ACBelMutie Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Few changes Blood Knights 180 Vhordrai 460 *Mourngul 270 I still remember Blood Knights used to cost 260 points Greetings 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoneHeart Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Deathmarch 150 Morghast did not change despite them being 190 in obr now nor did hexwraits - they are 130 in NH Everything else is untouched. I think the blood knights have been reduced because the remaining LoN players are playing LoB now? I think that's just the final nail in the coffin (haha) for us now. No ethereal amulet and no point cost reduction in core units and heroes which I think we needed the most. Sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedraxis Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 15 minutes ago, BoneHeart said: Deathmarch 150 Morghast did not change despite them being 190 in obr now nor did hexwraits - they are 130 in NH Everything else is untouched. I think the blood knights have been reduced because the remaining LoN players are playing LoB now? I think that's just the final nail in the coffin (haha) for us now. No ethereal amulet and no point cost reduction in core units and heroes which I think we needed the most. Sad I'm assuming the GHB just copied the OBR book points, since the pdf with their changes comes later. They could still very well be 190. It does seem like all the old tomes are getting pretty much abandoned. Stormcast got some drops across the board but other then that it's mostly 1 or 2 units and some heroes. The aftersave rule makes me think they're prepping for a new baseline, since a lot of abilities, spells and artefacts are suddenly out of a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lare2 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) The changes are uninspiring. Hey ho, another year of moving closer and closer to NH. The future is not bright for LoN. Edited July 6, 2020 by lare2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) I'd assume changes to units that obr shares are coming with the obr update later, which means arkhan & nagash could change as well, though I wouldn't count on it. Coven throne is cheaper. Shame there's no battalion that uses it. Confused why it and not the bloodseekee got the discount, that things bad. No discounts for overpriced mortarchs, wights, necromancers, or zombies, and loss of realm spells & items hurts LoN pretty badly. Unfortunate. Oh well, maybe next year. Edited July 7, 2020 by Sception 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honk Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 6 hours ago, Sception said: Oh well, maybe next year. I guess we had our time nach in pre-AoS 2.0, now other cheese reigns and we are kinda well balanced... still some mechanics and decisions are/were interesting, like giving us the best NH units or taking our lord and his right hand out into a new legion 🤪 gotta play with the hand GDubs throws in your face, hoping for a bit more fleshed our real vampire army and some mortals of shyish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoogens Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 It's still weird that Nagash, the leader of "Legions of Nagash", in his own personal sub-allegiance, Grand Host of Nagash, is worse than when you take him in OBR. That's just soooo backwards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACBelMutie Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 My two cents goes for new legiones commanded by Vampires and Nagash at OBR with Arkhan. That's not what I want, but that's what I think they will do. Greetings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honk Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 35 minutes ago, Snoogens said: It's still weird that Nagash, the leader of "Legions of Nagash", in his own personal sub-allegiance, Grand Host of Nagash, is worse than when you take him in OBR. That's just soooo backwards. QfT... crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedraxis Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 minute ago, ACBelMutie said: My two cents goes for new legiones commanded by Vampires and Nagash at OBR with Arkhan. That's not what I want, but that's what I think they will do. Greetings Hmm well if they're going for a Vampire Counts reborn sort of thing that might be cool. Especially if they were to throw a wrench is Nagash's OBR schemes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seihoff Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, ACBelMutie said: My two cents goes for new legiones commanded by Vampires and Nagash at OBR with Arkhan. That's not what I want, but that's what I think they will do. Greetings I think the same as you. Maybe LoN is going to reconvert in the "old Vampire Counts" tome with some nice aditions like elite vampire infantry and some model updates like bats and blood knights (this is not going to happen 😂), without Arkgash and improved specific weight for Nef, Mannfred and Vhordrai. They can also rescue big names like Abhorash or Vlad. Maybe the Morghast are going to leave too with Nagash and Arkhan. Edited July 7, 2020 by Seihoff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 2 hours ago, ACBelMutie said: My two cents goes for new legiones commanded by Vampires and Nagash at OBR with Arkhan. That's not what I want, but that's what I think they will do. Greetings Fits with the lore, though. The so called grand host was an army of mostly skeletons and morghasts that nagash used to get things done while preparing his actual plans, the black pyramid and the ossiarchs. Black pyramid flubbed, but gave him an army of nighthaunts and revealed katakros's location as a consolation prize, and the nighthaunts got katakros back letting him successfully pull off the other big plan by finishing & unleashing the ossiarchs. And now that 'nagash's vision for the mortal realms', his perfected undead, march at his command, why would Nagash bother with the grand host anymore? When he has the army of his dreams, why would he waste time with an army of convenience? The bulk