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AoS 2 - Blades of Khorne Discussion

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Great work @AresX8, I’ve gone through this with my main group of degenerates that I play with. We’re basically sworn enemies and they’ve signed off on it no worries at all. 

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2 hours ago, Troll.exe said:

Great work @AresX8, I’ve gone through this with my main group of degenerates that I play with. We’re basically sworn enemies and they’ve signed off on it no worries at all. 

Great to hear! There's a crazy amount of cross references required but it's amazing to see all of it work within the rules.

For the curious, I compiled my breakdown on how I believed we were playing Reapers of Vengeance wrong because we were playing the Slaughterhost’s command ability, Leave None Alive, as if only Heroes were allowed to use it, which you can find on my YouTube channel's Facebook page here: 

 

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Greetings Blood Boilers!

Figured some of you might be interested that over the weekend I attended Sydney GT; a 2 day x 5 game event with 2500 point armies and 84 players.

I took a fairly anti-magic list as I anticipated endless spells and other magic shenanigans to be a big factor (we were using the realms of metal and fire and the realm spells were available to any wizard). As it turned out I drew khorne twice, Iron Jaws (with no shaman) and Nighthaunt (one wizard who died turn 2) which was disappointing. My final Nurgle opponent had four casters so I finally got to roll some unbinds.

I had ensured my list was 2 drops, via Gore Pilgrims and Blood Host, as I thought determining who went first would be crucial. Hard to say if it was however I definitely felt my opponents had an advantage via being able to deploy their units to counter mine (i.e. ensuring wizards are outside 30” of the Wraith of Khorne thirster with Mage Eater Crown, mirror matching deployment in Duality of Death, etc). Definitely something to consider for next tournament.

There were 6 Khorne players at the GT with 5 lists taking at least 3 if not 4 bloodthirsters each, including my own. The 6th was an all mortal list with 50 x bloodreavers, 40 x marauders and 2 x warshrines.

The resident #1 khorne player in Australia, Matt Campbell, again went 5-0 for the tournament (15 straight wins for him at tournaments now) but finished 2nd overall to a nasty Stormcast “shootcast” list (it was basically a 40K army the shooting was that good). I had the fortune of playing against Matt in my second game and it was awesome to see his mastery of the game and the tools available to khorne first hand. It was also my first time facing up to Skarbrand and he did not disappoint.

I also faced the mortal khorne list in my 4th game but played poorly while the dice didn’t help me out either (khorne cares not). Fighting through all that chaff was painful and the combo of 10 x Wrathmongers with Skarr Bloodwraith was highly effective, as was the double warshrine buff. My opponent ended up winning best Chaos so it was a good showing for Khorne overall.

Apart from those two losses I had solid wins against nighthaunt and iron jaws (old battletome) and a minor loss to a really tough Nurgle list with 3 Great Unclean Ones, 30 x plaguebearers and 40 x plague monks.

Going into my first large solo tournament I was happy to get one win so getting 2 meant I was reasonably pleased. 2500 points certainly allows for some filthy lists (looking at you vanguard raptors with 2 shots each firing twice per turn). Glad I didn’t have to face any Slaanesh, Daughters of Khaine, Fire Slayers or Skaven. In one game between Khorne & Slaanesh they churned through over a dozen Keepers and Bloodthirsters before the game was done thanks to the stupid amounts of Bloodtithe and Depravity that was flowing! One Slaanesh player managed enough depravity to summon 5½  Keepers in one game!

Happy skull hunting!

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9 hours ago, Agent of Chaos said:

I had the fortune of playing against Matt in my second game and it was awesome to see his mastery of the game and the tools available to khorne first hand

I got to see him play at CanCon this year. Seems like a great guy. Cheers for the tourney report. Well done.

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@Agent of Chaos It sounds like you used the Bloodhost to be a catch-all battalion just to ensure getting down to 2 drops and no other reasoning, is that right?

What Slaughterhost did you use?

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@AresX8 100% correct mate. Blood Host was purely for a 2 drop army as the reroll charges was redundant for all but the Bloodthirsters themselves. However that being said in one game I did reroll the insensate rage thirster's charge from a 6 into an 11 which got him where I needed him before he tore through around 20 Iron Jaw Brutes! Seeing that go off alone made the battalion worth it 🙂

I used Reapers of Vengeance slaughterhost as for me its the most competitive option when running thirsters. With the random damage output you really want them having 2 bites at it.  

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Lists for the record https://drive.google.com/file/d/12vg4URL6E-M97M6EGw1K1-OwYiiiMdzX/view?fbclid=IwAR1m7a2ZhV2iY1rnpO9jIm_bQHALL4g2vlWEe4b2sBVM_G4zM5p-syyNFa0

So competitive khorne is all pretty much 3 thirster+chaff. Which I personally consider a trap, but whatever, it works.

