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  1. Here is the new thread for discussing Clan Verminus / Skaven. With the imminent release of AoS 2 (and a lot of the info already being out there), now is the time for us to start afresh on TGA. Moving forward, this will be the main thread to chat about and discuss Clan Verminus / Skaven in the new edition. I still wholly encourage people to keep their own threads/army blogs within this sub forum and I also think those are a great place to share some photos as I know not everyone frequents the Painting & Modelling section. But this thread is purely for discussion around the faction, things such as (but not limited to) tactics and list building etc. You all know the drill, we've been doing it on this forum since inception! For newer players, I would say the older thread could still be worth perusal and whilst it is now locked for further replies, you can find it here - http://www.tga.community/forums/topic/16063-lets-chat-verminus/ Really excited to see what we can come up with as a community and I look forward to reading all your ideas and thoughts.
  2. Welcome to Age of Sigmar second edition people. Lets kick off the first blog post for this edition with how mixed skaven measures up thanks to the chages to Grand Alliance: Chaos rules. Allegiance Ability The GA: Chaos allegiance ability is nothing too overpowered, par the course for the Grand Alliances. "Unbridled Malice" is a slight rework of the old ability they had, in this edition you roll a dice for a unit when you select it to fight in the combat phase if that unit is within 12 inches of your general or 3 inches of a hero, and on the roll of a 6 they add one to all their hit rolls. I like this one (on the event anyone remembers to actually roll for it) because Skaven field a lot of heroes and a lot of units that really benefit from +1 to hit like Clanrats, Plague Monks and Gutter Runners, and I'll be adding this to my reminder sheet. Command Traits Dark Avenger - This grants +1 to hit against order units for the general. Not great really. Spiteful Duelist - Reroll one wound roll per combat for the general. Somehow worse than the above. Cunning Deciever - Roll a dice at the start of your turn, with a 5+ netting you a free command point. This is pretty cool to be honest, great for a pasive long range force like a heavy Skryre or a Moulder force that needs all the command points it can get. Lord of War - Pick a unit within 3 inches and roll a dice, on a 4+ it gets +1 to hit. Definitely neat, this one will usually not ever be a waste especially considering Unbridled Malice as a rule. Terrifying Pressence - Enemies within 3 inches of the general suffer -1 to bravery. Not awful, definitely not better than Lord of War or Cunning Deciever. Malicious Conqueror - Add 1 to all Unbridled Malice rolls made within 12 inches of the general. I like this one, and in my army that runs a heavy amount of minimum size Plague Monk units i'll be taking this every time. Artifacts I literally have no interest in covering 5 out of the 6 artifacts in this list because they're absolutely worthless. However one of them is a classic from the last two editions of the GHB, and it got one HELL of a remake. The Crown of Conquest - Friendly CHAOS units within 6 inches of the bearer don't need to test for battleshock. I'm sorry, what? How on earth did this get past the design team? Did they think the new coherence rule somehow would make this not completely broken? I'm switching from Pestilens Allegiance for this. That's how big a deal this is. This takes Strength in Numbers and kicks it out the door. This thing on a Plaguesmog Congregation Plague Furnace pushed by clanrats for the Look Out Sir rule? Totally broken. This is now a 12 wound model with -2 to hit it providing a 6 inch bubble of NO BATTLESHOCK. This is stupid. I basically wrote this entire blog post to cover this ridiculous artifact.
  3. Rangeltoft

    Clan Moulder question

    Hello to you all! Played my first AoS game ever last week with my Maggotkin (due to having Nurgle Daemons in 40k) and found AoS to be alot more fun then I expected. In Fantasy I always loved the Skaven and Clan Moulder has always been my favorite (followed by Pestilence and Skyre). So to my question: How do I run a Clan Moulder list in AoS 2.0? I understand that Rat Ogres and Giant Rats become battleline in a Moulder list, but what else can I include in the list , without bringing allies? Can I for instance run a Grey Seer and still count the army as Moulder? What Command Traits and Artifacts do I use (GA: Chaos or none at all?) /Cheers Rangeltoft
  4. Gaz Taylor

    AoS 2 - Clan Skyre Discussion

    Here is the new thread for discussing Clan Skyre. With the imminent release of AoS 2 (and a lot of the info already being out there), now is the time for us to start afresh on TGA. Moving forward, this will be the main thread to chat about and discuss Clan Skyre in the new edition. I still wholly encourage people to keep their own threads/army blogs within this sub forum and I also think those are a great place to share some photos as I know not everyone frequents the Painting & Modelling section. But this thread is purely for discussion around the faction, things such as (but not limited to) tactics and list building etc. You all know the drill, we've been doing it on this forum since inception! For newer players, I would say the older thread could still be worth perusal and whilst it is now locked for further replies, you can find it here - http://www.tga.community/forums/topic/11269-let´s-talk-skyre/ Really excited to see what we can come up with as a community and I look forward to reading all your ideas and thoughts.
  5. Hey there guys, With 2018 just around the corner, a new AoS storyline about to begin with Malign Portents and hopefully some sweet Campaign Weekends being run at Warhammer World I thought I would begin a new project that I've been thinking about for a while - a Clan Moulder army. I have a good sized Skaven army from the World that was that needs to be updated for Age of Sigmar but I thought I would focus on a single clan for my new army, one I had never touched before. The main thing I want from this new army is to make it look like a horrifying mass of flesh and fur when arrayed on the table, and to me the current Rat Ogre models just don't fit that vibe - so as my first unit I have begun converting the Stormfiend models into normal Rat Ogres with, I hope, some success! Let me know what you thing and I'll hopefully be back with some more soon!
  6. Hanskrampf

