PJetski Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 41 minutes ago, Richelieu said: That's only three that were posted. At GT heat three two of the top ten lists were Seraphon and there are more results we could dig up with Seraphon placing highly with and without Kroak. I don't think it's all doom and gloom, but from what has been leaked (with the usual caveat that we don't have the whole picture, yadayada) I must say I fear Seraphon more than any other army in 2.0. They're going to be strong but they will have bad matchups. It seems like summoning big units is too expensive (in terms of opportunity cost) and summoning small units at the cost of spells is good but limited so much that it isn't too powerful. Khorne is going to love chopping down wave after wave of summoned skinks and then using their blood to summon free bloodthirsters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drofnum Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, PJetski said: They're going to be strong but they will have bad matchups. It seems like summoning big units is too expensive (in terms of opportunity cost) and summoning small units at the cost of spells is good but limited so much that it isn't too powerful. Khorne is going to love chopping down wave after wave of summoned skinks and then using their blood to summon free bloodthirsters... Exactly. I also dont think it would be too hard with Deepkin to just zone out their summoning with the high movement. I have a Seraphon army so I get how strong they can be but they definitely have counters now and will in this edition as well, its just a different playstyle you will have to counter. I do agree with @Richelieu as well that they are one of the armies I fear most in the new edition though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daedalus81 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Nice change to paired weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daedalus81 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 No more procs with modifiers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoby Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, daedalus81 said: Nice change to paired weapons. Might just be me, but the image isn't working Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daedalus81 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Weird. Basically a hit roll of a 6 scores 2 hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daedalus81 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Thermalrider cloak - +4 move and fly...daddy like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuroyume Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 20 minutes ago, daedalus81 said: No more procs with modifiers that's huge. My retributors hate it. My Longstrike Raptors love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoby Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 34 minutes ago, daedalus81 said: No more procs with modifiers Again, sorry, but the image isn't working what do you mean by this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amysrevenge Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Enoby said: Again, sorry, but the image isn't working what do you mean by this? Old Knight-Questor ability: Add 1 to the damage inflicted by a Knight-Questor's Warblade if the wound roll for the attack is 6 or more. New Knight-Questor ability: If the unmodified wound roll for an attack made with a Questor Warblade is 6, that attack has a Damage characteristic of 2 instead of 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ageofpaddsmar Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 So are new warscrolls out for everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daedalus81 Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, ageofpaddsmar said: So are new warscrolls out for everything Not yet - these are from the learn to play videos. Relics and endless spell points are in the wild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellfree Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 3 hours ago, Drofnum said: Exactly. I also dont think it would be too hard with Deepkin to just zone out their summoning with the high movement. I have a Seraphon army so I get how strong they can be but they definitely have counters now and will in this edition as well, its just a different playstyle you will have to counter. I do agree with @Richelieu as well that they are one of the armies I fear most in the new edition though. Keep in mind that countering summoning is still a net positive for the summoner in most cases. If you block off their entry point they can just blast you with Slann spells instead of saving up summoning points, while also exerting a lot of control on your positioning. Against a skilled player I'd say you're looking at reducing a +1 to about a +.2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotrek Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Do we know when the updated warscrolls will be released? Tomorrow? On the 30th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GriinWan Posted June 15, 2018 Share Posted June 15, 2018 Warscrolls for starter set units and endless spells are currently available with kits pre-orders on GW web site, "Downloads" section. Units: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Age-Of-Sigmar-Soul-Wars-2018-eng Spells: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Age-Of-Sigmar-Malign-Sorcery-2018-eng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamopower Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 7 hours ago, Bellfree said: Keep in mind that countering summoning is still a net positive for the summoner in most cases. If you block off their entry point they can just blast you with Slann spells instead of saving up summoning points, while also exerting a lot of control on your positioning. Against a skilled player I'd say you're looking at reducing a +1 to about a +.2. Slann can blast you with the one mortal wound arcane bolt and making the battleshock rolls to br taken with two dice... But other points I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratigo Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 21 minutes ago, Jamopower said: Slann can blast you with the one mortal wound arcane bolt and making the battleshock rolls to br taken with two dice... But other points I agree. The slann, again, also teleports units, which is a strong ability already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayple Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 19 minutes ago, stratigo said: The slann, again, also teleports units, which is a strong ability already. Sure, but that's not something they can do right after summoning, nor to protect themselves if someone get close to them due to the 'outside of 9'' rule. Slann are expensive powerful utility wizards. Poke holes in them, and you've nullified a large portion of the opponent's advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamopower Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Slann is just bit over 200 points and gives you amazing utility without casting a single spell all game, (in fact, with new rules, it's probably better if you don't cast anything in most cases). If he dies, it's not end of the world, especially if the opponent has to go into an ankward position to catch him. Especially as his abilities work more or less from anywhere on the board. But should this discussion be in the let's chat Seraphon thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoseman Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 When will update the warscroll builder?? Will it be the same day 30 of the release?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xasz Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Not sure if it was mentioned, but the 84 artifacts were leaked on 4chan yesterday. Some really interesting ones as well. cloak from Shyish that provides the wearer with ethereal another cloak (Ulgu) makes the wearer untargetable in melee, unless he has attacked already bow from Shyish which can be used in the shooting phase, roll 6 dice, for each 6+ target gets a MW (range of 18") aura item that reduces all MW damage on targets in 6" originating from a wizard by D3 a lot of 6+ = MW weapons two weapons that instantly bump a melee weapons rend to -3 over all a whole lot of "fulfill hard to achieve condition, get 1 or D3 MWs" an artifact that gives the wearer a flat 4+ against mortals, one that some -1 to hit against wearer in melee, some MW protection, a lot +1 to hit/wound/damage some flying and movement stuff Also, I have some second thoughts if these will be matched or tournament legal. There is at least one item that changes the "Realmscape Feature Table", ergo you have to play with all the wonky realm rules or nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoby Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 In the preview, I managed to get a very blurry look at the Slaanesh summoning. Baring in mind I may be wrong as it was very difficult to see, but it seemed very cheap (ranging from 6 points to 24 points for the Keeper). The vast majority of things were 12 points, including what looked to be the exalted seeker chariot. It was very difficult to see the full rules for how the summoning works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_unbeliever Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 To all the UK bargain hunters- where are people pre-ordering their new set from / where has the best value inc UK shipping? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5kaven5lave Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Goblin gaming is trusted by me and 20% off but there are others. Element? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnelian Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Use element games to support the existence of this forum: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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