Warhammer Legends

[Kyriakin]

I still don't see why the plastic Tomb Kings, the Ushabti and a couple of finecast characters couldn't have just made the trip across to AoS as a small legacy faction (i.e. much like Brayherd, Darkling Covens, Dispossessed, etc.). The faction could have easily existed on the periphery of GA: Death - much like FEC do.

It wouldn't have been the smallest faction nor worst model-wise, and it would have prevented this whole situation. Furthermore, it would have added variety and "filler" to a Grand Alliance that urgently needs both, and they could have kept selling the fairly popular and recent sphinx and snake kits.

I am sure the same could be said for the Brets, but I am not aware of their plastic/resin situation.

Edited May 7, 2018 by Kyriakin

[Envyus]

I like this idea and am happy there are doing something with the older stuff. 

I think a really cool idea would be to release a Warhammer Legends book. With Spell Lores, basic Faction abilities and point values for the Legends factions.

[AthlorianStoners]

13 minutes ago, xking said:

What they should have done, is released a Darkling Covens battletome and couple new hero models.   I mostly think warhammer legends is a waste of time and effort when they should be updating a lot of these factions.

 

There is no reason for the Darkling Covens, Dispossessed, Wanderers, Swifthawk Agents, Gutbusters, Greenskinz and Slaves to Darkness, etc.  To not have a battletome when the Bonesplitterz and Flesh-Eater Courts do.  

But this hasn’t taken up production time at all. It’s just an easy to produce filler period for them that’s adding plus content for people with large Dark Elf collections. 

A lot of those factions probably will get a Battletome, but obviously haven’t yet. I don’t know how GW could have done better with their AoS drops this year, with almost 1 Battletome a month, and more rumoured to come. 

[Verengard]

34 minutes ago, AthlorianStoners said:

But this hasn’t taken up production time at all. It’s just an easy to produce filler period for them that’s adding plus content for people with large Dark Elf collections. 

A lot of those factions probably will get a Battletome, but obviously haven’t yet. I don’t know how GW could have done better with their AoS drops this year, with almost 1 Battletome a month, and more rumoured to come. 

 This IS a waste of time, I'd rather wait for full Warhammer Legends book with full compendiums, points, army build rules than a single PDF which has no use. Not to mention DE did not need that and they could spend the time on TK / Bret Compendiums to add allegiance & revise points.

[RuneBrush]

+++MOD HAT TIME+++

Can we please keep this to discussion Warhammer Legends and not GW's production times and available hours - which none of us know.

[Iradekhorne]

I think warhammer legends is a way to the old players like me, and others, can use his old miniatures.

I have Egrimm van hosrtmann with Bauldros (i use it as galarauch, i bougth it for pieces times ago, but if i can use it as a paladin in chaos dragon...), archaon on foot and on horse, chaos cannon, 80 chaos warriors, 160 chaos marauders (splited in the four chaos gods), chaos marauders on horse with slaanesh mark, Wulfrik, harry the hammer....

If i can use my models in a legacy games with friends that is awesome for me. 

I have a rotbringer, tzeentch arcanites and bloodbound armies, but the chaos canon, egrimm, etc. Theese models can't be played with theese armies and i want use them...

Great move GW my group are so excited after see the dark elves warscrolls!!

[syph0n]

Can anyone clarify something for me? 

I had just started to shift my army towards a mixed order list, using bolt throwers, sorceress on drakespawn etc, basically some of the 'Exiles' units. These still have points values, so until they disappear (eg GHB18 or whatever) they're still usable in matched play? 

I think there seems to be some confusion on places like Facebook. Saw one post, said with great authority, that the only Dark Elves left were Deepkin and DoK, which is not my reading of Legends at all. 

[Kyriakin]

11 minutes ago, syph0n said:

Can anyone clarify something for me? 

I had just started to shift my army towards a mixed order list, using bolt throwers, sorceress on drakespawn etc, basically some of the 'Exiles' units. These still have points values, so until they disappear (eg GHB18 or whatever) they're still usable in matched play? 

I think there seems to be some confusion on places like Facebook. Saw one post, said with great authority, that the only Dark Elves left were Deepkin and DoK, which is not my reading of Legends at all. 

They are gone from the updated app.

All searches for the SoD, bolt throwers, etc. draw a blank.

I would not recommend building GA armies with comoendium scrolls.

[RuneBrush]

28 minutes ago, syph0n said:

Can anyone clarify something for me? 