    Allegiance Cards: Skaven Skryre

    Version 3.10.00

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    Age of Sigmar started out simple enough. But the first General's Handbook changed a lot of things. Suddenly you could personalise a few things for your army with command traits for your general and artefacts for your heroes. Then dropped the first battletomes which included allegiance abilities. And the amount grew rapidly. Because I don't like flipping back and forth in my books for every other ability, I created some cards to help keep the important rules right at the table, beside your models. All cards are available as print files with 3mm bleed and cutting marks, as a 'web' version (for viewing on smartphones/tablets), US letter and DIN A4 printing sheet. each set contains: cover / card backside, Battle Traits, Command Traits, Artefacts, cards for spell lores and faction specific skills card size is 63 x 88 mm (same as Pokemon, Magic, 40k Datacards, etc.) language: English I tried to keep the original wording, but sometimes I had to abbreviate it to fit on the card without scaling down the font size. The rule intentions should still be clear. 'Dice' was continuously replaced with D3 or D6, 'wound roll' with 'To-Wound roll' (same for hit), 'Mortal Wounds' sometimes with 'MW' each set can be stored in a faction specific card box, with contents listed on the back (instructions) I will expand these cards further, but don't count on any release schedule or certain timeframe after release of new stuff. If you find any errors or have suggestions, please let me know. I had fun creating these cards and hope people will find them useful and have fun using them in their games. All rules, artwork and the Age of Sigmar logo © Games Workshop PLC These cards are for personal use only and you should always keep your General's Handbook and/or Battletome nearby to solve any conflicts from bad wording on the cards. These cards are only a playing aid and never could nor should replace an official publication. Please let me know if I have used anything you would like to be removed. Overview and changes
  7. Hi all, I've started writing my own custom rules for some of the AoS miniatures I own that don't have anything for WHQ yet. Starting off with some of the basics for Skaven. I'd love to hear your feedback! EDITED https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0Bx8gylc9SlsBc1pNS0M5bDZTZEU?usp=sharing
  8. Something a little different this time, we're reaching out of the pestilent pond and talking about the model that literally made me want to play Skaven as an army (Pre AOS even), the dreaded lord of all Verminlords, Skreech the Verminking. Royal Introductions Skreech is the skaven named character that does a little bit of everything. He has a solid combat profile, he has a toolkit of abilities that let him recieve a small buff of yur choice each turn based on each skaven clan that switches up his utlity, and he's a spellcaster packing the infamous Dreaded Thirteenth Spell. He has a command ability that will be at least slightly useful no matter what type of skaven force you take and he's exceptionally reasonably costed at only 300pts. Boons of the Rat-King The reason to take Skreech in the old edition was his surprising kill capabilities in close combat and his unleashing the Dreaded Thirteenth Spell to chunck a unit for between 5 and 10 wounds on average. In this edition, said sell now summons free clanrats because I don't know, it wasn't strong enough before or something silly. He also went down in cost and contributes as a spellcaster to deal with the new Endless Spells. He no longer has to be the general to use his command ability, a relief considering he can't take a command trait or artifacts. Drawbacks of Monarchy I mean, Skreech's only reaal weaknesses are the same as all the other Verminlords. He only has 12 wounds and a 4+ save, which honestly isn't even awful. He can't take traits or artifacts being a named character, but given his comman ability isn't tethered to being the general that doesn't come into play. Beseeching the Lord Taking Skreech is a no brainer if you've made the call to not use Thanquol and Boneripper (don't use both, it's cool but its 700pts). The real dream however is not taking Skreech, taking a Screaming Bell and summoning him for free, then instantly using the Dreaded Thirteenth Spell to kill a bunch of enemy troops and throw down a line of Clanrats in front of Skreech to cover him from a charge. Mixed Skaven can awlays find a home for the Lord Skreech, do so often and without hesitation.
  9. Most armies have their dedicated elite infantry, and from the Freeguild Greatswords to the Kharadron Grundstock Thunderers they bear an infamous reputation on the battlefield. Each of the Skaven Clans have their own as well, and those fielded by the Clans Pestilens are known as Plague Censer Bearers. Swinging High The standout strengths of the Censer Bearers are evident. Unlike Plague Monks their weapon range is 2 inches, meaning they can actually swing over the top of themselves when taken in large groups. Their base rend on their weapons is -1, above the Plague Monks who need wound rolls of 6 to compete with that. Topping this off, in the hero phase each unit near them has a chance to take a mortal wound on the side. They also reroll all failed hits and battleshock outcomes as long as they hang close to a unit of Plague Monks, which in any smart list they'll have at least 2 or 3 units nearby. Falling Short No save, and unlike Plague Monks, no way of acquiring one. Furthermore, they're 60pts for 5 models, and that's 60pts that can be erased by merely average shooting. This is an elite unit that cannot withstand ANY level of pressure, so they need a stack of buffs to hit their full potential. Plaguelord's Verdict With the Verminlord Corruptor's command ability, the Plague Furnace's Rabid Fever and Bless with Filth, and maybe an enemy debuffed with Wither for good measure, these guys will literally EAT anything they go up against. A unit of 10 swinging for 40 attacks rerolling all of it's failed hit and wound rolls is going to blitz ANYTHING short of a 2+ save rerolling fails. Taken in the Plaguesmog Congregation they will be -1 to hit with shooting and putting out far more proximity mortal wounds in the hero phase. However without these buffs, they'll get swatted turn 1 or 2 and you'll lose your high cost point sink. Take them in a group of 10 and a group of 5 as part of a Plaguesmog for the extra artifact and command point or don't take them at all.
  10. Striding above the lesser rats as they charge screaming into battle is a monster the skaven fear more than any other. Verminlords are the truest incarnation of the Horned Rat, be they ascended champions rewarded for excellence, shards of the Horned Rat given form and function, or the hideous Lord Skreech Verminking, an abomination formed from the essence of the entire original Council of Thirteen. These entities lead the skaven, from the front and from the shadows, and of their number none are fouler than the Verminlord Corruptor. A Nurgle Daemon Unlike Any Other The Verminlord Corruptor is the centrepiece model of a Clan Pestilens army. As the only unit in the book with a command ability, if they're in the list they'll be the general. Before Pestilens recoeved alleigance abilities this guy didn't see much use, he was an awkward out of place model that simply cost too much. Now, with a point reduction and command traits and artifacts that bring him into line with the rest of the army this chittering monstrosity makes for a formidable leader indeed. Disease Strides the Battlefield The Corruptor is best played thematically. He stalks behind a line of plague monks, casting his command ability on them while casting mystic shield to preserve nearby Plague Furnaces and unleashes his unique Plague spell on anything close, or anything close to his nearby expendable and targetable swarm. He only fights in close combat when victory is assured, and given his game changing command ability is willing to expend every last rat to preserve his own well-being. Equipped with the Blistervious, the Living Cyst and bearing the Master of Rot and Ruin trait this potent support general will stay alive on the back field, casting prayers and spells to support his minions and dealing with any enterprising assassins foolish enough to come close. Points to Remember 12 wounds and a 4+ save is not that durable. If the Corruptor tries to trade blows with anything bigger than a support hero, he will lose. The idea of this mighty creature cutting down hated Allariele the Everqueen is pleasant, until her beetle takes him out in literally one round of combat. Prayers used by a Corruptor who has Master of Rot and Ruin or the Liber Bubonicus cannot trigger Great Plagues. Can't fathom why, but rules as written he doesn't. Don't try it. We might be scum skaven players, but we aren't cheats. His unique spell can be chained through your own troops to reach the enemy. Not always smart, but always funny when it goes off and causes the enemy even more casualties. Parting Shots (With a Prehensile Tail) I've begun the hard task of repainting my corruptor, shown here in his original, if somewhat rough glory, and halfway through his new paint job with lovely crystalline horns.
  11. When I first started playing tournaments I would usually finish on a comfortable 4 or 5 Major Defeats. This was happening to me because I wasn't just a new player, I was a bad player. Losing doesn't make you bad, but losing consistently and not taking steps to improve does. My first step to improving was to read my warscrolls. Not just read, but really dig in and memorize them (Clan Pestilens has about 6 warscrolls, so no excuse not to really). From there I constructed a small phase by phase flow chart to remind me of all the small rules that I would sometimes forget that culd have shifted the balance of a game, and as soon as i made this chart i went from an average of 1 Major Victory to 3 Major Victories almost overnight. This can be applied to any army, but I've posted below the flowchart I was following for the NZ Masters tournament last year (Adapted for AoS2) where until Round 4, i was one of the favorites to win the event (Fate is fickle, ****** you Tzeentch). Pestilens Turn Progression Hero Phase · Choose whether to spend command abilities (not advised in the first battle round, save them for turn 2 charges). · Use all prayers of all priests (If first battle round things won’t be in range of Pestilent Breath, however you can still do it targeting nowhere to potentially get The Neverplgaue great plague). · Cast spells with the Verminlord Corruptor. · Choose whether or not to use one-use only effects in the Plague Monk and Plague Priest warscrolls, ideally the Plague Monk tome that deals mortal wounds or the enemy debuffs from the scroll. · Check if any enemies are within range of proximity-based damage (Plague Furnace, Plague Censer Bearers). Movement · Plagueclaw Catapults can move without a penalty to its shooting. · Move Plague Monks and Censer Bearers forward, however if they cannot possibly make a successful charge stay out of enemy charge range or bubblewrap with Plague Monks that have the Rabid Fever prayer active. Shooting · Prioritise infantry blocks with good saves as the Plagueclaw target, or soften up targets about to be charged by your Plague Monks. · Verminlord has a shooting attack, it isn’t awful against low save units. Charge/Combat · Command points can be spent to reroll failed charges, so roll charges before spending the points. · Charge in groups of 2 or 3 units, avoid sending you entire army in in a single phase. Battleshock · Remember that Pestilens allegiance gives you 2 bravery for every 10 monks in a unit, not 1. · If you wish to use Inspiring Presence it has to be done before any battleshock rolls are made. If you play Pestilens, I recommend taking this and adapting it to the list you run. If you don't play Pestilens (Normies leave reeee) I recommend constructing one for your own army regardless of how good a player you are. It only takes one lapse of memory to lose a game.
  12. James McPherson

