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DantePQ Lord Celestant

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2 hours ago, Olincay said:

So has anyone else noticed with the leaked rules we can now have small Morathi -3 to hit in the shooting phase? 
Initially i was  never really finding a spot for her, but now i think i may reconsider. 

Does it change it so much ? With new rules Khailebron is worse then HaggNarr as shooting in many ways will be nerfed and then you got -1 to hit for all leaders but big Morathi (as Cauldrons aren't Monsters so they have -1 to hit as well unless it's FAQed) 

I think with rules we've seen Morathi is much better especially if new spells are for matched play as well (so she doesn't have to wase her 3rd spell to cast mystic shield or arcane bolt, also mystic shield is useless in turn 5 for DoK) she has -2 to hit with shooting, ability to unbid two spells ar 30'' with +1 to unbid, there are great command abilities to be use with heroes nearby and maybe we can use her command ability (but I doubt it as she's got to be a general to use it).

Also Doomfire Warlocks with their mobility and 30'' unbid and nerf to Arcane Bolt are quite good, I'd rather have two units of 5 then one unit of 10 as two 30'' unbids are better then 1 with potential +1.  

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syph0n Lord Castellant

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I've got 10 Doomfire Warlocks on the way. Love the concept of them, so now with the magic changes they're even cooler. Not on the DoK bandwagon as yet - weighing up vs Deepkin - but a snake/harpy/doomfire list looks like my cup of tea. I just worry that you really need loads of witches to smash face and they're decidedly not for me despite their combat prowess!

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DantePQ Lord Celestant

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3 minutes ago, syph0n said:

I've got 10 Doomfire Warlocks on the way. Love the concept of them, so now with the magic changes they're even cooler. Not on the DoK bandwagon as yet - weighing up vs Deepkin - but a snake/harpy/doomfire list looks like my cup of tea. I just worry that you really need loads of witches to smash face and they're decidedly not for me despite their combat prowess!

with almost any list you got to have witches - I'm very pleased with 40 (30+10) but @Scythian has nice list without witches so I guess you could fit Warlocks into that as HaggNarr heavy-snake army is good :D 

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Lhw Protector

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With the hit to shooting, Morathis long spell range in mini form seems to have got better comparatively too. Actually take off some support characters. Considering whether Pit of Shades could actually be useful for that purpose. 

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syph0n Lord Castellant

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3 minutes ago, DantePQ said:

with almost any list you got to have witches - I'm very pleased with 40 (30+10) but @Scythian has nice list without witches so I guess you could fit Warlocks into that as HaggNarr heavy-snake army is good :D 

I will investigate! To be fair, I would just do a 1k list initially to dip my toe. That's gotta have a Bloodwrack Shrine and loads of Bloodsisters anyway. If I don't like painting all the skin, I'll go Deepkin! ?

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Saiken Decimator

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Same here. Given the monstrous cost of starting a DoK Army. I'm playing it slowly and see what's coming.
I'm more and more considering a snake + harpy + Doomfire army as I really can't justify paying 45€ for a box of 10 standard units ...

As much as I love DoK in terms of aesthetics and lore, and everything ... I'll just try a 1k list for now, and hope that Moonclan is releasing soon :D

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Gecktron Lord Celestant

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23 minutes ago, syph0n said:

I will investigate! To be fair, I would just do a 1k list initially to dip my toe. That's gotta have a Bloodwrack Shrine and loads of Bloodsisters anyway. If I don't like painting all the skin, I'll go Deepkin! ?

I dont like Witch Aelfs either but Bloodwrack Shrines and Blood Sisters have proven quite successful for me on the 1K level. 

I have tried 5 Khinerai and 5 Doomfire Warlocks but I didnt liked them too much but maybe they get better If I tried 10 of each. 

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8 minutes ago, Gecktron said:

I dont like Witch Aelfs either but Bloodwrack Shrines and Blood Sisters have proven quite successful for me on the 1K level. 

I have tried 5 Khinerai and 5 Doomfire Warlocks but I didnt liked them too much but maybe they get better If I tried 10 of each. 

How many Blood Sisters do you squeeze in?

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syph0n Lord Castellant

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25 minutes ago, Saiken said:

Same here. Given the monstrous cost of starting a DoK Army. I'm playing it slowly and see what's coming.
I'm more and more considering a snake + harpy + Doomfire army as I really can't justify paying 45€ for a box of 10 standard units ...

As much as I love DoK in terms of aesthetics and lore, and everything ... I'll just try a 1k list for now, and hope that Moonclan is releasing soon :D

I hear you. Cost is factor. I earn good money, but I've also got a wife in training to be a midwife and two kids (who have their clubs, trips with school)... Hobby money is limited, but so is time. Maybe I should just go Stormcast! Cheap and quick! ?

13 minutes ago, Gecktron said:

I dont like Witch Aelfs either but Bloodwrack Shrines and Blood Sisters have proven quite successful for me on the 1K level. 

I have tried 5 Khinerai and 5 Doomfire Warlocks but I didnt liked them too much but maybe they get better If I tried 10 of each. 