I had just started to shift my army towards a mixed order list, using bolt throwers, sorceress on drakespawn etc, basically some of the 'Exiles' units. These still have points values, so until they disappear (eg GHB18 or whatever) they're still usable in matched play? 

I think there seems to be some confusion on places like Facebook. Saw one post, said with great authority, that the only Dark Elves left were Deepkin and DoK, which is not my reading of Legends at all. 

The Dark Elf Compendium warscroll PDF has been removed from the website, so I'd say that to all intent and purposes, they're no longer valid for matched play as the Pitched Battle Profiles (aka points) were contained within that document.  Some TO's may be happy with you using them if you still have the PDF but you'd need to check it out.

[syph0n]

Damn. Just started converting some Darkshards to have enough battleline for an Order army. Gutted. I had a lovely 2k list that used everything I had from my past life. 

Back to straight Order Serpentis then...

Edited May 7, 2018 by syph0n

[Verengard]

Compendium got removed, ok that's one thing. But there was NO official information that the old scrolls are removed from matched, also in the web builder APP they are still avaiable.

The new scrolls have different unit names so theoreticaly until GW states otherwise you can still use them as the new ones are something different not same named, updated veersions of old ones.

Also as interesting sidenote from GW site :

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The rules presented here are designed to be definitive, and will only be updated when we change the core mechanics of Warhammer Age of Sigmar. This means that Legends units are not designed for matched play (as they won’t, for example, have yearly points updates).

They won't have yearly points updated - seems that GW left a gap there, they could just write - "they will not have points at all".

Edited May 7, 2018 by Verengard

[Greyshadow]

19 hours ago, Infernalslayer said:

I don't mind if they make current OOP compendium models illegal in tournaments and can understand the reasons behind that. But as mentioned in other posts i need points to have a semblance of balance in the casual games that i am going to use those miniatures.

If how awesome our community has been to date is anything to go by, there will be fan made points to allow you to balance Legends armies. Hell, that was the case for all factions not so long ago!

[EMMachine]

1 hour ago, syph0n said:

Damn. Just started converting some Darkshards to have enough battleline for an Order army. Gutted. I had a lovely 2k list that used everything I had from my past life. 

Back to straight Order Serpentis then...

Darkshards are an Order Battleline and part of Darkling Covens. After Darkling Covens is part of AoS not legends the official warscrolls are playable. Or what do you mean?

Edited May 7, 2018 by EMMachine

[syph0n]

13 minutes ago, EMMachine said:

Darkshards are Battleline because they are part of Darkling Covens. After Darkling Covens is part of AoS not legends the official warscrolls are playable. Or what do you mean?

I have the basis of an Order Serpentis army, about 1250 points, but obviously Drakespawn Knights aren't GA Order battleline. I don't have enough Order Serpentis units for 2k, but if I converted 10 models to Darkshards, I would have enough to make a GA Order army that used both all of my Order Serpentis units, but also my older models like the Sorceress on Drakespawn and the Bolt Throwers to make a 2k force. I just have loads of old Dark Elves sat primed and unloved that I had a brain wave about using. 

Edited May 7, 2018 by syph0n

[EMMachine]

13 minutes ago, syph0n said:

I have the basis of an Order Serpentis army, about 1250 points, but obviously Drakespawn Knights aren't GA Order battleline. I don't have enough Order Serpentis units for 2k, but if I converted 10 models to Darkshards, I would have enough to make a GA Order army that used both all of my Order Serpentis units, but also my older models like the Sorceress on Drakespawn and the Bolt Throwers to make a 2k force. I just have loads of old Dark Elves sat primed and unloved that I had a brain wave about using. 

So the problem aren't the Darkshards, more the Sorceress on Drakespawn and the Bolt Throwers that are only in the Legacy List and in this case not usable anymore for Grand Alliance (not having the Order Keyword) and Matched Play (not having a Pitched Battle Profile).

[syph0n]

14 minutes ago, EMMachine said:

So the problem aren't the Darkshards, more the Sorceress on Drakespawn and the Bolt Throwers that are only in the Legacy List and in this case not usable anymore for Grand Alliance (not having the Order Keyword) and Matched Play (not having a Pitched Battle Profile).

Exactly. I'm just frustrated that I can't use the models in a matched point game, and I've just spent some time and money making up darkshards to make a list my models would be usable in. 