    Pestilens Thread, tactics, builds, advice

    I currently run an all Clan Pestilens list, and this is a thread to write down tactics, strategies and spread the dirt.
  13. Xanax Lot

    Let´s Talk Skyre

    Hi Guys just got my copy of the GH 2017, I am trying to get my head arround the what a very competitive Skyre Army could look like and therefore I thought It would be a good idea to talk it with the community to see which new combos we can have now!
  14. Dez

    Let's chat Skaven tactics

    I've been playing a lot of Skaven lately, and having an absolute blast. I love the diversity of the army, even staying within the keyword SKAVEN. I thought I'd start an index here, gathering thoughts on Skaven Units and overall synergy. So lets hear your feelings and experience. The Clans: Eshin - Ninjas! Moulder - Monstrous Beasts and Dr. Frankenstein tendencies Pestilens - Plagues and Filth and Bathrobes Skryre - A Knack for the Mechanical Verminus - Fighters and Warriors en masse...or at least the Rats in the front to prevent the cool toys from being destroyed Masterclan - Magic, Voodoo, Claw Wigglers Leaders: Skaven Assassin Verminlord Deceiver, Behemoth Packmaster Plague Furnace, Behemoth Plague Priest with Plague Censor Plague Priest with Warpstone-tipped Staff Verminlord Corruptor, Behemoth Arch Warlock Warlock Engineer Skaven Warlord Verminlord Warbringer, Behemoth Grey Seer Lord Skreech Verminkin, Behemoth Screaming Bell, Behemoth Thanquol and Boneripper, Behemoth Verminlord Warpseer, Behemoth Battleline: Clan Rats Artillery: Plagueclaw Warp Lighting Cannon Warplock Jezzails Behemoth: Hellpit Abomination Doomwheel Others Units: Gutter Runners Night Runners, Battleline Eshin Giant Rats, Battleline Moulder Rat Ogors Rat Swarms Plague Censor Bearers Plague Monks Ratling Gun Weapon Team Warp-grinder Weapon Team Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team Poisoned Wind Mortar Weapon Team Doom-flayer Weapon team Skryre Acolytes, Skryre Battleline Stormfiends, Skryre Battleline Stormvermin Battalions: Virulent Procession - Clan Pestilens Foulrain Congregation - Clan Pestilens Plaguesmog Congregation - Clan Pestilens Congregation of Filth - Clan Pestilens Clan Skryre - Skryre Other Synergistic Units: Sayl the Faithless
  15. Kraxriket

