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Age of Sigmar: Second Edition

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4 minutes ago, Infeston said:

But why word it different in an official document (german version)? Should we german players now play the game different than the rest of the world? ?

I would be interested how the rule is interpreted in other documents of other languages. Are there any people with other native languages who can maybe look thorugh their version and say how it is written down there?

The wording in German is written totally clear, you roll at the beginning of the game, if a tie, the first dropper decides!

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2 minutes ago, RuneBrush said:

I'd say the German and English actually say the same thing.  It's the other sources that are disagreeing currently.

Jeah you are right, sorry.  The german version is only a little bit more precise, because it says "if you roll a tie in the first battleround".

I really hope that it is true that there is a rolloff in the first battleround and they don't change it back to the old way if they have to clear things up.

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Just now, Infeston said:

Jeah you are right, sorry.  The german version is only a little bit more precise, because it says "if you roll a tie in the first battleround".

:)  Agreed - I always find it quite amusing that the German version often is more precise about rules!

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6 minutes ago, RuneBrush said:

:)  Agreed - I always find it quite amusing that the German version often is more precise about rules!

Maybe it is a cultural thing. I think we germans are very nitpicky if it comes down to rules and laws. ?  If you have ever been in a political or scientific commitee in germany (although I would guess this might also  be the same for political or scientific commitees outside of germany), there are so  often many discussions about how a phrase is worded or which words are used, that is often ridiculous.

There are so many discussions about words in such commitees. ? 

But maybe it has also to do with the structure of the language itself. But I don't know. ? 

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13 minutes ago, RuneBrush said:

I've a feeling there's a load of crossed wires currently.  Just been watching this unfold on Twitter over lunch and Martin from the community team is saying it's as the previous edition because that's what was said on Twitch with Ben Johnson, so I think it's going to be a case of "watch this space".

My own interpretation is very much what a lot of the posts above have said - you always roll but in the case of a tie the first dropper wins.  From a grammer/English point of view that makes sense.  However the supporting video and conversations on Twitch say the old way.  Ho hum, am sure it'll be clarified soon enough!

Whilst I don't have the issue to hand doesn't the battle report in the latest White Dwarf have them rolling off at the start of the first battle round? I'll check this tonight.

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Waaaaait a second. 1 every 4 units may be an ally unit. 

So allies are no more tied to the points cost?

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1 minute ago, Furuzzolo said:

Waaaaait a second. 1 every 4 units may be an ally unit. 

So allies are no more tied to the points cost?

Open Play doesn't have points 

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7 minutes ago, Infeston said:

Jeah you are right, sorry.  The german version is only a little bit more precise, because it says "if you roll a tie in the first battleround".

I really hope that it is true that there is a rolloff in the first battleround and they don't change it back to the old way if they have to clear things up.

The English rules also say to roll off Every battle round. Just who breaks ties is different if it’s the first round.

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7 minutes ago, Furuzzolo said:

Waaaaait a second. 1 every 4 units may be an ally unit. 

So allies are no more tied to the points cost?

I'm guessing this is so open and narrative play can officially have allies. I wouldn't be surprised if the matched play points add something else.

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If I recall, the policy around here was not to post leaked images of books, so I won't post it, but the new Nighthaunt points and death allies has been leaked. Starting with the allies thing, Nighthaunt is now and ally to for all the Legions(and still Soulblight) along side Flesh Eater Courts. So that's probably the true meaning of GW saying you can play your new Nighthaunt stuff in with you Legions of Nagash stuff instead of the new stuff working with in the legions.

On to points. Chainrasp horde is 80 points and generic battleline(but probably only good for GA death and not Legions as noted above). Black Coach is up to 280 and a Behemoth now. New warscroll is probably a given. Not going to list all the points, but nothing else changed for points. Hexwraith and Spririthost are still conditional battleline along side the new grimghast reapers. The odd(technically even, which is odd for AoS) unit counts of four in the starter are the real matched play sizes, so 4 grimghast reapers and 4 myrmourn banshees. Lots of batallions, but no too expensive. Span from 80-150 points. 3 Endless spells costing 40. 40, and 60.

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so the units sizes for nighthaunt are matched play and those for stormcast are all uneven? wtf is this ******

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2 minutes ago, bsharitt said:

If I recall, the policy around here was not to post leaked images of books, so I won't post it, but the new Nighthaunt points and death allies has been leaked. Starting with the allies thing, Nighthaunt is now and ally to for all the Legions(and still Soulblight) along side Flesh Eater Courts. So that's probably the true meaning of GW saying you can play your new Nighthaunt stuff in with you Legions of Nagash stuff instead of the new stuff working with in the legions.

