Skaven Supremacy through rational Analysis

This is great, I was literally about to post on the forum about a comparison between Monks and Stormvermin. I’m still leaning towards SV being more consistent and not reliant on a charge. After 2 rounds of combat, you’re likely to still have some SV left thanks to the 4+ save. 

Edited October 29, 2019 by Cosmicsheep

I would love SV to be a viable alternative, however right now I think the difference in effectiveness is just too pronounced. Lowering their cost to 400 and the Clawhorde to 120 (or increasing the area  a bit) would certainly help.

 

I think this comes down to a quality of life issue. Yes your opponents can fear plague monks and say they're overpowered. As the skaven player, I know they're good glass cannons and can serve their role effectively, but I absolutely hate running them. Fully buffed, I've got 4 dice pools to worry about in mass? No thank you. I'm still a practical wargamer after all. I'm not afraid of fielding them, only using them (slowing the game down). Its for this reason I believe that points increases are missing the mark, its a lazy tactic used by GW. Its not out of the question to re-write a warscroll and I'm so confused why it would be difficult to do so, especially done alongside a major rules update like the players handbook releases. 

Perhaps my gripes are all to justify running my 80 stormvermin anyway? They're soo cool!

19 hours ago, Riff_Raff_Rascal said:

Perhaps my gripes are all to justify running my 80 stormvermin anyway? They're soo cool!

Definitely one of the best looking units in the whole game.

I literally use them every time, and am hated for doing so.

Yeah, one thing I thought the old warscroll did better is that both abilities were triggered on the Wound Roll of 6. Having one on the hit and the other on the wound seems to be making it unnecessarily longer to roll them.

I just played a Virulent Procession list yesterday (I know, crazy right) that included 2 units of 10 plague monks with the stave and blades. Those two units  (with NO command models) and Plague Furnace support obliterated the entirety of my buds BOC battleline units (50% of his army). Of course their was some tactics involved and a double turn on round 2, but just getting them to 7 attacks each on every charge was a FEEL BAD EXPERIENCE. I went out of my way not to field any of the 2 dmg effects for quality of life reasons, even with my two other units of 40 plague monks waiting  behind my plague furnaces. Out of my friends mouth was "I don't think I want to play BOC anymore" and made me feel like ******. I thought I had stripped down my army and having ~300 points of battalions was going to put me at a disadvantage. But it was so devastating, I made him feel like his army was not worth playing. 

14 hours ago, Riff_Raff_Rascal said:

I just played a Virulent Procession list yesterday (I know, crazy right) that included 2 units of 10 plague monks with the stave and blades. Those two units  (with NO command models) and Plague Furnace support obliterated the entirety of my buds BOC battleline units (50% of his army). Of course their was some tactics involved and a double turn on round 2, but just getting them to 7 attacks each on every charge was a FEEL BAD EXPERIENCE. I went out of my way not to field any of the 2 dmg effects for quality of life reasons, even with my two other units of 40 plague monks waiting  behind my plague furnaces. Out of my friends mouth was "I don't think I want to play BOC anymore" and made me feel like ******. I thought I had stripped down my army and having ~300 points of battalions was going to put me at a disadvantage. But it was so devastating, I made him feel like his army was not worth playing. 

Well BOC is really weak against a lot off stuff

@Eevika This is also true. But I wasn't about to tell my friend. I personally love BOC and think they're good for their list building potential and so I offered to use my buddy's BOC against him so he can try his other armies. I hope I might be able to learn/teach tactics with him when playing with weak armor units/armies. Its a learning experience for sure. 

Honestly, 9 attacks per model is not fun. Even with good ranged, it's a mess to deal with- Especially with their low points cost. X(