Killax Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) Ironskull's Boyz Like all fantastic Let's Chat topics I believe that Warhammer Underworlds will be great with it's own set of Let's Chat topics aswell. The idea here is really to chat about the Warband, use of characters and offcourse deck construction that will eventually contain all kinds of different cards.The advantage of keeping all these topics in one place allows for players to really browse through a list of ideas and tactics applied by several players. Offcourse painting and modeling discussions will also be part of these kinds of topics.In order to inform the starting player and veteran I decided to put as much info on the Boyz as I can. Currently I can't find the complete deck scans of all cards just yet, so please be patient! Warband: Gurzag Ironskull Bonekutta Basha Hakka Review: Usefull Links:https://warhammerunderworlds.com/ironskulls-boyz/https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/10/13/the-warbands-of-shadespire-ironskulls-boyzgw-homepage-post-2/ Feel free to join the excitement for Warhammer Underworlds: Shadespire!Cheers, Edited October 20, 2017 by Killax 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killax Posted October 21, 2017 Author Share Posted October 21, 2017 Even more insight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorthorbeastlord Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 In a couple of the review videos they're mentioning a daemon weapon which damages the user? I don't have a card like that in my shadespire box so it must come with one of the expansion warbands or my set was short some cards. Anyone else have any ideas about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Taylor Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 16 minutes ago, gorthorbeastlord said: In a couple of the review videos they're mentioning a daemon weapon which damages the user? I don't have a card like that in my shadespire box so it must come with one of the expansion warbands or my set was short some cards. Anyone else have any ideas about this? It comes with the Orruks I think and I think it's limited to their warband rather than being a generic card (but I could be wrong) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gorthorbeastlord Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Cheers, we'll see it for sure in a couple weeks then, I'm definitely pre ordering these lads this weekend and it'll be a mad dash to paint them ASAP! I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a generic card with the blood reavers that I wasn't missing. I guess until they're in our hands there's only one question to ask, which orruk will you paint first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killax Posted November 1, 2017 Author Share Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) So with the Ironskull's Boys comming up this weekend I'm looking forward to pick up this box. As can be seen in the video previews the Boys get a lot harder when they get hurt and I really like this mechanic for all of them. In addition having four models with a minimum of four health is also huge! The potions, additional wounds and damage for buff Power cards will be huge on them. From this initial impression I think it's save to say that both Gurzag and Bonekutta are the main fighters you want to have and stick around. Both Knockback and Cleave are very useful and I love how each Warband so far has a Cleave model amongst them, it's essential for Stormcast and Orruks to actually have this improved defence. Generally speaking though I think Basha will always be useful as Knockback is just great. Will pick up the box as soon as possible and provide some more insight. What's really interesting is that none of their Objective cards are any Hold Objective cards, despite that fact I do think they are great Objectives for them because they are so sturdy and sitting on an Objective will certainly force opponets to do something with them. What I really like about these prospects is that they are the first Warband with the duality to go full offensive with every member in the Warband but also have the Wounds to play this aggressively. For Bloodreavers the Wounds usually keep you back from charging into anything. With Stormcast 3 charges mean it's difficult to be on Guard and at least one Activation is spend on cycling cards. All in all I love the options the Boys have by comparison. Cheers, Edited November 1, 2017 by Killax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbanus Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 I odly torn when it comes to this warband. I really like them from a tactics point-of-view. They are the Jack of All Trades of the warbands able to go both offensive and defensive and even play a bit of the objective game, all of which I really like. On the other hand... I dislike orcs. Both the look of the models and the background. Im considering asking my usual opponent if I can proxy. Then again maybe the models will grow on me as I paint them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killax Posted November 1, 2017 Author Share Posted November 1, 2017 I think the models are awesome but like gold with Stormcast Id refuse to paint them yellow. Keep something darker in mind: 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbanus Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Killax said: I think the models are awesome but like gold with Stormcast Id refuse to paint them yellow. Keep something darker in mind: Looks great! I was considering grey with red as spot colour but Im worried the grey wont work so well with the metal of the chainmail and weapons. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillagoreFaceslasha Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 (edited) Me personally I'm thinking I will paint them like saim hann eldar but with kantor blue pauldrons or just go for abaddon black with praxetty white details. Edited November 2, 2017 by KillagoreFaceslasha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killax Posted November 4, 2017 Author Share Posted November 4, 2017 On 2-11-2017 at 12:07 PM, KillagoreFaceslasha said: Me personally I'm thinking I will paint them like saim hann eldar but with kantor blue pauldrons or just go for abaddon black with praxetty white details. Sounds awesome to me! I think a lot of options can work very well. I think the prime issue I have with the Yellow is that it's so clean and bright and this simply doesn't fit the Orruks. Not even the artwork is that crisp for example. It's kind of cool that they resemble the 80's "bright colours" models but we've come to an age where washes, pigments and shades are easy to get (pre made) and thus relying on prime colours is much less needed... However the case, get them if you like them and certainly paint them however you want! I think the only reason why GW went away from the older Black Orcs look is because black is a difficult colour to work with. So is yellow offcourse but at least a green undercoat (or no undercoat) will still allow for a yellow outcome. If it was up to me though I'd defice a scheme for the studio very much like the above, bright details but otherwise very earthly tones. It just looks better with green. GET EM LADZ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysandestolpe Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 (edited) My first try at a deck: x12 Objectives: (1) Biggest An' Da Best Dere's More of Us Call of the Waaagh! Get Da Boss Divide and Conquer (2) Conquest Victorious Duel Brawl Good Scrap X (3) Superior Tactics 'Ard as Iron x12 Ploy: Kunnin' but Brutal 'Avin' a Good Time Gorkamorka's Blessing Burtal but Kunnin' Scrag 'Em Last Lunge More Choppin' Healing Potion Parry Deafening Bellow Daylight Robbery X Artifacts: Crush and Cleave Unkillable Great Fortitude Waaaagh! 'Ard Head Brutal Frenzy 'Eadbutt X Feedback would be very appreciated! I've only played twice, once with the Orruks. And I do not know all the rules so I need a deck to get started and understand the process. Edited November 4, 2017 by Lysandestolpe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Nexus Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 You can't have duplicate cards of any kind 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysandestolpe Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 15 minutes ago, Black_Nexus said: You can't have duplicate cards of any kind Aha! Missed that one. Thanks for the heads up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Nexus Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Looking at the Ironjaws, I don't think I can build a deck without using some of the base objectives for sure. They have some good ones, and a bunch of ones that aren't really well suited to Ironjaws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakree Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 So I played ironskulls boyz at the bad dice tournament on Friday. Managed to finish in 6th, don't remember my deck list but can find out next week if people are intrested. I only had about 30mins to build the deck so there is easily room for refinement. The warband is hyper aggressive with a lot of amazing warband specific cards. You are very dependent on both board setup, you want to have as many linking hexes as possible, and on objective placement. Since you generally won't have the 1-5 cards you want to use your first placement in your opponents half to block good placement for him and put it towards the front of his board. Plant the banner let's you score 1 if gurzag holds a point in the enemy territory so a nice east score is great and it denies your opponent good defensive objectives to. The deck itself is very aggressive but with great tricks. In the poly phase you can trigger a free attack, get a move off that attack and even trigger charges. This let's you act out of sequence a lot. Only gurzag is good uninspired but with 4 health the others inspire easily. Once they do there is no bad fighter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killax Posted November 4, 2017 Author Share Posted November 4, 2017 @Malakree love to hear more about it man! I think the Ironskull's look amazingly well equiped for any combat, to the point where I think they might be the Stormcast counter that to me at least Bloodreavers most certainly arn't. Tons of great cards, which I'll note as soon as possible for them. What I also love about them is exactly as you stated, the moment they get any form of damage there are no bad fighters left and the moment you are inspired you don't turn back once healed. In addition to that I believe there is only more power to be added when mixed with the Core set. Logical cards to add remain: Great Strength Great Fortitude Confusion Healing Potion Sidestep Shardfall Likely the Hold Objectives, cards still do not dissapoint@Lysandestolpe Some things to keep in mind for deck construction is that you cannot have more Ploy cards as you have Upgrades. Other than that feel free to share the contents so we can get the discussion going 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Nexus Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 So for objectives I was thinking this Hold objectives 1-5 Too dumb to die Dere's more of us Biggest an' da best Good scrap Contained Denial Conquest Hold objectives early for early glory, fight and try to force the enemy into his own board. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killax Posted November 4, 2017 Author Share Posted November 4, 2017 20 minutes ago, Black_Nexus said: So for objectives I was thinking this Hold objectives 1-5 Too dumb to die Dere's more of us Biggest an' da best Good scrap Contained Denial Conquest Hold objectives early for early glory, fight and try to force the enemy into his own board. Seems good to me, Denial and Conquest are like peanut butter and jelly for my Stormcast and I feel they work even better for Orks. Would love to know what Biggest an'da best, Good scrap and Contained specifically say. Have only seen the card partially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Nexus Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Contained - Score this in the 3rd end phase if ALL surviving enemy warbands are in their own territory Good Scrap - Score this in an end phase if three or more fighters were taking out in the preceding action phase Biggest an da best - Score this (In your end phase) if your leader took an enemy fighter out of action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysandestolpe Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Dope! I need to re-read the rules clearly! I'll be back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakree Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 2 hours ago, Killax said: Great Fortitude Confusion Healing Potion Sidestep I used all of these, healing potion is fantastic. I'd say autoinclude. 2 hours ago, Black_Nexus said: Hold objectives early for early glory, fight and try to force the enemy into his own board There are so many good objectives, especially for early scoring, that I think they are unnecessary, they also detract from your primary goal of moving forward/supporting all your fighters. For early objectives you've got deres more of us, biggest and da best. Good scrap Plant the banner - "score in an end phase if your leader controls an objective I'm the enemy territory." A - "score immediately if 3 of your fighters make a charge action." - "score this in an end phase if each of your your remaining fighters 2+ has attacked a different enemy fighter this phase, 2 glory" Swift advance - "score this in an end phase of all of your remaining fighters are in enemy territory" - "Score this in an end phase if each of your remaining fighters, 3+ is adjacent to an enemy fighter" 2 glory There is also a very cool objective which combos with 1 (2) potential ploys. The cards read - "score this immediately if one of your fighters attacks with support from 2+ more fighters than your opponent" Scrag em and dual strike - "for the next attack each of your fighters counts as 2 fighters for support" Before you say anything, yes this does work, I had it FAQ by the guy who designed the game before I handed my list in! So you can see there really is no need for 1-5 in your objectives deck. That's 9 cards for your deck all of which are pretty easy to score running at 1/2 glory each. This let's you play the objective game of messing with your opponents ability to cap while leaving you free of the same trap. I loved my 2 of my final 3 which I would keep Conquest - "score in 3rd end phase if all your surviving fighters are in enemy territory. - "score this if you scored 2+ other objective cards this round". The final card is my question. There's no obvious one I could find and you probably want a 3rd end phase big scorer. Possibly ard as iron for an opponent who is playing really defensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Nexus Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Here is what I had in mind for my first draft Objectives (12) Hold objective 1 Hold objective 2 Hold objective 3 Hold objective 4 Hold objective 5 Too dumb to die Dere's more of us Biggest an' da best Good scrap Contained Denial Conquest Ploys (10) Gorkamorka’s Blessing Healing potion Confusion Sidestep Brutal but Kunnin’ Kunnin’ but brutal ‘Avin a good time Distraction Leadin’ by Example Deafening Bellow Artifacts (10) Great speed Great Strength Great Fortitude Daemonic Weapon ‘Ard Head Waaagh! Crush and Cleave Brutal Swing ‘Eadbutt Unkillable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakree Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, Black_Nexus said: Gorkamorka’s Blessing Healing potion Sidestep Brutal but Kunnin’ Kunnin’ but brutal ‘Avin a good time Distraction Leadin’ by Example I had all of these 8 and dual strike/Scrag em, which are explained above. That said against the undead I really would have loved confusion, it's so key to get on the warden and he can block it off from you. 6 minutes ago, Black_Nexus said: Great Fortitude ‘Ard Head Waaagh! Crush and Cleave Brutal Swing ‘Eadbutt Unkillable Again I ran these 7, I almost ran the basha/hakka get +1 dice if they charge. Their abilities and the fact they inspire to 1/3/2 means they can become monsters in their own right. Hackka getting cleave on a crit is brutal on 1/4/2. There's also an upgrade card which is helpful whispers - "if this fighter treats (1 support) as a success if they are unsupported" not sure on the exact wording but it's a great neutral for us because all our inspired fighters are so solid. Again on had 2 floating upgrades which were meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_Nexus Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 I don't have my undead cards yet, I was a nice person and gave mine to my friend since his got delayed. So I'll have my undead cards later this week 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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