    Suggestion: United skaven battletome

    So i've been thinking about my favorite faction in the wake of the maggotkin and death battletomes which both do a great job of uniting the respective factions. I would personally love if Games workshop continued in this way with skaven, seeing as the faction has so many units that aren't really featured outside of the grand alliance chaos book. Skryre and pestilens have a spot, but having the different skaven clans work together and patch some of the weaknesses they currently suffer from (such as being a general footslog to play without comparable synergy to e.g. sylvaneth or seraphon armies which both have a smaller range of models but higher synergy between them due to a single unifying keyword. Imagine having the single unifying keyword be Skaven. You could implement interesting deepstrike mechanics like gnawholes to give the armies less of a footslog feel. Some warscrolls would be in need of a revamp, akin to the maggotkin book. Higher point costs for units with more oomph, such as doomwheels. You don't really need new models for this either. New terrain features could be cool, akin to the gnarlmaw. But the army has such a rich array of interesting models that you just need to get a book to unify them to spice them up and make them interesting again! Interesting spell lore books for the different clans would be really cool, giving bonuses to different styles of play without having to use just the models of one faction. I think this would And to open up for discussion, what do you think? Are there any other blocks that could have a unifying battletome? What would you like to see in a unified skaven battletome?
  16. I abandoned the original idea of playing Bloodbound to collect Skaven, as opening up their Uniforms & Heraldry book again kindled something nefarious deep inside of me... Of course, I'll still paint up my starter set Bloodbound and admire the minis. I've got 80 clanrats on the way, plus a few weapon teams and a warlock. They're going to keep me busy for quite a while, but so will deciding on a color scheme! I have a few clans in mind that I like the look and fluff of. Since my list is geared toward Verminus and Skryre, I could do with the majority of Warlord Clans and be fine. I'm not sure how many others are familiar with the book and the many clans it showcases, so I'll leave some examples here. I thought it' be fun to make a poll, although how much influence it has on my decision, I can't say for sure. Clan Rictus: An immensely wealthy Warlord clan, thanks to a large supply of Night Goblin slaves. They rival Mors in terms of wealth and both continually seek ways to outdo one-another. Their Warlord sits on the fifth seat of the Council of Thirteen. They are known for their black-furred Stormvermin, grim, violent and the cream of the crop of Skavendom. They favor black garb and armor, with white banners. Clan Mors: Essentially the strongest of the Warlord clans; their Warlord holds the second seat on the Council of Thirteen. They flaunt better quality equipment than other clans, owing their prestige to taking the Dwarf stronghold of Karak Eight Peaks. They favor red in their heraldry and garb. They frequently use Skaven of lesser clans to do their dirty work, and employ beasts of Moulder and weapons of Skryre. Clan Vrrtkin: A Thrall clan of Skryre since the Second Great Civil War. They specialize in exterminating rival clans, which they go about with Poisoned Wind Globardiers and Weapon Teams. As a result, their banners frequently depict green poison globes and warpfire on white fields, and they dress in green. Due to their obsession with poison globes, every Skaven in Vrrtkin treasures gas masks; these are in short supply and always go to the Warlords and Stormvermin first. Clanrats have to make do with broken remnants and bandages. The Warlord of Clan Skryre sits at the twelfth seat on the Council of Thirteen - the third most powerful, if one considers the Great Horned Rat on the Thirteenth. As thralls - extensions of the great clan, Vrrtkin have a lofty place on the totem pole. So there's my conundrum: choosing between three powerful, characterful clans with very different looks. I also like the Eshin thralls, although none of my lists have any Eshin keyword units!
  17. Riff_Raff_Rascal

    Ratnado - Skaven Shenanigans

    This is utterly ridiculous but I have a scheme. Thing-Things you need: Verminlord Deceiver, Screaming Bell, Balewind Vortex, X Skaven Assassins/Grey Seers Step 1: Skitterleap Screaming bell in their face. Ring the Bells of the great horned rat. You have fun whatever the result. Step 2: Scraming Bell attempts Summon Balewind Vortex. Dispelling be damned. Failing the spell be double dibley damned. But IF, successful rejoice. Step 3: At next combat reveal assassins FROM screaming bell. You heard me right, on top of the vortex. Next hero phase, skitterleap more wizards on top of it. Infinite Cosmic Powa!....with itty bitty living space. Tell me where I'm wrong. Have fun.
  18. Riff_Raff_Rascal

    Verminlord Corruptor - Plaguemaster

    Lets say I cast a verminlord's plague spell on orks with 2 wounds each. For each MODEL, roll a die, on a 6 the UNIT takes a mortal wound. It also has the potential to copy its effects to nearby ork units, also 2 wounds each. Lets say I do 3 mortal wounds to each unit and 1.5 orks die. Now, the verminlord also has a passive plaguemaster ability that says "if an enemy model suffers a wound from [him] but is not slain, roll a dice at the end of the turn. On a 2+ that model suffers a mortal wound". Will those orks with 1 wound left in each unit take another hit? Am I treating the spell's effects as another source of damage from the verminlord?
  19. excalibur

    Age of 40k a joke?

    Hey guys! So, I just got into AoS a while ago and I really like the hobby, so much so that some of my friends have taken notice. One of my best friends in particular expresses certain interest in the hobby, but is more interested in the 40k side of things. (Mainly because of Robots.) I have a sizeable Skaven force (Verminus/Skyre,) that I have hardly played with, but am still quite attached to. We would want to play against each other, so we could enjoy this awesome hobby with each other, but there are clear restrictions. I hear that there are AoS warscrolls for 40k armies, and looking into it for the Tau (my friend’s top choice right now,) there is a rule set for them. Obviously, close range Skaven against the Uber-shooty tau is a big difference, but would it work? Could it work? (Meaning 40k vs AoS in general.) He has yet to make a purchase, but would like to get to some painting. Are Tau even viable right now? Should I try to convince him differently? (Maybe to the AoS side?) but, as it goes without saying, it’s his purchases, so right now I’m just telling him what he might want to get. Should I even bother with the 40k warscrolls? Any thoughts welcome! Thanks a ton!
  20. fiZZycoke

    Competitive Skyre list??

