GlitzFan Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 @sal4m4nd3r What's your reasoning with going with x5 10 units of riders and not units of 20 or 30? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
froo Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 What I'd like to see for Spiderfang Spider Riders, Skitterstrand down 10 points. Spider Riders should also be 480 points for a maximum unit (to incentivise taking hordes of them) Flinger down 20 points Webspinner on foot and Webspinner on Arachnarok are fine as they are points wise. The Warparty seems fine for its points. What would make this army also interesting is if it becomes battleline if the Webspinner on Arachnarok is the general (so that there looks like other general options). I think even a slight points increase to 260 for this would be worthwhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adreal Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 While I wouldn't complain about point changes, being that this is a new battletome, be tempered with expectations, some units (overall) may see some increases but I highly doubt there will be decreases Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitzFan Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 is it worth taking 2 webspinners on aracknarok knowing that their +1 to cast does not stack to +2 to cast? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
froo Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 6 hours ago, GlitzFan said: is it worth taking 2 webspinners on aracknarok knowing that their +1 to cast does not stack to +2 to cast? Yes. The buff that they do is key to Spiderfang synergy and so taking two gives you redundancy for this effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newtype_Zero Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 16 hours ago, GlitzFan said: is it worth taking 2 webspinners on aracknarok knowing that their +1 to cast does not stack to +2 to cast? Actually just saw a discussion on Facebook about this. The bonus does stack now! Per the Core Rule FAQ (page 1) Q: If I have two different warscrolls for the same unit, can I choose which to use, or must I use the most recently published version? Do I have to use any errata that applies to the warscroll? A: You must use the most recently published warscroll and errata that you or your opponent have available. Warscrolls with a date of publication are always considered to have been published more recently than a warscroll that doesn’t have one. If you have two warscrolls for a unit and neither has a date of publication, you can choose which warscroll to use. The Webspinner Shaman on Arachnarok Spider warscroll was updated through Azyr to read: Catchweb Spidershrine Add 1 to casting and unbinding rolls for friendly Spiderfang Wizards while they are within 12" of this model. The Last Update field for the Warscroll reads as June 2019, making it the most recently published warscroll. HOWEVER it no longer lists the ability of granting +2 to Bravery for Spiderfang units if it's the general. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitzFan Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Total of the spider god: While a friendly spiderfang unit is wholly within 12" of the bearer, it's spider venom ability causes mortal won we on an unmodified hit roll of 5+ instead of 6. Does this mean that only one single unit can be affected and not multiple within 12"? Does this also mean that the hero with the artefact can use it on themself (is there a FAQ stating models are wholly within themselves?) THnaks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newtype_Zero Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 6 hours ago, GlitzFan said: Total of the spider god: While a friendly spiderfang unit is wholly within 12" of the bearer, it's spider venom ability causes mortal won we on an unmodified hit roll of 5+ instead of 6. Does this mean that only one single unit can be affected and not multiple within 12"? Does this also mean that the hero with the artefact can use it on themself (is there a FAQ stating models are wholly within themselves?) THnaks in advance It effects any Spiderfang unit with Spider Venom wholly within 12" of the bearer, this includes the bearer. Keep in mind though, If you take The Black Spear with your Scuttleboss, the Totem does not effect The Black Spear's abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitzFan Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 @Newtype_Zero do you mean that if i had 3 spiderfang units wholly within that it would affects all 3 and the bearer too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newtype_Zero Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 2 hours ago, GlitzFan said: @Newtype_Zero do you mean that if i had 3 spiderfang units wholly within that it would affects all 3 and the bearer too? Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Some meeting Engagement list I been thinking about using with Spiderfang as a core Allegiance: Gloomspite Gitz SPEARHEAD Fungoid Cave-Shaman (90) - Lore of the Moonclans : The Hand of Gork 5 x Spider Riders (100) MAIN BODY Webspinner Shaman on Arachnarok Spider (300) - General - Artefact : Headdress of Many Eyes - Lore of the Spiderfangs : Sneaky Distraction 10 x Spider Riders (200) 20 x Shootas (130) REARGUARD 12 x Squig Herd (140) ENDLESS SPELLS / TERRAIN Scuttletide (30) 990/1000 or Allegiance: Gloomspite Gitz SPEARHEAD Scuttleboss on Gigantic Spider (100) - General - Command Trait : Monstrous Mount - Artefact : Totem of the Spider God 6 x Squig Herd (70) MAIN BODY Webspinner Shaman on Arachnarok Spider (300) - Lore of the Spiderfangs : Sneaky Distraction 10 x Spider Riders (200) 10 x Spider Riders (200) REARGUARD 20 x Shootas (130) 1000/1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitzFan Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 I reckon running 3 webspinner shamans on spiders is amazing! But what 3 spells would you take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newtype_Zero Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 New point changes actually have me really excited! I doubt it, but I'm wondering if a 1-drop Stalktribe might actually be viable now: Leaders: Scuttleboss (General) Webspinner Shaman on A-rok Webspinner Shaman Webspinner Shaman Battleline: 2x 10-man Spider Riders 2x 5-man Spider Riders Behemoths: A-rok w/ Warparty A-rok w/ Warparty Battalions: Arachnarok Spider Cluster Spider Rider Skitterswarm Spiderfang Stalktribe Endless Spells: Scuttletide Scrapskuttle's Arachnacauldren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amysrevenge Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 On 7/6/2019 at 9:59 PM, Newtype_Zero said: Actually just saw a discussion on Facebook about this. The bonus does stack now! Per the Core Rule FAQ (page 1) Q: If I have two different warscrolls for the same unit, can I choose which to use, or must I use the most recently published version? Do I have to use any errata that applies to the warscroll? A: You must use the most recently published warscroll and errata that you or your opponent have available. Warscrolls with a date of publication are always considered to have been published more recently than a warscroll that doesn’t have one. If you have two warscrolls for a unit and neither has a date of publication, you can choose which warscroll to use. The Webspinner Shaman on Arachnarok Spider warscroll was updated through Azyr to read: Catchweb Spidershrine Add 1 to casting and unbinding rolls for friendly Spiderfang Wizards while they are within 12" of this model. The Last Update field for the Warscroll reads as June 2019, making it the most recently published warscroll. HOWEVER it no longer lists the ability of granting +2 to Bravery for Spiderfang units if it's the general. I came in here to get all "well, actually" on you, but look at that, the Azyr app does include a "date of publication" on the warscroll, and it is newer than the battletome. If I'm not mistaken, the June 2019 version of the warscroll in the app is actually the pre-battletome version. So it seems like it is an error that it is there, and the battletome version is what should be in there. And the normal warscroll update procedure is not to stealth-buff or stealth-nerf warscolls via the app with no mention in the official FAQ. These two factors are enough for me that I would (and will) use the battletome version and not the app version in my own games, but I don't have a leg to stand on to insist that my opponent does the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newtype_Zero Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 41 minutes ago, amysrevenge said: I came in here to get all "well, actually" on you, but look at that, the Azyr app does include a "date of publication" on the warscroll, and it is newer than the battletome. If I'm not mistaken, the June 2019 version of the warscroll in the app is actually the pre-battletome version. So it seems like it is an error that it is there, and the battletome version is what should be in there. And the normal warscroll update procedure is not to stealth-buff or stealth-nerf warscolls via the app with no mention in the official FAQ. These two factors are enough for me that I would (and will) use the battletome version and not the app version in my own games, but I don't have a leg to stand on to insist that my opponent does the same. I could honestly go either way for it. Depends on if you're a RAW or RAI type person. I fully believe the intent is that the BT version of the rule is what should be there. However, this different warscroll has been in Azyr since at least April and was re-published in June with the updated date, so we can't know for sure. I would imagine if this were brought up in a tournament, a judge would rule that you need to go with the RAW (FAQ says to go with Azyr version, not the BT version). Hopefully they'll clarify it eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitzFan Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Well it makes a huge bloody difference. 