of the grand host was hordes of deathrattle soldiers. If bones are such a rare and precious commodity that the bonereapers continuously harvest in bulk, wouldn't the legions of skeletons Nagash had on hand have beenbimmediately ground up? In light of OBR lore, there's not really a reason to think that the Grand Host, or the Legion of Sacrament for that matter, even exist anymore. There's no lore reason to think that either Nagash or Arkhan would bother kerping their old Legions around, quite the contrary given that OBR aren't allowed to ally with them, so it honestly either character working better in OBR than LoN fits perfectly well with the lore, evenbif it isn't really what I would have wanted to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warhammernerd Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Agreed, LoN makes zero sense now. LoB or Soulblight is the direction it now needs to follow. Bats, dogs, vamps for the win. x 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 It doesn't have to be that way, mind. The devs & writers *could* write new lore to give a reason for LoN to still be around. They just haven't done so yet, and seem to be moving in the opposite direction of that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoogens Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 GHoN, Skeleton Warriors vs Chainrasp Horde. Pros and cons? I'm having a hard time choosing which one to use in my list. I guess Skeletons are more killy but less mobile, while Chainrasp are less killy and more mobile? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honk Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 4 hours ago, Snoogens said: Pros and cons? Skeletons = trveness bedsheets = abomination Otherwise you assessment sums it up pretty good. The cursed bedsheets are also more durable with an ethereal 5+ save, while skellis only have a 5+ against non rend attacks and no save against any rend... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lare2 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Skellies are just not the force they once were. I've been replacing them slowly with Chainrasps, which I feel nowadays are just better in every way, including on the offensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoogens Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 thanks guys, that's all the convincing I needed. This sunday the 40x Chainrasps get to see the light of day! 8 hours ago, Honk said: Skeletons = trveness bedsheets = abomination Otherwise you assessment sums it up pretty good. The cursed bedsheets are also more durable with an ethereal 5+ save, while skellis only have a 5+ against non rend attacks and no save against any rend... 2 hours ago, lare2 said: Skellies are just not the force they once were. I've been replacing them slowly with Chainrasps, which I feel nowadays are just better in every way, including on the offensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 In defense of skellies, they're a heck of a lot cheaper in terms of real world monetary output. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honk Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 4 hours ago, Snoogens said: Chainrasps get to see the light of day! Where they will dissolve into dust and will be replaced by clean, non moaning and very nice old school skeletons... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACBelMutie Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 4 hours ago, Sception said: In defense of skellies, they're a heck of a lot cheaper in terms of real world monetary output. I don't think so haha. There is a new warhammer AoS colection. The first magazine came with 10 chainrasps and 3 Sequitors for 2€. Cheaper than the skeletons by far Greetings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Where are you getting access to a bunch of just the first issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seihoff Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 9 hours ago, Sception said: Where are you getting access to a bunch of just the first issue? I bought 4-5 from local kiosks when the colection come out. Nowadays it seems difficult to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Some folks getting a bunch cheap from a UK/Ireland only promotion that seems to have ended a while ago doesn't help anyone trying to collect a unit now. Even on the secondary market, chainrasps are still more expensive than full retail priced skeletons from what I can tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoogens Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) Managed to win with GHoN last week versus an Arkhan OBR Mortek spam list. Was positively surprised! GHoN definitely still packs a punch. We played Total Conquest I believe it's called, I don't quite recall the name. 4 objectives. +1 VP if you took it from the enemy. +1 VP if you have a leader on it. We played in the realm of Aqshy, so the Fireball (D6 MWs on units of 10+ models) was super tasty versus Mortek Guard. Command Points was obviously an issue, the "Commanding" terrain feature was rolled, but it was on a terrain piece super far away from Nagash.. So I ended up only using CP for Nagash's command ability. Ended up positioning my Gravestones so one Objective had 3 in range of it when I had a big blob of Grimghast there. That combined with the Necro, turned out to be absolutely crazy. He challenged that objective with a unit of 20 Morteks and some mounted Leader. The Grimghast just wouldn't die thanks to 4D3 rolls of regen every turn, plus Nagash's flat 3W regen. Chainrasps proved extremely viable versus the Mortek, absolutely slapping a unit of 20 (with the sneaky help of Nagash's 2" and 3" attack from behind them.. that might have helped a bit, hehe). Dire Wolves tried to do their thing, and I guess they succeeded to some degree - managed to snag me a total of 3 VP during the game. All in all, super happy with the performance of the list. Edited July 17, 2020 by Snoogens Wrong thingy on corpse cart. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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