    Hello all, I've been trying to make a skaven clan skyre list work for a few weeks now, it seems to do well in a straight up fight but in objective based scenarios it is much more difficult. I'm getting this army ready for a 2 day tournament in November (2400pts) check out my list and let me know what you think, any advice would be awesome. Alternatively I've made a "skaven" list along the same lines as well. Heroes Unit Type Points Arch-Warlock Leader 140 Warlock Engineer Leader 100 Warlock Engineer Leader 100 Battline 3 x Stormfiends Battleline 300 Warpfire Projectors 3 x Stormfiends Battleline 300 Warpfire Projectors 3 x Stormfiends Battleline 300 2 x Shock Guantlets 1 x Grinderfists 3 x Stormfiends Battleline 300 2 x Shock Guantlets 1 x Grinderfists Artillery Warplightning Cannon Artilery 180 Warplightning Cannon Artilery 180 Other units 1 x Warpfire Thrower 60 1 x Warpfire Thrower 60 1 x Warpfire Thrower 60 1 x Warpgrinder 100 Formations Clan Skyre 200 Gautfyre Skorch Arkhspark Voltik Arch-Warlock 2380 Or list 2.. Heroes Unit Type Points Thanquol & Boneripper Leader 500 Behemoth Unique Skaven Cheiften with Battle Standard Leader 140 Crown of Conquest Plague Priest with Plague Censer Leader 80 Packmaster Leader 60 Packmaster Leader 60 Battline 10 x Clanrats Battleline 60 10 x Clanrats Battleline 60 30 x Clanrats Battleline 180 3 x Stormfiends 300 Warpfire Projectors 6 x Stormfiends 600 2 x Grinderfist 4 x Shock Gauntlets Artillery Warplightning Cannon Artilery 180 Warplightning Cannon Artilery 180 2400 Again any advice on the lists would be appreciated -fizzycoke
  21. Ahemme

    Skaven list - inputs welcome

    Hello everyone! I recently took a trip down memory lane, and started looking at Warhammer miniatures again. I quickly decided that i wanted to paint some again, and came back from my local Warhammer store with 3 Stormfiends, an Arch-Warlock and 20 Plague Monks. The Stormfiends and the Arch-Warlock looked too cool to not buy them, and i figured i needed a battleline unit to practice on, to get my painting skills going again. Now, i've really enjoyed painting the units i already bought, and i'm almost done with them. So i'm looking to expand my army a bit. But only after i'd bought the units, i found out that Skaven is not an alliance/allegiance/whatever you wanna call in itself, Since i'm still mostly in this for the painting, i'm not looking to focus on one Skaven clan, as the different clans have too many cool units to be ignored. But i'm probably going to want to play with my army at some point, so i've started to look into what might work as a 1500 points Skaven army. Here's my suggestion: Verminlord Deceiver (320) Arch Warlock (140) Skaven Warlord (100) Packmaster (80) Clanrats - 3 units of 20 (360) Stormfiends (With Warpfire, Shock Gauntlet and Grinderfists) (300) Warp Lightning Cannon (180) 1480 points total So i of course included the units i've already bought - Stormfiends and the Arch Warlock. As far as i can tell, most people agree that they're pretty strong units. I haven't included the plague monks, because i can't use them as battleline, so i had to include the three units of clanrats. Although i'm a little unsure if i really need three battlelines for a 1500 point army, or only two? Anyway, i was thinking i could use the warlord as my general to buff up the Clanrats, and the packmaster to buff up the Stormfiends, to get the most out of the Shock Gauntlets and ginderfists. Besides that, i'm thinking theres a decent amount of mortal wounds, pretty good mobility, and a shitload of clanrats as meatshield. What do you all think? Is this list complete garbage, or would it be viable for "for-fun" games? (Bear in mind, half this list is because i pretty much wanna paint the models, so i'm not thinking viable for tournaments and the like).
  22. I have a question about the Rat Swarms ability, Endless Tide of Rats, "In each of your hero phases you can add one extra Rat Swarm model to this unit." Q1. Do I need prepare reinforcement point for this? The rat swarms are cost 60pts per 2 model, how can I count if I only add one model? Q2. Can I add the extra Rat Swarm model in my first hero phases (It will let my unit with 2 swarms (60pts) become a unit with 3 swarms (still 60pts)? or I can only add extra model after I lose a model?
  23. Terry Pike