On to points. Chainrasp horde is 80 points and generic battleline(but probably only good for GA death and not Legions as noted above). Black Coach is up to 280 and a Behemoth now. New warscroll is probably a given. Not going to list all the points, but nothing else changed for points. Hexwraith and Spririthost are still conditional battleline along side the new grimghast reapers. The odd(technically even, which is odd for AoS) unit counts of four in the starter are the real matched play sizes, so 4 grimghast reapers and 4 myrmourn banshees. Lots of batallions, but no too expensive. Span from 80-150 points. 3 Endless spells costing 40. 40, and 60.

That's odd as the book in the starter set shows the chainrasp as being 10 for 100 points

 

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LON was leaked, too. All their battalions cost a lot more.

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I have another question about this rule:

"In order to use any command ability you must spend 1 command point. You start the battle with 1 command point for each warscroll battalion you have in your army. In addition, you receive 1 command point at the start of each of your hero phases. You can use the same command ability several times in the same phase as long as you have enough command points to do so"

Does "each of your hero phases" mean "you" as one single player or you as both players? Does the book talk to me and my enemy or only to me? ? 

For me it reads that I get a command point in my hero phase and a command point in the enemy hero phase. Is this right? Maybe I am also gettings things wrong because english is not my first language. Or does it mean I only get a command point in my own hero phase? Maybe it was already cleared up, but I really have to ask. Can somebody answer me this?

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2 minutes ago, Jamister1 said:

That's odd as the book in the starter set shows the chainrasp as being 10 for 100 points

 

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80/280 in the image I saw, which I think is the new GHB. It wouldn't be the first time GW has bad points/warscrolls in the starter set. I think they had the same issue with Dark Imperium and some units have the wrong power levels.

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Where are these leaks? anything on stormcast? If all LoN are matched play units and all Stormcast are not I'd so pissed

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1 minute ago, Infeston said:

I have another question about this rule:

"In order to use any command ability you must spend 1 command point. You start the battle with 1 command point for each warscroll battalion you have in your army. In addition, you receive 1 command point at the start of each of your hero phases. You can use the same command ability several times in the same phase as long as you have enough command points to do so"

Does "each of your hero phases" mean "you" as one single player or you as both players? Does the book talk to me and my enemy or only to me? ?  

For me it reads that I get a command point in my hero phase and a command point in the enemy hero phase. Is this right? Maybe I am also gettings things wrong because english is not my first language. Or does it mean I only get a command point in my own hero phase?

Your hero phase is your individual hero phase. There are rules that go off in every hero phase, and those are worded as "any hero phase".

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4 minutes ago, PJetski said:

LON was leaked, too. All their battalions cost a lot more.

Except for first cohort (who oddly enough have an aster-ix indicating a points change... Even though it's the same number). 

The rest was went up between 30 to 60 points. Even the ones that I hardly considered good (like nightfall pack/deathmarch). 

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2 minutes ago, Infeston said:

I have another question about this rule:

"In order to use any command ability you must spend 1 command point. You start the battle with 1 command point for each warscroll battalion you have in your army. In addition, you receive 1 command point at the start of each of your hero phases. You can use the same command ability several times in the same phase as long as you have enough command points to do so"

Does "each of your hero phases" mean "you" as one single player or you as both players? Does the book talk to me and my enemy or only to me? ? 

For me it reads that I get a command point in my hero phase and a command point in the enemy hero phase. Is this right? Maybe I am also gettings things wrong because english is not my first language. Or does it mean I only get a command point in my own hero phase? Maybe it was already cleared up, but I really have to ask. Can somebody answer me this?

It refers to you as the player rather than you and your opponent.  So over the course of a 5 round game, you'll receive just 5 command points :)

ps I'm sure your English is better than my German!

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1 minute ago, nukes4life said:

Where are these leaks? anything on stormcast? If all LoN are matched play units and all Stormcast are not I'd so pissed

Not sure where the poster looks, but you might find something on the AoS subreddit ?

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11 minutes ago, bsharitt said:

Starting with the allies thing, Nighthaunt is now and ally to for all the Legions(and still Soulblight) along side Flesh Eater Courts. So that's probably the true meaning of GW saying you can play your new Nighthaunt stuff in with you Legions of Nagash stuff instead of the new stuff working with in the legions.

Having seen what looks like your info ... Yeah... any units in the old LoN battletome are still available to a Legions of Nagash Army.

The new stuff is all in the Nighthaunt Faction list... (with the Behemoth version of the Black Coach... and the non-Behemoth version is still in LoN)... and available via Allies.

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1 minute ago, RuneBrush said:

It refers to you as the player rather than you and your opponent.  So over the course of a 5 round game, you'll receive just 5 command points :)

ps I'm sure your English is better than my German!

Ok thanks. ? 

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I also really would have hoped that you don't get any extra artifact anymore, because of battalions. I had hoped that maybe you could purchase artifacts for your heroes with command points. But sadly I don't think it seems this way. 

I hope that there might be other ways to artifacts for me  to get more artifacts for my heroes instead of choosing many battalions.

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