At the moment they're summoning 180 points of Tzeentch but much less for the other factions

Fitting as Tzeentch is superior to his degenerate brothers in almost every way!

[kenshin620]

3 hours ago, Carnelian said:

I expect pink horrors to become cheaper but less effective so that they are in line points wise with the other basic daemons, so that it makes sense for Gaunt Summoners to work in Khorne, Nurgle and Slaanesh armies too. At the moment they're summoning 180 points of Tzeentch but much less for the other factions

To be fair it is weird for a Gaunt Summoner of TZEENTCH to summon Nurgle daemons!

[Prometheo567]

17 minutes ago, kenshin620 said:

To be fair it is weird for a Gaunt Summoner of TZEENTCH to summon Nurgle daemons!

Tzeentch routinely uses the other three gods for his own schemes. I can see one of his agents opening a rancid portal spewing nurgle creatures is that benefits him.

[Sinfullyvannila]

1 hour ago, Prometheo567 said:

Tzeentch routinely uses the other three gods for his own schemes. I can see one of his agents opening a rancid portal spewing nurgle creatures is that benefits him.

I don’t want my Pinks nerfed so that one of my units work better in other factions that won’t use them(also KHORNE can’t even take one in their army since it’s a wizard).

Besides, Pinks are only remotely worth their points in a Tzeentch list. And they’re only an absolute steal when your opponent is inexperienced enough to kill them off in the first 3 turns.

 

Edited December 27, 2019 by Sinfullyvannila

[kenshin620]

1 hour ago, Sinfullyvannila said:

also KHORNE can’t even take one in their army since it’s a wizard).

Nothing is stopping Khorne from taking Wizards allies.

[Sinfullyvannila]

1 hour ago, kenshin620 said:

Nothing is stopping Khorne from taking Wizards allies.

The only Wizard KHORNE armies can take is Archaon. Unless that got changed in a GHB, which I don’t have access to right now.

Also IIRC, NURGLE can’t ally Tzeentch units.

Edited December 28, 2019 by Sinfullyvannila

[decker_cky]

1 hour ago, Sinfullyvannila said:

The only Wizard KHORNE armies can take is Archaon. Unless that got changed in a GHB, which I don’t have access to right now.

Also IIRC, NURGLE can’t ally Tzeentch units.

Can't every marked army ally in slaves to darkness, which includes gaunt summoner on disc?

[Grimrock]

1 hour ago, Sinfullyvannila said:

The only Wizard KHORNE armies can take is Archaon. Unless that got changed in a GHB, which I don’t have access to right now.

Also IIRC, NURGLE can’t ally Tzeentch units.

As per the Khorne book, they can ally in Everchosen and Slaves to Darkness units, there is no specification for wizards. The only thing it says is Khorne can't take units with the SLAANESH keyword. You generally don't want to since there are a number of passive auras that mess with any form of magic, even friendly, but technically you still can. 

I was thinking and it's possible that they might change Pinks so they're not wizards anymore and just give them a better ranged attack. I thought that's what they were back in Fantasy, but I can't remember. If they did that then they could drop the points down and the gaunt summoner on disk would make a little more sense. 

Edited December 28, 2019 by Grimrock