[AGPO]

I think many people often mistake their group/local community as being representative of the community as a whole. There are a lot of players playing narrative and open play. They may well be more likely to play at private clubs or at home than frequent FLGSs for pick up games, but just because you don't see them doesn't mean they're not out there.

Likewise there are plenty of players using the AOS rules to play in the WTW, either because they prefer background or they have longstanding collections they want to keep playing with but prefer AOS rules to 8e.

A lot of the complaints about the compendiums came from the tongue in cheek aspects of the rules. From this release it seems Legends addresses that complaint very effectively. 

As someone who played a 'squatted' army which didn't receive support for four editions (chaos dwarfs) as long as rules exist for your minis you can play with them, and there will always be fans creating excellent homebrew for you to try out. The Heresy, Specialist Games and Chaos Dwarf communities have shown that the best way to get GW to provide you with more support is to engage constructively, create inspiring content and build excitement. With Warhammer Legends, 8e and the 9th Age you now have more options than ever to play with your collection, before you even start to look at minis migrating to new factions. That's more than any of those communities started with.

 

[syph0n]

Yep that's very true. Equally, how many people play happily with their friends just using house rules or adjustments? It's the most important rule after all. 

Anyway, pragmatically, I will still plough ahead with my plan. 1) I'll use them for Legends games. And I bet the rest of the Dark Elves will join them eventually. 2) I'll use the High Elf rules in a GA army for the Bolt Throwers and find something else instead of the Sorceress. 

I think I just hoped that the removal would happen when more than just the Dark Elf rules were available. 

[VBS]

This is exactly what I wanted, full new warscrolls for the whole old armies! Some of the DE units look really good, Malus & Shadowblade look quite beast!

Looking forward to the same treatment for the armies I collect  Will be interesting to see if all WHFB get the treatment though, and what will schedule be... 

As for lack of points, meh, not that big deal. I'm sure someone will figure out more or less correct points (should be easy just by comparing with similar "official stuff") that could be used for a certain sense of "balance", if required. Would be useful coz even if I like Open/Narrative and loath the direction Match Play is going, it is also nice to have a (optional) minimal frame to set up a game in a practical/easy way! 

[Enochi]

10 hours ago, RuneBrush said:

The Dark Elf Compendium warscroll PDF has been removed from the website, so I'd say that to all intent and purposes, they're no longer valid for matched play as the Pitched Battle Profiles (aka points) were contained within that document.  Some TO's may be happy with you using them if you still have the PDF but you'd need to check it out.

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Compendiums/warhammer-aos-dark-elves-en.pdf

I would call you a liar sir. I checked and updated Azyr and the Dark elves are still on there. They are still on the website in the link provided above and are still on the Warhammer Community Warscroll Builder. 

[Envyus]

9 hours ago, Verengard said:

Compendium got removed, ok that's one thing. But there was NO official information that the old scrolls are removed from matched, also in the web builder APP they are still avaiable.

The new scrolls have different unit names so theoreticaly until GW states otherwise you can still use them as the new ones are something different not same named, updated veersions of old ones.

Also as interesting sidenote from GW site :

They won't have yearly points updated - seems that GW left a gap there, they could just write - "they will not have points at all".

As mentioned we may get a Warhammer Legends book that will have stuff like point values and such. 

[Ollie Grimwood]

They are still on Azyr, their warscrolls aren’t downloadable on the App you should still be able to access them if you had them already (which happens elsewhere the old Cauldron of Blood still shows up but can’t be downloaded for DoK), I’d check them though because they may well be different to the current Legends ones. 

[Deepkin]

I do wonder if they will perhaps support Legends with a Horus Heresy style system, where its the same rules but a different setting with its own armies, background, etc.

GW should just admit Fantasy and Age of Sigmar can coexist and support both

[Deepkin]

34 minutes ago, xking said:

It is not beneficial for GW to try and support old Fantasy and AoS at the same time and forge world seems to be cutting back on Horus Heresy.    Legends is a "made to order, one week thing".  They not bringing back a dead game.

 

 

Thats just like, your opinion man.

[Deepkin]

Yeah man, thats why theyre totally not making large amounts of money from hugely popular Warhammer Fantasy licenses, like Total War or Vermintide. Nor are they licensing the 4th edition of a popular Warhammer Fantasy RPG alongside an Age of Sigmar rpg.

And no way did they just release rules and models for an explicitly Warhammer Fantasy setting. Im sure GW benefits in no way from Warhammer Fantasy as an IP and all the above never happened and its all Age of Sigmar all the time forever and ever.

 

Oh, but wait.