That's good to hear, as a 1k list is easily filled with the Shrine and Blood Sisters and both are fantastic looking models  to boot. 

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Kramer Lord Celestant

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19 hours ago, GammaMage said:

he stalkers look good, but I found them rather lacklustre in my games. They're good for sitting on a back ovbjective and still hitting stuff at range, but if you're wanting to use Sisters for that, then I don't think they're worth taking.

agreed and it s*cks because I really wanted them to be good, haha

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Gecktron Lord Celestant

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3 hours ago, ClockworkGeo91 said:

How many Blood Sisters do you squeeze in?

At least ten. 

This is the list I used recently:

Allegiance: Daughters Of Khaine
- Temple: Hagg Nar

Leaders
Bloodwrack Shrine (220)
- General
- Trait: Devoted Desciples  
- Artefact: Crystal Heart  
- Lore of Shadows: Mindrazor
Hag Queen (60)
- Prayer: Catechism of Murder

Battleline
10 x Blood Sisters (280)
10 x Witch Aelves (100)
- Pairs of Sacrificial Knives

Units
5 x Doomfire Warlocks (160)
- Lore of Shadows: the withering

Behemoths
Avatar of Khaine (180)

 

Not the most optimized list as this is mostly just the stuff I have at the moment. The core of this army are the Shrine, the Hag Queen and 10 Sisters. I'd like to throw units at the enemy until I can unleash the buffed up Blood Sisters on the enemy. 10 Sisters with Mindrazor, Witch brew and Catechism of Murder in turn 3 or later will destroy everything. In my last game they shredded trough a full health Maw-crusha in one round of close combat. They are brutal on such a low point level. 
Sometimes I have to sacrifice my Warlocks or my Witch aelfs for my Blood Sisters but I always feel like its worth it. 
But my experience may not be universal as I have faced only close combat focused armies so far and DoK are especially strong against them, in my opinion. 

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10 minutes ago, Gecktron said:

At least ten. 

This is the list I used recently:

Allegiance: Daughters Of Khaine
- Temple: Hagg Nar

Leaders
Bloodwrack Shrine (220)
- General
- Trait: Devoted Desciples  
- Artefact: Crystal Heart  
- Lore of Shadows: Mindrazor
Hag Queen (60)
- Prayer: Catechism of Murder

Battleline
10 x Blood Sisters (280)
10 x Witch Aelves (100)
- Pairs of Sacrificial Knives

Units
5 x Doomfire Warlocks (160)
- Lore of Shadows: the withering

Behemoths
Avatar of Khaine (180)

 

Not the most optimized list as this is mostly just the stuff I have at the moment. The core of this army are the Shrine, the Hag Queen and 10 Sisters. I'd like to throw units at the enemy until I can unleash the buffed up Blood Sisters on the enemy. 10 Sisters with Mindrazor, Witch brew and Catechism of Murder in turn 3 or later will destroy everything. In my last game they shredded trough a full health Maw-crusha in one round of close combat. They are brutal on such a low point level. 
Sometimes I have to sacrifice my Warlocks or my Witch aelfs for my Blood Sisters but I always feel like its worth it. 
But my experience may not be universal as I have faced only close combat focused armies so far and DoK are especially strong against them, in my opinion. 

Thanks for the advice! Been tinkering with my 1k List, think i'll take similar except drop the warlocks and take ten more witch aelves and another hag queen.

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Azamar Dracothian Guard

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So a question arose from a recent game, and my DOK playing friend suggested I post here for opinions (I’ve asked on the q+a forum here, but as there’s no official answer the more opinions the better) 

How does the  mind-razor spell interact with other bonuses to bravery? The spell specifies if the unit has a higher bravery characteristic, and DOK bravery buffs from, say, the avatar say +1 to the bravery characteristic so that obviously applies, but what about buffs from banners and the like (specific example was darkling coven/ Phoenix temple banners temple banners). These buffs don’t specify characteristic, so is the intention that they shouldn’t count, or is the difference due to newer warscrolls having more precise wording? (Deepkin bravery boosts all  say + x to bravery *characteristic as well). 

Obviously I’m not thinking of buffs that state “in the battleshock phase” such as the +1 for 10 models here. 

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syph0n Lord Castellant

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I've been playing with the idea of picking up the Cauldron and 2 boxes of Sisters. 

With that and what I own, I can make (I think)

Medusa (General) 

Slaughter Queen

Hag Cauldron

2x5 Blood Sisters 

5 Warlocks 

980/1000

Queen and Medusa look after the two Blood Sister units, Warlocks just cause a bit of magic and ranged distraction. Not sure on Temple, maybe Draichi Ganeth. Might be a bit top heavy? Just thinking it's relatively cheap way to try Daughters and I know I can squeeze the Medusa or Melusai in at least one Order Serpentis list! ?

Other option, go Bloodwrack Shrine and have two lots of Warlocks. Hag and Slaughter Queen escorts the Blood Sisters. 

Final option, dump the Shrine, have a jiggle about and squeeze a Hydra in for a laugh. Are people bothering with allies with Daughters? They seem to not need them!

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