Summon rule question for Noob plz

[Humanities]

Hello

 

I recently begin collect death army

but I feel very unfair for summon rule on matched play

 

As I know

 

For example 'black knight'

You have to pay 120 point for set up 1 unit of 5 model

 

and If you want to summon them do not set up for first

 

You also pay 120 point for reinforcement 

 

and this is the problem

 

I thought If I pay 120 summon point for black knight 

then successed summon and they died I can summon them again 

 

but friend said If I want to summon them again 

I must pay 120 point one more time and every time If I want to summon them again each time I have to pay 120 point for them

 

what the heck ! If my friends right 

where is the advantage of summon rule??

There is no better part of just set up a black knight first time

 

Summon rule even have chance to fail and Enemy hero can unbind !

 

 

please let me know about summon rule on matched plaý

specifically death army

 

and what is the advantage of summon rule?

Now I can see only bad thing 

I'd rather just set up a unit first place 

 

p.s) sorrt for bad english Im not good at englsih

 

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[deynon]

Your friend is right, but you  see only the bad part of the summoning.

 

Summoning doesn't require you to declare which units you'll summon, so they can be Back knights or 2 units of zombies.

Summoning you can create a unit to conquer an objective choosing (ie in case of scenarios where it's on ly a Hero to be able to conquer them and put that there suddenly...

You can summo the unit in strategic points (and don't overlook such a thing)... guess what happen if you summon something in the range to use the articact to charge for the FEC...

Summoning can block the advance of certain units ceating a wall where is needed

Summoning can help you in menacing certain unit such as wizards or charging and distracting the opponent to leave behind heros or artilleries that could otherway inflict damage

summoning not necessarily is magic, but also abilities, it's a mind game with your opponent about how you'll use your reinforcement points cause you can summona vast amount of different units.

Not being on the field from the start let you adapt on how the battle is progressing.

 

Anyway remember that you have with the GA:D the "unholy sowrd" and with that you summon (a summonable unit obviously) and it can't be dispelled. WIth FEC you have the ability to summon unit thank to abilities and thery can't be forbidden too. So, dont take this things as a problem, but as a tactic to use strategically.

[Humanities]

Thank you for detail and kind reply
I understand summon have a potential
but still I think death is lil weaker than others
because except flesh eater. There is no battalion for death


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[ncshooter426]

Any rule a unit has that returns slain models (example: roll D3 at the beginning of the phase) does NOT count against your summoning points.

Summoning brings in units, not models. Unless your unit of black knights was completely wiped out, you can keep bringing back D3 each round and not pay anything. If you want another unit of them on the field, or to bring back the completely wiped squad, you pay the points (as it is essentially a new unit).

Summoning is very powerful, because you can tailor your list to your opponent after they have brought their army. You have a pool of points to use for whatever you want. You also get to do deploy them anywhere on the field, which can be huge for board control. The drawback is the potential for the summon to be dispelled/failed, and you are limited to a specific number of models for the summoned unit (Nagash can double, which is pretty awesome). So it may be hard to bring on a specific, large force.

[deynon]

1 hour ago, Humanities said:

Thank you for detail and kind reply
I understand summon have a potential
but still I think death is lil weaker than others
because except flesh eater. There is no battalion for death


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Still exist "Legion of Death"  (even if bugged^^) but not only FEC ones technically^^

[ipoo2]

Does summoning circumvent the new allies rule? 

[ncshooter426]

4 minutes ago, ipoo2 said:

Does summoning circumvent the new allies rule? 

You can summon anything that has a summon ability, and matches allegiance (Death). Summoning points are pretty much neutral currency, but won't break any allegiance. One way to still get the model you want (assuming it can be summoned) is to have a wiz on the field

[deynon]

4 minutes ago, ipoo2 said:

Does summoning circumvent the new allies rule? 

sure,except it has always to belong to the grand alliagence Death what you su,,o, so nothing from the other great alliiagences (obviously it has to have the optiom to be summonmable)

[ipoo2]

That's good news 

 

For the OP, summoning is a great tactic. Check this column out 

https://aos-tactics.com/2017/03/06/summoning-in-age-of-sigmar/