    Chaos Shooting units - Updated 12/10/16

    Updated 12-10-2016! I have also added in "Terry's Meta Picks for Chaos Shooting!" So here are my thoughts and views on chaos shooting, what I think is currently "hot or not" on the tournament scene. The current hotness in shooting Chaos in general is anything with the Clan Skryre keyword. A pair of Warp Lightning Cannons is a very popular choice to fill the shooting gap in some close combat armies and allows them to reach out and kill buffing characters. Stormfiends are all the rage at the moment nearly always equipped with Warpfire Projectors and more often than not fielded in the Clan Skryre Coven that allows them to appear anywhere on the board. My list of shooting units is in a rough order of what's being fielded at events right now and potential strength. Green: Hot right now / Orange: Some presence at events / Red: Rarely seen Stormfiends - Warpfire Projectors - Very popular right now, very reliable high burst mortal wound output Warp Lightning Cannons - As above, reliable mortal wound output, great value Skaven Weapons Teams - Make up part of the Skryre tunnelling formation, lots of these knocking around Warplock Jezzails - Being seen a bit more now with the "Lord of War" command trait Flamers of Tzeentch - Being seen less and less, still have a space in mono lists Soul Grinders - Seen a bit less now they got hiked up in price in the Generals Handbook Plagueclaw Catapult - Were used quite a lot during SCGT and pre Generals Handbook, may make a comeback in the horde meta Skull Cannons - Still useful in mono-Khorne, sadly doesn't even compete with Warp Lightning Cannons for points cost Hellcannons - Great long range, but the crew are easily removed making it a very expensive investment Burning Chariot of Tzeentch Pink Horrors of Tzeentch Infernal Guard Fireglaives Iron Daemon War Engine Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher Magma Cannon - I'm going to give a pair of these a run out in upcoming events, has great unexplored potential Dreadquake Mortar In-depth comparisons and descriptions of Chaos shooting units The units below are described in this order for ease of finding them! Flamers of Tzeentch Burning Chariot of Tzeentch Pink Horrors of Tzeentch Soul Grinders Skull Cannons Hellcannons Warplock Jezzails Warp Lightning Cannons Plagueclaw Catapult Stormfiends - Various options Skaven Weapons Teams Infernal Guard Fireglaives Iron Daemon War Engine Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher Magma Cannon Dreadquake Mortar Flamers of Tzeentch : 200pts / unit size: 3-12 / points per model: 66 / wounds per model: 2 A fast moving and flying unit with the standard 18" shooting range. Against large units of low armoured 1 wound models these can do a significant amount of damage when concentrating fire with 3-6 Flamers. The D3 damage per shot and possible extra D3 mortal wounds at the end of the shooting phase can lead to a somewhat large Battleshock test which could wipe out an entire unit in one go. I've also had good use in summoning them 18" away from a Lord of Change giving them an effective 36" (can get to 40+" using a spaced out summoning line) shooting range for sniping out a very important buffing wizard on turn 1. These targets usually have a weaker save and 5-7 wounds which is ideal for Flamers as they do struggle when it come to killing models with a 2+/3+ save. I think the best strength the Flamers have to offer is the increased shooting range via summoning, which as I said above allows for those far in opponent deployment zone killing very early in the game. This can then be furthered utilised by flying the Lord of Change 10" up behind the Flamers keeping them in range of 9" of the Flamers to make use of the Locus of Transmogrification, so when they do start being removed you at least have a chance to roll those 6's and keep the unit healthier a bit longer. The 18" summon range is also complemented nicely by Mystic Shielding them on arrival to bring them up to a 4+ save which makes a huge difference. If you can summon them in cover for the 3+ save and keep the Locus of Transmogrification buff running you end up with a seriously threatening unit that will have to be dealt with pretty quickly. I used 6 Flamers in pretty much every list I ran at AoS tournaments for the first 8 months or so then dropped down to 3 and now have completely replaced them with that I believe are more optimal shooting units. I summoned them for the increased shooting range in most games and they were my go to unit for shooting until the Chaos Grand Alliance became usable and more shooting options opened up. If you are running mono Tzeentch or want to stick to mono Daemons they are your only real option for reliable shooting and a long ranged threat due to no Tzeentch artillery/warmachines (Soul Grinder sort of fills this role but at a shorter range). They effectively become your long range warmachine when used in the summoning method described above for that sweet 40"+ range. At 120-160 points I would consider these an optimal shooting choice. However at 200pts a unit for 6 wounds, they come in very expensive at 66pts a model. I've also listed the D3 damage part under cons as for the premium points you pay the damage is just to random and inconsistent to be as high costed as it is. I realise that Tzeentch is meant to be fickle and potentially healing your target for D3 wounds is still a risk you have to consider. In general I'm not a fan of D3 damage as I would rather know roughly how much damage I should be doing and as it always seem to happen if my opponent hits me 5 lots of D3 im taking 12-15 wounds, whereas if I shoot them with the same I'm doing 5-6 wounds! Pros: Fast, flying, small footprint, small model for hiding, has good damage potential, can achieve very long range with summoning, easily fits in terrain Cons: low basic save of 5+, only 2 wounds, expensive cost per model, out classed by other available shooting options, inconsistent damage with D3 rolls Burning Chariot of Tzeentch : 160pts / unit size: 1-3 / wounds per model: 6 Makes sense to do these right after the Flamers as they are essentially the same shooting attack with a different number of shots. The thing that makes the shooting attack different is the wording of the Warpflame effect that happens at the end of the shooting phase. The Flamers special rule only works once per target unit regardless of how many different Flamer units shoot at them. The Warpflame effect from the chariot works slightly differently because you make a warpflame test for each chariot that causes wounds, so a unit of 3 chariots or 3 separate chariots could do 3xD3 mortal wounds to the same target at the end of the phase (assuming each chariot scores a successful wound), which could be a nice chunk of damage and finish off the target. Similar to the Flamers the chariot has the fly ability and a slightly longer move of 14" giving it a 32" range without summoning (about 40" if summoned). The extra rules it has aren't related to shooting but its worth giving the Wake of Fire a mention as it can be used to pop a few more mortal wounds onto 1 unit it moves over, this can also be triggered by moving over a unit during a retreat move. If we consider the cost of a Flamer at 66pts then the chariots fire power costs 132pts with an additional 2 wounds and a bit of extra movement for 28pts. You also get some decent combat stats included with the Lamprey Bites from the Screamers pulling the chariot. One advantage the chariot has over the Flamers is taking damage, even at 5/6 wounds taken you are still putting out the full damage potential, where as the 6 wound unit of Flamers would be down to only 3 shots (4 if the champ is left). This obviously comes at a