There seems to be a consensus on Skarbrand+IR amberglaive +UF crimson crown setup. Also a consensus on dogs as the filler. If not dogs then it's either pilgrims or BoC.

Hexgorgers are the judgement of choice. Killing frenzy is the prayer of choice.

No consesus on skarr and mongers, though  they are used.

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@Smooth criminal More or less yes,  competitive Khorne is with at least 3 thirsters. 6" pile in is incredibly powerful and gives daemons a huge amount of flexibility so Crimson Crown on Unfettered Fury is a must have. Dogs are an amazing unit for the versatility, cost and fulfilling battleline.  

That being said the all mortal list with dual shrines won best chaos and was second only to Matt Campbell in terms of Khorne so that is definitely a viable competitive build as well.

From a competitive perspective the main function of judgements is movement blocking with any damage caused a bonus. Therefore the skulls have to be the judgement of choice for the reliability of casting.  

Personally I only acquired a 3rd Thirster leading up to the tournament so I was always going to give it a whirl but there are definitely alternate builds out there. 

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I can see mortal horde build being a thing. Secrator+bloodstoker+shrine quadruples the effectiveness of a weak horde unit, it's only a matter of willing to asemble 3x40 marauders.

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39 minutes ago, Smooth criminal said:

I can see mortal horde build being a thing. Secrator+bloodstoker+shrine quadruples the effectiveness of a weak horde unit, it's only a matter of willing to asemble 3x40 marauders.

Although they don't get in on battalions, I think I prefer a block of 40 Marauders to partner with a Brazen Fury Warshrine these days. They've got a smaller base, they buff themselves (plus I've got some sweet Frostgrave plastic barbarians for them too, so I'm probably a bit biased in that respect). It's certainly not like the good days though, with Secrator battleshock immunity and no wholly within. 😞

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1 hour ago, Smooth criminal said:

I can see mortal horde build being a thing. Secrator+bloodstoker+shrine quadruples the effectiveness of a weak horde unit, it's only a matter of willing to asemble 3x40 marauders.

This is what I'm going to take at B&G.

Running screened Skar, mortals in MSU blocks, shrine+brazen+killing frenzy in GP, with dog summons. This hopefully will make a durable objective fighting army with a bit of monster smashing punch.

Now I wouldn't get your hopes up because while the plane might look impressive the pilot just got his licence if you catch my drift 😆

Mauraders having been getting a bit of a spotlight recently. Nurgle been running them, Khorne and a American GT was won with 40 as a order mercenary group. 

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I've had great fun running 40 marauders + blood forged for ages. Even without the immunity to battleshock, whipping them blessing them and tossing them onto an objective is quite tricky to shift! 

I'm trying to get a list I like with brass despoilers to work atm, as I'd like to take it to the GT in Nottingham in Jan. 

I currently have 100pts spare, should I take a Slaughterpriest with killing frenzy? Or farm cps and blood tithe off of a unit of gor? 

 

Allegiance : Khorne

- Slaughterhost: Reapers of Vengeance
Mortal Realm: Hysh
Doombull of Khorne (120)
- Artefact: Skullshard Mantle
Bloodsecrator (120)
- General
- Trait: Mage Eater
- Artefact: Aetherquartz Brooch
Grashrak Fellhoof (140)
- Allies
10 x Gors of Khorne (70)
10 x Gors of Khorne (70)
10 x Gors of Khorne (70)
10 x Bestigors of Khorne (120)
10 x Bestigors of Khorne (120)
6 x Bullgors of Khorne (320)
4 x Tuskgor Chariots of Khorne (200)
5 x Wrathmongers (140)
5 x Wrathmongers (140)
5 x Grashrak's Despoilers (0)
5 x Centigors (80)
Brass Despoilers (190)

Total: 1900 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 1
Allies: 140 / 400
Wounds: 161

Is what I've got so far. Very msu, hopefully very fast with the beast grave warband in there. I doubt I'll get his spell off, but a couple of mortal wounds and an extra +1 to hit seems cool. 

 

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You have only 1 big unit to buff so you will get more mileage out of BP generating priest and trying to go for summon. I recommend to redirect wounds to priest himself actually, frees up a unit and makes priest eventually become a blood point himself.

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On 10/16/2019 at 12:07 PM, Agent of Chaos said:

That being said the all mortal list with dual shrines won best chaos and was second only to Matt Campbell in terms of Khorne so that is definitely a viable competitive build as well.

Oh, I am a derp. I saw 2 shrines and thought they brought 2 altar of skulls.

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Hey blood crazed psychos and skull taking murderers, I have a dumb question because I’m sort of new to Sigmar. While I’m primarily an Order player, I do have the swish bang Archaon model and was wandering if he’d take on the Slaughterhost Keyword and get to reap the benefits. It says all dudes with the KHORNE Keyword get to be part of it, but I have a feeling that it’s stated named characters like him can’t join these kinds of things. I wanted to ask anyway though.

