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Really happy with the story and outcome of the campaign, it gives so much potential for players to reinvent their favourite characters from the old world and for new factions to spawn out of thsoe freed in the final jailbreak.

 

Personally I'll be running with the chained God Ulric having leapt forth from his cage in the jailbreak to lead my more feral Stormcast, having never played fantasy alot of people kept referencing him in regards to my conversions and now this gives me a fantastic opportunity to learn about and reinvent an old world character

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I think the narrative has been a bit meh overall, however i dont think thats a bad thing. Ive played some really fun games over the last 6 weeks, and for me thats the most important thing for any GW campaign!

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4 hours ago, Melcavuk said:

Personally I'll be running with the chained God Ulric having leapt forth from his cage in the jailbreak to lead my more feral Stormcast, having never played fantasy alot of people kept referencing him in regards to my conversions and now this gives me a fantastic opportunity to learn about and reinvent an old world character

Wasn't Ulric outright destroyed saving Sigmar during the End Times?

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A fair few "destroyed" or "dead" characters found ways of surviving, his destruction or ultimate death makes a decent reason for being imprisoned in the underworld (or spending centuries coalescing his power once more having been shattered). With the world itself literally exploding and morathi still managing to clamber back from the gullet of slaanesh there are many methods for gods or survivors fighting their way back.

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Anyway campaign is over but I am glad someone on facebook bought up that a few weeks was pretty much one GA vs all the rest. Made choices far too clear, week 2 was the best IMO. 

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44 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said:

Wasn't Ulric outright destroyed saving Sigmar during the End Times?

How does this get turned into myth, the books were only 3 years ago! Teclis stole Ulrics essence to ressurect Tyrion as the Incarnate of Hysh. His last vestiges inhabited the Grand Theogonist for about five minutes before Archaon killed him!

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26 minutes ago, Captain Marius said:

How does this get turned into myth, the books were only 3 years ago! Teclis stole Ulrics essence to ressurect Tyrion as the Incarnate of Hysh. His last vestiges inhabited the Grand Theogonist for about five minutes before Archaon killed him!

Actually, Ulric's last vestiges inhabited the body of the then-supreme patriarch of the colleges of magic (by default), Gregor Martak. Before Martak perished at Middenheim, he passed the spirit of Ulric to Wendel Volker, who survived to eventually fight alongside the Incarnates against Archaon in the final battle. Volker perished saving Sigmar, and the final vestiges of Ulric supposedly perished with him.

But, really, what is death to a god? 

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The campaign itself didn't mean much to me, but short stories every few days since the start of the year has been brilliant. Even having them in WD has been great, I hope they keep it up.

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it really undermines the concept of death, and nagash, if characters that were long dead and blown up can come back... at this point.

I understand at the start of AoS needing to keep a few. But at this point it seems lazy. I really hope they can move on from what was (which was the point of AoS) and introduce new characters.

 

on a side note its entirely possible that Alcadizaar could be re born

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anybody else think that this isnt a way tor them to bring back old fantasy characters and instead is a way of unleashing some rogue death characters that nagash had kept locked away for rebelling, into the setting? from here there are only so many groups of death aligned factions to go with, as nighthaunt is on the horizon. so what after that? could we see katophranes return to mortal form as their souls are let wild to seek their homeland once more?

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1 hour ago, Mandzak-Miniatures said:

it really undermines the concept of death, and nagash, if characters that were long dead and blown up can come back... at this point.

I understand at the start of AoS needing to keep a few. But at this point it seems lazy. I really hope they can move on from what was (which was the point of AoS) and introduce new characters.

 

on a side note its entirely possible that Alcadizaar could be re born

I don't know. Bringing back Vlad as a Stormcast as 'reward' for his efforts in the end times only for him to forget more and more about Isabella each time he is reforged would be pretty awesome.

The black library books are already doing a good job of bringing in new characters. I particularly like the way Josh Reynolds is building an ever expanding cast of recurring characters across his novels. I would love to see some of these get some rules in future battletomes or supplements but I think there is room for GW to have a bit of fun with some old characters.

