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Malign Portents

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10 minutes ago, Sete said:

It seems Knights Excelsior are the Black Templars of AoS. I approve. 

yup

 

They pretty much are according to the campaign books they believe those that are not wrought from ayzr can easily be tainted. City of secrets goes into this they have done purges several times.

 

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Just now, shinros said:

 

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It's not a statue it's a knight excelsior fits the description along with the lightning description along with the warhammer.

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I don't know of people read city of secrets but they do this kind of stuff all the time. In the Novel the Lord Veritant is called the white reaper. The whole point of the story is that he is clearly tainted by chaos aka nurgle. The knights excelsior are not "nice" people.

 

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I know the Knights Excelsior and their Shennanigans. But my argument stands. That guy is a Freeguild Veteran who knows the Free Cities. He would not confuse a Stormcast with a Statue. Might be that it is just flowery language at work, but right now, that this actually means a statue of a Stormcast is just as likely.

 

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Just now, Rogue Explorator said:
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I know the Knights Excelsior and their Shennanigans. But my argument stands. That guy is a Freeguild Veteran who knows the Free Cities. He would not confuse a Stormcast with a Statue. Might be that it is just flowery language at work, but right now, that this actually means a statue of a Stormcast is just as likely.

 

You are reading too much into it. It's flowery language the malign portents is bringing some "edge" to AOS.

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5 minutes ago, Rogue Explorator said:

We will see. It would hardly be without precedent.

Also not everyone has seen a stormcast up close and knights excelsior don't mingle with people at all. They just sit in their storm keeps all day until they need to purge people.

 

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Statue is clearly not to be taken literally, any more than in the many cases when space marines in 40k are called statues. It's a metaphor, perhaps the most obvious one for describing a towering, unemotional human-shaped warrior. He's not making a mistake. You could meet stormcast every day and still use a statue metaphor to describe them when they loom over you.

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2 minutes ago, sandlemad said:

Statue is clearly not to be taken literally, any more than in the many cases when space marines in 40k are called statues. It's a metaphor, perhaps the most obvious one for describing a towering, unemotional human-shaped warrior. He's not making a mistake. You could meet stormcast every day and still use a statue metaphor to describe them when they loom over you.

Yeah I think thats it in my eyes.  Even freeguild are awed by Stormcast so in the books. I think this is not necessarily going to imply change in the game but is part of the fleshing out of areas of background that have not been told yet. Previously we here of conquest and glories of battle, now we move into the horror of life in the mortal realms seen from the other side...

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The Mortal Realms are big places. It's possible he's never seen one up close. The Realmgate Wars were over a hundred years ago now... Also, he was suffering the effects of a big bang at the moment he saw him.

Also: The Stormcast were made to LOOK like the statues of heroes that litter the Mortal Realms, so the people they come to save think they are the good guys (it's all marketing 
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15 minutes ago, sandlemad said:

Statue is clearly not to be taken literally, any more than in the many cases when space marines in 40k are called statues. It's a metaphor, perhaps the most obvious one for describing a towering, unemotional human-shaped warrior. He's not making a mistake. You could meet stormcast every day and still use a statue metaphor to describe them when they loom over you.

It is not written as a similie though, the figure is not described as statue like, but outright called one. it is most likely intentionally ambiguos. Absolutely nothing "clearly to be taken" about it either way.

 

Look, everyone, I am not saying this indicates any kind of developement or that it is clearly what I think it is. However, there is no basis to telling me I am clearly and objectively wrong in my reading either.

 

There is also the subject matter at hand to keep in mind here, these are Malign Portents stories, all of which had some sort of unusual (even for AoS)  magical turn of events to serve as Portent. If this is just about a Knight Excelsior purging the diseased, then there is actually nothing out of the ordinary (by AoS standarts) in this story. Then this is not a Portent, but just a day out of life in the Age of Sigmar story. That is well possible, but it would be a thematic deviation from the other MP content so far.

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It's not a simile, you're right, it's a metaphor. Love is outright called a battlefield in the song but there's no ambiguity there. If I hear about a large armoured figure with a hammer, surrounded by lightning described as a statue... I'd really struggle to call that fanciful or intentionally ambiguous, it's being referred to as a statue because that's stronger, more vivid and compact than saying it's 'like a statue' . I'll happily retract if it does turn out to be a lightning-shrouded hammer wielding necromantic statue-construct of Nagash but that's not what I see this story as hinting at.

The key unusual element to my mind is that here we have a stormcast in an explicitly adversarial role. Not as a liberator or a shining saviour or as a diplomat to the other free peoples but as a scary faceless threat. The retired veteran isn't a chaos cultist or even a Nagash-worshipper. He's prays to Alarielle and if he's corrupted in some manner, it's not at all emphasised or made clear to us. He seems innocent or, at worst, in the wrong place at the wrong time. And he's getting purged. The eerie shock of this, I think, comes from seeing a stormcast about to strike down this guy. It's grim and dark.