trade off that you are on a much larger footprint so won't be able to position as easily, can be attacked by more models in combat and would be harder to fully fit in terrain. So points wise these are actually a decent choice overall in a Tzeentch based army, especially if you are taking advantage of Tzeentch allegiance and are using them as your Battleline requirement. But in doing so you are limiting yourself to number of bodies on the table if you are also taking units such as Flamers, Lords of Change etc. Its worth noting as well that as these can be fielded in units of up to 3, you can focus your buffs / abilities on multiple models at the same time. Mystic Shield has pretty good value when all 3 chariots are increased to a 4+ save. The Lord of War trait giving the whole unit +1 to hit would make for some pretty nasty shooting, this of course can be used on any of the units in this discussion and would work even better on a unit of 9 Flamers for example. Pros: Fast, flying, retains full damage output until killed, can be fielded in units for buffing potential, has some okay combat stats, can be made Battleline Cons: basic save of 5+ means those 6 wounds won't last to long, large footprint Pink Horrors of Tzeentch: 140pts / unit size: 10-30 / points per model: 14 / wounds per model: 1 The staple Battleline unit in a Tzeentch army... or is it? With the recent introduction of the Three Rules of One Horrors have lost a bit of there appeal. Horror units were great for multiple Mystic shields and Arcane Bolts which made them much more of a firing platform and utility piece. They have the most basic of shooting with 4's to hit and wound, no rend, 1 shot and 1 damage each. The 18" inch range is okay for a standard missile weapon, but its about as basic as it gets with no way to buff the damage output without the use of a formation I believe is in the Everchosen Battletome (I'll check this after work). The unit does benefit from the awesome Chaos Icon rule for taking Battleshock tests and replenishing D6 models on the roll of a 1. If you are taking casting based heroes such as Kairos / Lord of Change / Heralds / Scribes then you probably won't ever be casting with the horrors, making them a poor choice when it comes to points invested in the unit. However if you are taking combat heroes such as Bloodthirsters that don't actually have access to magic you may want to put Horrors in your core as an alternative. The cap on Leaders has actually given Horrors a place in a competitive list if you are going down this route and allows you to spend the precious Leader slots on the stuff you may really want to take without having to completely lose out on some use of Arcane Bolt / Mystic Shield. So far Horrors haven't made it into the mountain of new lists I've been making the last few months as the Wizard heroes available to Chaos are to powerful to ignore. With the other powerful shooting outlined in this thread it also makes the shooting Horrors have a pointless investment and so every time are being shunned for Plaguebearers which are one of the strongest point for point Battleline units Chaos have access to. Pros: Access to spells outside of Leader slots, Chaos Icon for survivability, Battleline Wizard Cons: Rule of 1 takes away a lot of their appeal, much better Battleline options available to Chaos making them a non-optimal choice Soul Grinder: 280pts / unit size: 1 / wounds per model: 16 I would class this as more of a combat monster that has some additional shooting, however the shooting is pretty good, the model is quite survivable and it can run and shoot giving it a quite a long reach. So starting out with a move of 12" and the ability to run and shoot you could potentially be getting an effective range of 34" on the Harvester Cannon and 38" on the Phlegm Bombardment. At best the Harvester Cannon can offer D6 shots with rend 1 damage 1, not amazing and a bit to random to rely on. The Phlegm Bombardment is a decent single shot rend 2 damage 3, which can be useful for killing off a couple of models with a good armour save or a few wounds on a monster to drop its stats down a bit before you engage it in combat. If you are looking for units to include in your army for shooting, this is not a good option. If you are looking for a sturdy combat monster with a couple of pokey shots to chip a few wounds here and there its a solid choice. Nurgle/Khorne Soulgrinders are especially good when used in combination with Epidemius(Nurgle) or Run/Charge Bloodthirster Buffs(Khorne). Maybe I'll revisit these in a combat focused discussion as they fit nicely into that style of list. Pros: Can run and shoot, good save and high wounds, fast, also great in combat when they get stuck in, pretty solid value for points invested Cons: Limited shooting, not really a good choice in a shooting based army with access to proper Artillery, loses damage output as it gets wounded Skull Cannons: 180pts / unit size: 1-3 / wounds per model: 7 For any listeners of the FaceHammer podcast you'll know I have a love/hate relationship with Skull Cannons swearing I'll never use them again and they are rubbish, followed by me using them at an event a few weeks later giving them a high five on how awesome they are. Unfortunately they have now been relegated to the "absolute rubbish" section of list building and I could only see them being used in a Mono Khorne allegiance. More on this shortly. So its a standard cannon in regards to rend 2 and damage D6, it hits and wounds on 3's but gets +1 to hit if you are targeting 10 or more models, unfortunately its only a single shot, however it is quite mobile with move 8", has 7 wounds and some decent close combat attacks and more importantly an attack that lets you fire the cannon again at the end of the combat phase if it successfully wounds during the combat phase. In the 80 odd games of using Skull Cannons I can only ever recall firing the cannon from combat using this special bite attack maybe 5 times and only 2 of those times did I actually roll a hit with it. Looks amazing on paper, but it just never does what you imagine its going to. I'm sure other people have some great stories with it, I just haven't had the luck! The release of the Generals handbook unfortunately made Skull Cannons a bit worse by tagging them as Artillery (they don't have the Warmachine keyword). Which now means they take up a slot of the 4 Artillery pieces allowed and with them costing the same as Warp Lightning Cannons and Plagueclaw Catapults I don't think they will have a space in a competitive army as you would always take the other 2 as they are just much better at being Artillery than the Skull Cannon could ever be. The only saving factor the Skull Cannon has is the ability to be fielded in units of 3 similar to the Burning Chariot meaning you can efficiently buff all 3 with +1 to hit rolls or re-rolls of 1 to hit from Chaos Sorcerers. If you want to kill units the Plagueclaw is much better suited and if you want to kill single targets / high armour save units you would take the Warp Lightning Cannon. Pros: Can be taken in units for efficient buffing, 4+ save and decent number of wounds, long threat range with move 7" Cons: Same cost as other better Artillery choices making it a bit of a pointless unit entry now Hellcannon: 300pts / unit size: 1 / wounds per model: 7 (10 total with crew) So this thing was removed from the tournament scene about 5 months into AoS with the introduction of "Legacy" in the South Coast Grand Tournament pool system and pack. It caused people a lot of grief and most people were glad to see it gone. Its now pointed and able to be used under matched play (assuming the event you are attending allows Compendium unit choices) so I'm sure we'll see a few