As for the point of AoS,  I always thought the world of Warhammer was too limiting. Every story seemed to have an invasion by Chaos or the vampire counts or Skaven leading to the seige of a major city which was miraculously rescued at the last minute. There were  also several factions that had very little in fiction reason for fighting each other.

The writers even added the world root in 8th edition to give the Wood Elves an excuse for fighting around the world.

Aos with its realmgates neatly solves that problem. It provides unexplored spaces from which new factions can appear, (Idoneth Deepkin!!!) and with all factions essentially on the offensive it provides limitless possiblities for storytelling. I think that  was the best reason they had for destroying the old world. The characters were never a problem so why not bring some of them back?

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1 hour ago, Chikout said:

I think that  was the best reason they had for destroying the old world. The characters were never a problem so why not bring some of them back?

Pretty sure the reason they destroyed the Old World was for an excuse to add Not!SpaceMarines when they'd never thematically fit it. 

Honestly, with certain exceptions, despite my love of the Old World I'm not a fan of dragging too many characters back kicking and screaming. If every Tom, ****** & Harry can return then it really stops feeling like it was the End Times, that the world was truly destroyed, and more "if you were important enough you were fine in the long run, it just sucks for those nameless billions who never got a name tag."

I would much rather they try and make Age of Sigmar it's own thing, focusing on a cast of (largely) new but important characters to further stop living in WHFB's shadow. In my opinion it's better than finding ways to shoehorn them in like geriatrics, gods being the exception I suppose.

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Could be a way to bring tomb kings back as a group of dead/undead who nagash had locked away. Use some parts of the range, the more modern ones. 

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I like the prospect of old characters returning! I just hope we don’t see them return as Stormcast personally, as it would be...extremely pointless to do so

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2 hours ago, Clan's Cynic said:

Pretty sure the reason they destroyed the Old World was for an excuse to add Not!SpaceMarines when they'd never thematically fit it. 

Honestly, with certain exceptions, despite my love of the Old World I'm not a fan of dragging too many characters back kicking and screaming. If every Tom, ****** & Harry can return then it really stops feeling like it was the End Times, that the world was truly destroyed, and more "if you were important enough you were fine in the long run, it just sucks for those nameless billions who never got a name tag."

I would much rather they try and make Age of Sigmar it's own thing, focusing on a cast of (largely) new but important characters to further stop living in WHFB's shadow. In my opinion it's better than finding ways to shoehorn them in like geriatrics, gods being the exception I suppose.

I agree with you, however the hypocrite within me really wants to see Skarsnik return and start claiming Duardin beards again.

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The return of Grimgor to lead the next destruction themed campaign “headbut” would make me a very happy chap.

He could be the ironjawz saviour n Jesus can you imagine how angry that gezza would be after being in Nagash’s prison, wouldn’t want to be his cell mate!! 

 

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On 29/03/2018 at 11:57 PM, JReynolds said:

Actually, Ulric's last vestiges inhabited the body of the then-supreme patriarch of the colleges of magic (by default), Gregor Martak. Before Martak perished at Middenheim, he passed the spirit of Ulric to Wendel Volker, who survived to eventually fight alongside the Incarnates against Archaon in the final battle. Volker perished saving Sigmar, and the final vestiges of Ulric supposedly perished with him.

But, really, what is death to a god? 

Happy to be corrected! I got my Grand Theogonists and my Supreme Patriarchs mixed up! I thoroughly enjoyed the End Times novels ?

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On 3/29/2018 at 2:25 PM, Clan's Cynic said:

Wasn't Ulric outright destroyed saving Sigmar during the End Times?

No that was Teclis's fault he snuffed out his flame to revive Tyrion, thus dooming him and Middenhiem.

But the last vestiges of him were snuffed out helping Sigmar. But he was already dead by that point.

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On 29/3/2018 at 6:57 PM, JReynolds said:

Actually, Ulric's last vestiges inhabited the body of the then-supreme patriarch of the colleges of magic (by default), Gregor Martak. Before Martak perished at Middenheim, he passed the spirit of Ulric to Wendel Volker, who survived to eventually fight alongside the Incarnates against Archaon in the final battle. Volker perished saving Sigmar, and the final vestiges of Ulric supposedly perished with him.

But, really, what is death to a god? 