If folks have been reading the AoS novels - City of Secrets specifically - they'll know that the Knights Excelsior do this sort of thing but to be honest a lot of folks haven't been reading the AoS fiction and are still surprised by the details that come out. The response to the travellers's guide to the mortal realms video shows exactly that and I'd see this story as something similar. This, front and centre on the website, is the most prominent showing of the SC's dark/grim side so far and fits with the whole 'age of hope is over' aspect that's being pushed in the rest of the Malign Portents material.

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And now we have a new behind the scenes video of Malign Portents. Check the MP website or its all over FB and WHTV channels. Not a lot of actual info, just more explaining the feel and theme, and obviously how cool it will be.  Lots of rules coming in the book, still we need to wait to see how these fit different types of play.

 

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Warhammer TV will be talking about MP tomorrow, hopefully we get some more info about what we can expect rules wise for some of the heralds. 

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Wish I could just make a poll in my response for Nagash statue or Stormcast so we could see the split. Personally, I think its a knight excelsior removing what is in his way to purge the taint. Acceptable civilian casualties and all.

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I am still wondering why people think it's a nagash statue when their armour is described to fit the knights excelsior and the stormcast exactly. Even doing a purge on people clearly infected by nurgle. I mean HELL IT'S RAINING(which is a sign of sigmar). Also with the lightning descriptions. 

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Maybe the stormcast statue flashing to a skeleton refers to the “cleansing” or killing they feel they have to do now.

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3 minutes ago, Edgecoc said:

Maybe the stormcast statue flashing to a skeleton refers to the “cleansing” or killing they feel they have to do now.

The stormhost in this story do it all the time. City of secrets. People view them with fear not awe well the old people who can remember them.  As per an old free guild member "they are no fairy tale knights." 

Kurgan even bought up the image in the death thread. 

 

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"Black Library needs you! We’re looking for new writers for the return of Inferno, and submissions editor Charlotte has some top tips on making your work stand out."

This is the message written in Warhammer community's article for this week's schedule. The interview will be held this thursday. I request someone volunteers to watch it and take notes for those interested but unable to watch it.

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Just for the record I have not seen a single serious claim that it is a Nagash or Nagashite statue. Just some voices (or in this thread, pretty much only mine) that the word statue might be to be taken more literal than most do.

 

Our mileage obviously varies, but I see absolutely nothing new in a story about a Knight Excelsior brutally purging the innocent just because they might have a plague. We know they do this stuff all the time since about their very first mention and it has been an ongoing element since.

So I guess in the context of this being all about dark omens and portents revolving around Shysh, I might just find the reading of some Sigmarite statue becoming maliciously animated more exciting. But even then, from my first post on, I said it may as well be just be a KE (feel free to look back, it has not been edited).

So I am really susprised by the vehemence with which some attack the very idea of an alternate reading, though I suspect it is because I jokingly referenced the Deathcast idea.

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Any reference to the Weeping Ague elsewhere? Sounds naturally Nurgle related but it could be something to do with Nagash or Flesh-Eater courts? Maybe the victims are ways of Death recruiting more soldiers.

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2 minutes ago, stickybluetoffee said:

Any reference to the Weeping Ague elsewhere? Sounds naturally Nurgle related but it could be something to do with Nagash or Flesh-Eater courts? Maybe the victims are ways of Death recruiting more soldiers.

I think it's been listed as a nurgle affliction before, but the kind of thing where they literally list made up diseases.

 

Also when the story mentions he hears noises coming from the forest, it could be other knights purging the nurgle followers nearby.

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4 hours ago, Rogue Explorator said:

It is not written as a similie though,...

 

3 hours ago, sandlemad said:

It's not a simile, you're right, it's a metaphor....

 

There's no time for metaphors cried the little pill to me
He said, "Life is a placebo masquerading as a simile"
Well, I knew that pill was lying
Too gregarious, too nice
But as he walked I had to sing this twice

-TMBG

Lie Still Little Bottle

Clearly.

 

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46 minutes ago, Soulsmith said:

I think it's been listed as a nurgle affliction before, but the kind of thing where they literally list made up diseases.

 

Also when the story mentions he hears noises coming from the forest, it could be other knights purging the nurgle followers nearby.

Yup, the father in story thought it was the nurgle warriors outside. Hence he was surprised to see the one who was is at the door. 

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Obviously it's a new faction of sentient skeleton statues that shoot lightning bolts... 9_9

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stormcast are not chummy guys, populace fear them. they will most definitely purge cities thought to be corrupted by chaos.

this idea that they are loved by all and respected rather than feared is something done by people who haven't really read the lore, or by people looking to poo poo AoS by making it seem all happy high fantasy. 

 

its grimdark, it just isnt well written about yet

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