1 want to run 3 webspinner shamans which would have them basically casting and unbinding with a very very high of of success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newtype_Zero Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 @GlitzFan Like I said above, if you go by RAW, the bonus stacks. So you're good to go with 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlasticCraic Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 I would recommend contacting the TO in advance if you're planning on doing it this way at an event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adreal Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 18 hours ago, Newtype_Zero said: New point changes actually have me really excited! I doubt it, but I'm wondering if a 1-drop Stalktribe might actually be viable now: Leaders: Scuttleboss (General) Webspinner Shaman on A-rok Webspinner Shaman Webspinner Shaman Battleline: 2x 10-man Spider Riders 2x 5-man Spider Riders Behemoths: A-rok w/ Warparty A-rok w/ Warparty Battalions: Arachnarok Spider Cluster Spider Rider Skitterswarm Spiderfang Stalktribe Endless Spells: Scuttletide Scrapskuttle's Arachnacauldren Pretty much what I'm going to run going forward, though I'm not taking the arachnacauldron and only 1 shaman on foot, but 3 units of 10 spiders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newtype_Zero Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 I thought about 3 units of 10, but I think 2 units of 5 and 2 units of 10 gives you a bit more flexibility. If you're not taking the cauldron and the other Shaman on foot what would you take instead? Another unit of 5 Spider Riders and maybe a 20 point Endless Spell? I would imagine the extra Shaman would be better since it gives you the extra bubble of re-rolling 1s for saves with the Stalktribe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitzFan Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Would someone explain the reasoning behind taking the shaman on foot? I don't see his spell being useful- I might be missing something about him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newtype_Zero Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 @GlitzFan - cheap extra spell caster that can get you access to an additional Spiderfang Lore. He has a 5+ invuln save and in the Stalktribe battalion he provides what is essentially a free Mystical Shield to all Spiderfang Units wholly within 24"(?) inches of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal4m4nd3r Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Think I’m going to try this out. Allegiance: Gloomspite GitzMortal Realm: Ghur Webspinner Shaman on Arachnarok Spider (280)- Lore of the Spiderfangs: Sneaky Distraction Webspinner Shaman on Arachnarok Spider (280)- Artefact: Gryph-feather Charm - Lore of the Spiderfangs: Gift of da Spider God Scuttleboss on Gigantic Spider (100)- General- Trait: Monstrous Mount - Artefact: Totem of the Spider God 10 x Spider Riders (200)10 x Spider Riders (200)10 x Spider Riders (200)10 x Spider Riders (200) Arachnarok Spider with Spiderfang Warparty (230) Spider Rider Skittermob (120) Malevolent Moon (40)Mork's Mighty Mushroom (90)Scuttletide (30)Prismatic Palisade (30)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 1Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 128 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlitzFan Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Your totem of spider god on scuttleboss in interesting. You might lose it quicker than if you had it on an A-rok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adreal Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 9 hours ago, Newtype_Zero said: I thought about 3 units of 10, but I think 2 units of 5 and 2 units of 10 gives you a bit more flexibility. If you're not taking the cauldron and the other Shaman on foot what would you take instead? Another unit of 5 Spider Riders and maybe a 20 point Endless Spell? I would imagine the extra Shaman would be better since it gives you the extra bubble of re-rolling 1s for saves with the Stalktribe. Scuttleboss with masterful spider rider and totem Shaman on Arachnarok with headdress and scuttling terrors Shaman with nibbles itty ring and gift of the spider God 10 spiders 10 spiders 10 spiders 5 spiders Arachnarok with warparty Arachnarok with warparty Skitterswarm Spider cluster Stalltribe Scuttletide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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