Thanks :) 

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As long as a character doesn't already have a specific Mini Faction Keyword, they can gain the keyword.

Unlike Korghos who is already Goretide.

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1 hour ago, Tiberius501 said:

Wow, that seems bonkers good, Archaon attacking twice in the Reapers of Vengeance! 

Yea it’s pretty good. Remember he’s got both mortal and daemon keywords too. So you can wipe him in fury with a bloodstoker for reroll wounds and he get reroll hits of 1 vanilla in khorne armies from locus of fury. Reapers+bloodstoker+locus makes for a deadly combination for very little effort, just have to keep that bloodstoker close.

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Yeah, add a Secrator to that and he’s laughing... It feels a little dirty, but I’m tempted >8D

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3 hours ago, Tiberius501 said:

Yeah, add a Secrator to that and he’s laughing... It feels a little dirty, but I’m tempted >8D

Archaon + reapers + 'secrator+ bloodstoker is cool. Piling in 6" with the bloodthirster of unfettered fury command ability twice is amazing as well! 

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Any suggestions for a Meeting Engagements list? I currently have the old mortals SC (Slaughterpriest, warriors, Mighty Skullcrushers) and the StD Battleforce, and may pick up the current mortals SC. 

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I'm about to play my first game in a local 1250 point meeting engagement league (3 games followed by 3 more using pitched battle rules).

Tossing up between 2 lists but in both cases the focus is on speed (first game is Death Pass). My opponent is Flesh Eater Courts although apparently not a fan of terrorgheists so I'm expecting an Abhorrent with lots of flayers, ghouls and Courtiers.

List 1: Daemons (mostly)- idea is to build up some early blood tithe by sacrificing Riptooth and Magore's fiends for some hero phase movement once the thirsters get on the table. Holding the Insensate Rage back in the rearguard is risky but with +4" movement and reroll charges, not to mention a 6" pile in, I'm confident he will get involved enough. Also hoping for a bonus unit of dogs from Karanak but appreciate that will be tricky. 

Allegiance: Khorne
- Slaughterhost: The Bloodlords

Spearhead
Slaughterpriest (100)
-
 Blood Blessing: Blood Sacrifice
5 x Flesh Hounds (100)
3 x Magore's Fiends (80)
1 x Riptooth (40)

Main Body
Karanak (140)
Bloodthirster of Unfettered Fury (270)
-
 Artefact: Halo of Blood
10 x Flesh Hounds (200)

Rearguard
Bloodthirster of Insensate Rage (270)
-
 General
- Trait: Slaughterer's Thirst

Extra Command Point (50)

Total: 1250 / 1250
Extra Command Points: 1

 

List 2: Mortals (mostly)- simple idea for this list... lots of speed. Bloodstoker with spearhead to maximise his movement buffing, especially with the item choices. The priests will look to buff the spearhead knights at first, then buff the warriors to hold my objective or the skullreapers/knights again if I am pressing his objective. Bloodsecrator turns up late to help me defend the home objective before pushing onto the enemy objective. Not sold on this list yet but it has promise.

 

Allegiance: Khorne

Spearhead
Bloodstoker (80)
-
 General
- Trait: Violent Urgency
- Artefact: Talisman of Burning Blood
5 x Flesh Hounds (100)
5 x Skullreapers (180)
5 x Chaos Knights (160)
-
 Chaos Glaives

Main Body
Slaughterpriest (100)
-
 Blood Blessing: Killing Frenzy
Slaughterpriest (100)
-
 Blood Blessing: Bronzed Flesh
10 x Blood Warriors (200)
-
 Goreaxe & Gorefist
- 1x Goreglaives
5 x Chaos Knights (160)
-
 Chaos Glaives

Rearguard
Bloodsecrator (120)

Extra Command Point (50)

Total: 1250 / 1250
Extra Command Points: 1

 

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Just to add to all the questions and army lists, I wanted to make people feel better about themselves with my list:

Reapers of Vengeance

Leaders

- Archaon

- Secrator

Battleline

- 10x Blood Warriors

- 10x Blood Warriors

- 20x Bloodletters

Other

- 10x Chaos Knights

- 3x Varanguard

Total Points: 1980/2000

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13 hours ago, smartazjb0y said:

Any suggestions for a Meeting Engagements list? I currently have the old mortals SC (Slaughterpriest, warriors, Mighty Skullcrushers) and the StD Battleforce, and may pick up the current mortals SC. 

I'd suggest:

Goretide

Spearhead:

5xChaos knights

Main body:

Manticore lord, trait and artifact to make him killy

priest, bronze flesh

10x warriors - use CP to put these dudes on objective and buff them

5x Chaos knights

Rearguard:

Chariot

50pt for a CP

 

I heavily recommend having a unit or two of dogs to summon because you will have little other uses for BP.

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