Well, that part of the fluff was not in the "cannon book", namely ET: Archaon, only in Lord of the End Times.  I guess they could make use of it if they wanted to bring Ulric back (which would be cool). But then, it wouldn't make much of a difference if Ulric died after Martak's (cannon) or Volker's (BL) death. We have seen this trend with the elven gods: they supposedly died when each of their avatars got killed (Mathlann = Aislinn; Khaine = Tyrion; Kurnous = Orion) or were just spend when their avatars nearly died (Alarielle = Isha; Malekith = Asuryan). They are now brought back as maybe non-dead gods with DoK and Idoneth and small retcons to how they died. So if Ulric came back, I am sure it would be something like that: did he die? 

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7 hours ago, Turgol said:

Well, that part of the fluff was not in the "cannon book", namely ET: Archaon, only in Lord of the End Times.  I guess they could make use of it if they wanted to bring Ulric back (which would be cool). But then, it wouldn't make much of a difference if Ulric died after Martak's (cannon) or Volker's (BL) death. We have seen this trend with the elven gods: they supposedly died when each of their avatars got killed (Mathlann = Aislinn; Khaine = Tyrion; Kurnous = Orion) or were just spend when their avatars nearly died (Alarielle = Isha; Malekith = Asuryan). They are now brought back as maybe non-dead gods with DoK and Idoneth and small retcons to how they died. So if Ulric came back, I am sure it would be something like that: did he die? 

Pretty much, yeah. I mean, would Ulric even remember the specifics? Would he be the original Ulric, or just something similar - a god of harsh winters, wolves and war, with no memory of Middenheim. No need to explain anything, that way.  

He'd be a small god, at first, a fragment of memory, growing in the wild north of Azyr, until he achieves apotheosis...feeding on the warlike nature and simmering resentments of Azyr's ancient tribes...and then, suddenly, Sigmar has to deal with a rival on his doorstep.

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I might have to write that down.

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(Personal fluff below)

My current fluff in progress for Ulric is that what remained of him got caged in a aged and decrepid old man in Nagashes prisons with wards carved into its very bones, essentially the cage of a mortal shell to hold the last vestiges of a god. Through centuries of repeated torture and abuse nagash tried repeatidly to break his will though for what purposes nobody will ever truly know, the petulant and defiant nature of the caged god kept him alive but the abuse has taken a tolld on his psyche and temperament. With the prison break his chains broke but the vessel he was in lacked the strength to escape, when a stormcast came to rescue him thinking him just a broken old man the God recognised the vessel as something that could potentially hold him. So he's current existing blended with the soul of a Stormcast lord celestant to regain strength and get the lay of the land, but only time will tell what happens when that soul goes through Sigmars forge in its comprimised state.

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6 hours ago, JReynolds said:

Pretty much, yeah. I mean, would Ulric even remember the specifics? Would he be the original Ulric, or just something similar - a god of harsh winters, wolves and war, with no memory of Middenheim. No need to explain anything, that way.  

He'd be a small god, at first, a fragment of memory, growing in the wild north of Azyr, until he achieves apotheosis...feeding on the warlike nature and simmering resentments of Azyr's ancient tribes...and then, suddenly, Sigmar has to deal with a rival on his doorstep.

...

I might have to write that down.

Well, that does sound awesome. 

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On 29/03/2018 at 10:13 PM, Captain Marius said:

How does this get turned into myth, the books were only 3 years ago! Teclis stole Ulrics essence to ressurect Tyrion as the Incarnate of Hysh. His last vestiges inhabited the Grand Theogonist for about five minutes before Archaon killed him!

Most people can't remember the colour of the socks they put on this morning, let alone a set of books released 3 years ago xD

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On 30.3.2018 at 12:49 AM, Mandzak-Miniatures said:

it really undermines the concept of death, and nagash, if characters that were long dead and blown up can come back... at this point.

I understand at the start of AoS needing to keep a few. But at this point it seems lazy. I really hope they can move on from what was (which was the point of AoS) and introduce new characters.

 

on a side note its entirely possible that Alcadizaar could be re born

 

I`m totally with you there. At first I thought it was a bit sad to kill off so many of the old characters, but meanwhile I`d prefer to have something new and fresh. Let the dead ones be buried and make way for new glory.

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