PJetski Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Well this certainly makes the Hammers of Sigmars battalion ability a lot more interesting... assuming it sticks around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielFM Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Requizen said: Alright guys, you can go ahead and be as pessimistic as you'd like. I have 100% confidence that they won't let their flagship army be garbage in the new edition that they're hyping lol, especially with all the new models they want to sell. Games Workshop has a story of releasing new models with poor rules and expecting to sell them just through the rule of cool and shiny factor. I wouldn't take that for granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requizen Posted May 24, 2018 Author Share Posted May 24, 2018 15 minutes ago, DanielFM said: Games Workshop has a story of releasing new models with poor rules and expecting to sell them just through the rule of cool and shiny factor. I wouldn't take that for granted. Pray tell, which of the recent AoS releases have been bad and unsellable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradipo322 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 20 minutes ago, DanielFM said: Games Workshop has a story of releasing new models with poor rules and expecting to sell them just through the rule of cool and shiny factor. I wouldn't take that for granted. Isn't this normally the opposite? New models thend to have stronger rules to help sell them, just look at idoneths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requizen Posted May 24, 2018 Author Share Posted May 24, 2018 Ah yes, Schrodinger's GW. Everything they release is simultaneously brokenly OP and also completely useless, depending on what will cause more drama ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielFM Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 29 minutes ago, Requizen said: Pray tell, which of the recent AoS releases have been bad and unsellable? 24 minutes ago, Bradipo322 said: Isn't this normally the opposite? New models thend to have stronger rules to help sell them, just look at idoneths. Vanguard Stormcast. Kharadron Overlords. Primaris Space Marines (in 40k). They were sold for the models, with totally underwhelming rules. You have a few examples out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requizen Posted May 24, 2018 Author Share Posted May 24, 2018 I mean, I sorta agree? But not really? Aquilor, Longstrikes, and Birds are good in Vanguard if for no other reason than Aetherstrike and shooting shenanigans, and Palladors have found themselves in plenty of lists as well. So basically only Hunters are considered "don't buy". Overlords were 50/50. Big ship is good, balloon dudes are good, Battleline are good, Thunderers were good when they came out. So it was only the smaller boats and some of the characters that were bad? Ziflin is still a tournament list that spoils a lot of top armies (including Tzeentch depending on the build). Primaris is also iffy, but Hellblasters, Aggressors, Lieutenants, Captains, the Banner, and occasionally Intercessors and Inceptors all see play. The big boat and Rievers are pretty bad, but it's by and far not a garbage release. Pure Primaris isn't topping tables, but if you think the range is garbage you're empirically fairly wrong. It's alright to have a pessimistic outlook, but the things they've released recently have been, on the whole, playable if not actually quite good. All the Maggotkin stuff was pretty good (maybe not the flying Blightlords?), all the Daughters were good as far as I've seen, and Deepkin have been started to be battletested as pretty good too depending on build. Why is it so unbelieveable that the new Stormcast will be good too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boombyeyeah Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 In the LoN preview today it was stated that you can use the same command ability multiple times, i see very strong vanguard wing builds with this ? blessed weapons and +3 to hit maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystycalchemy Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 8 hours ago, Requizen said: I mean, I sorta agree? But not really? Aquilor, Longstrikes, and Birds are good in Vanguard if for no other reason than Aetherstrike and shooting shenanigans, and Palladors have found themselves in plenty of lists as well. So basically only Hunters are considered "don't buy". Overlords were 50/50. Big ship is good, balloon dudes are good, Battleline are good, Thunderers were good when they came out. So it was only the smaller boats and some of the characters that were bad? Ziflin is still a tournament list that spoils a lot of top armies (including Tzeentch depending on the build). Primaris is also iffy, but Hellblasters, Aggressors, Lieutenants, Captains, the Banner, and occasionally Intercessors and Inceptors all see play. The big boat and Rievers are pretty bad, but it's by and far not a garbage release. Pure Primaris isn't topping tables, but if you think the range is garbage you're empirically fairly wrong. It's alright to have a pessimistic outlook, but the things they've released recently have been, on the whole, playable if not actually quite good. All the Maggotkin stuff was pretty good (maybe not the flying Blightlords?), all the Daughters were good as far as I've seen, and Deepkin have been started to be battletested as pretty good too depending on build. Why is it so unbelieveable that the new Stormcast will be good too? I thought the reason new nurgle was good was because you could take so many flying blightlords and basically turn 1 charge with all the trees you can get on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 I’m not that worried abort summoning, using the new wholly within lingo it’s going to be fairly straightforward to counter. At least with legions of Nagash, 40 skeletons wholly within 9 of a gravesite marker and outside of 9 of enemy models ? Encourages multiple smaller units. Summoning will be different, from being obviously broken to a more strategic use, one that can be countered obviously. The wholly within lingo will also make it Harder to use massive regiments buffed to insanity, imagine the current buffs one could use on a strong units like bloodletters, or plaguebearers. If they all were changed to wholly within they would be hard to take advantage off. My guess. Is that the language of the new edition will be the biggest game changer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chord Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Our Battletome is on the last chance to buy list! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuroyume Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Looks like Sacrosanct will not be optional, as with the new Endless Spells any army that can't bring 3-4 dispels to the table is going to be at a serious disadvantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmimzie Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 14 hours ago, kuroyume said: Looks like Sacrosanct will not be optional, as with the new Endless Spells any army that can't bring 3-4 dispels to the table is going to be at a serious disadvantage. It depends really, the spells are pretty powerful, but even with longer dispell range dispelling isn't always the best for countering hard core magic armies, as it's un reliable you'll be in range or that you can out roll your opponent. From there the endless spells are all very double edge, and spells like the purple sun i don't see doing a whole ton out side of thier inital casting. It's definitely something i'd have to play around with to know how powerful some of these endless spells will be. For instance that purple sun spell looks really hard to get off, while that portal spell requires another spell to be useful with out providing any bonuses to casting or a refund of the spell used like the vortex did. Definitly a cool new mechanic though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmimzie Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 31 minutes ago, xking said: endless smells? Yeah umm... yes... it's err umm <. < one of the endless spells... Yes!! The endless smells of nurgle..... >.> *cough* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 3 hours ago, mmimzie said: endless soells I preferred smells! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmimzie Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 11 hours ago, Turragor said: I preferred smells! i hate my phone and my chubby fingers... and laziness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjolnertf Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Hello, what do you think about this list at 1500k that I have for a next event? I have been a bit removed from the game and I do not know how the current goal is, comments and thank you very much for your time. Allegiance: Stormcast EternalsLeadersLord-Celestant On Stardrake (560)- General- Celestine Hammer- Trait: Staunch Defender - Artefact: Mirrorshield Lord-Relictor (80)- Prayer: Lightning ChariotLord-Castellant (100)Battleline5 x Judicators (160)- Skybolt Bows- 1x Shockbolt Bows5 x Judicators (160)- Skybolt Bows- 1x Shockbolt Bows10 x Liberators (200)- Warhammer & Shield- 2x GrandhammersUnits2 x Fulminators (240)Total: 1500 / 1750Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kozokus Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 On 5/24/2018 at 7:42 PM, Requizen said: Alright guys, you can go ahead and be as pessimistic as you'd like. I have 100% confidence that they won't let their flagship army be garbage in the new edition that they're hyping lol, especially with all the new models they want to sell. Bravo for finding counter-arguments on some Primaris entries (not counting the recent Deathwatch, which just saved the whole primaris range from beeing useless) ? But you forgot one thing : The Deathguard Codex !!!! where everything (except for the drone and the crawler) is bad at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledha Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Saying Kharadrons have underwhelming rules while they were ridiculously OP for 2 months and are still in the upper-third/Top 10/top 20 of so many tournament seems a bit exaggerated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wanderer Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 On 5/26/2018 at 4:58 PM, chord said: Our Battletome is on the last chance to buy list! About time too. It's over 15 months old, which makes this by far the longest Stormcast have gone without a new Battletome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chord Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 49 minutes ago, The Wanderer said: About time too. It's over 15 months old, which makes this by far the longest Stormcast have gone without a new Battletome. I think its more to do with the new chamber than time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmbbb3 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 I think the lord-Veritant will see a lot more play now, and i can imagine people charging the poor Gryph-Hound into the purple sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wanderer Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 17 hours ago, chord said: I think its more to do with the new chamber than time Banter, but yes we have at least 7 new units coming so a new tome makes sense. Also posterboys etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 I think that there will be many changes in SCE: in a business point of view, the new SCE is a big guy in AoS sales, along with Nighhaunt. They have to boost the sales of those ones. In a game point of view, there are too many changes not to rewrite (at least partially) the SCE battletome and add the new units, introduce the chambers and magic, rules, battailion, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trarux Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 Is it to much to hope for a new Allegiance abilitie in the new BT for SE aswell ? Think they can give us somthinge more special the deep strike since all other teams got that now aswell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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