of knocking around again soon! So why do people hate seeing them on the table? The reason for the hate the Hellcannon receives is pretty straight forward. It has a 48" range which when positioned central in your deployment zone on a 6x4' table it can reach any point on the board and what makes it even better is it requires no line of sight to actually target something. Further more hitting something you can't see doesn't make the shot any more likely to miss The Doomfire shot hits on a 4+ and does D6 mortal wounds when it hits, this is incredibly strong as you are removing the wound roll step giving you one less dice roll to fail on. If the Hellcannon doesn't move in the previous movement phase it gets +1 to hit, bringing it to a 3+, and now with the Lord of War Chaos command trait you can give it a further +1 to hit, this combo's really well with a Chaos Sorcerer and Demonic Power allowing it to re-roll ones. The could quite happily make the Sorcerer your general and hide him behind the hell cannon buffing it all game long. Which may seem an expensive points investment, but when you are doing 2D6 mortal wounds on target anywhere on the board its points well spent. 2D6 you say? Yes it fires twice a turn if it has 2-3 crew available. The machine itself also has a 4+ save and crew have a 4+ save while within 1" of the Hellcannon. The crew are the Hellcannons weakness as they are required to fire the machine. They can be hidden behind the Hellcannon to help reduce being shot. The Hellcannon also has to pass a Caged Fury test at the start of the your movement phase, failing on a 1 at full crew and getting 1 worse each time a crew member dies. Failing this test makes you move towards the nearest enemy unit, which will lose you your +1 to hit for not moving. The Hellcannon is not actually bad in combat so can defend itself against quicker units that can reach it very early on in the game (Seekers/Prosecutors etc). The easiest way to deal with a Hellcannon is having something that can kill the crew as early as possible in the game, you can target the crew separately meaning you only have to do 3 wounds against a 4+ save to make it unable to fire, killing 2 of the crew halves its damage output to 1 shot a turn. The Hellcannon also has a minimum range of 12" so once you are in range its only the crew (and the rest of the their army!) and the Hellcannon melee attacks you have to worry about. Pros: No line of sight required, massive 48" range, huge damage potential, causes mortal wounds, doesn't require a roll to wound, very survivable machine Cons: While the machine is survivable the crew not so much, minimum range of 12", quite expensive at 300pts Warplock Jezzails: 140pts / unit size: 3-12 / points per model: 46 / wounds per model: 2 Right time for some Skaven shooty goodness. At a lowish points cost a unit or two of Jezzails can offer any Chaos list a nice boost for its shooting. Their long range of 30" means they can often impact the game from turn 1, however they do need to be deployed correctly to avoid having to move them which will remove the re-roll 1's for shooting and the 4+ save from shooting attacks. Set up in a piece of terrain these guys will gave a solid 3+ save making them hard to shift without high rend, more wounds or close combat. Rolling a 6 or more to hit replace the normal wound roll with 2 mortal wounds, removing the need for a wound roll is a pretty big deal as I mentioned above in the Hellcannon summary, the less time you have to roll, the less chance of failing! So even if you don't roll the 6 or more, the shot is wounding on 3's and is rend -2 and damage 2, amazing for sniping off those 5+ save wizards or even thinning out units of Saurus that ignore rend -1. The new boost these units can a huge benefit from is the Lord of War command trait which gives them +1 to hit. This increases their hit roll to 3+ and the special damage shot to 5+, this can further be boosted by Damned Terrain (although a bit risky as you will most likely kill a Jezzail and cause a Battleshock test, which you certainly don't want. To get full value out of the Jezzails you may want to put them in a unit of 6 or more to efficiently buff them, however this can lead to some pretty shaky Battleshock tests if you lose a few to shooting/spells, bravery 4 is dangerously low! The unit is fairly costed in risk vs reward, the damage output has good potential and they can be quite survivable when deployed correctly. The biggest drawback to this unit however is the introduction of the "Artillery" tag/keyword in the Generals Handbook. A unit of 3 of these takes up one of Artillery slot, which is quite an investment seeing as this would limit the number of real artillery pieces you could take in your list. You could still take 2 units of these guys and 2 Warp Lightning Cannons for example, so its not all bad and is probably for the best as they are quite cheap, they could easily be spammed and make for super gun-line style lists. Pros: decent points cost, long range of 30", very high damage potential, great save in terrain, rend of -2, smallish foot print in units of 3-6 Cons: very low bravery meaning you could lose the entire unit with only a few casualties, artillery tagged meaning less real warmachines in a list Warp Lightning Cannon: 180pts / unit size: 1 / wounds per model: 6 Now we're starting to get into the cream of the Chaos shooting. This tasty cannon has a shortest range of the warmachines available to chaos (excluding the Magma Cannon 16/24" with the nearby Daemonsmith) coming in at 24" with a 3" move giving it a decent range, but something you can play around and stay away from if you are worried about being shot by one. No separate crew for this and a good amount of wounds meaning its unlikely to killed off by a single shot. It also gains +1 to its save roll in the shooting phase giving it a 4+, great sat in terrain for a 3+. Its fairly weak in combat, so this is something you should avoid doing! It can also never make a charge move. It has a very unique shooting attack as it neither rolls to hit or to wound so cannot be buffed with any modifiers (however dice re-rolls or adjusters like Kairos can be used on it). The shot requires line of site as it follows the normal rules for picking a target. You start by rolling a D6 and this determines the 'Strength' of the shot, next you roll 6 more dice and any dice roll that equals or beats the first dice roll scores a mortal wound. Rolling a 1 automatically does 6 mortal wounds without the need to roll the 6 dice, as you can't fail to roll a 1 or more! As this is a unique attack it is not affected by the Three Rules of One. When combined with Kairos (Kairos changes the dice roll to a 1 using his ability) this shooting attack can be very powerful and used to guarantee killing a 6 or less wound hero that may be holding an objective or providing some Locus/Aura buff and needs to gotten rid of as soon as possible. The key selling factor of this unit for me is the absence of the hit and wound roll. This means even if you roll poorly on the first roll of the shot and get 6, you should still do at least 1 wound, making it reliable for cleaning up units/heroes with few wounds left. This is why I would always take a Warp Lightning Cannon over a Skull Cannon if I had the option, as over the course of a game you are more likely to score successful damage every turn and some turns do pretty hefty damage. Pros: Reliable mortal wounds, decent range, high damage potential, not over-costed, no to hit or wound roll Cons: Aside from a slightly shorter range than other warmachines there really isn't anything negative about it I can think of right now Plagueclaw Catapult: 180pts / unit size: 1 / wounds per model: 6 The Plagueclaw has been one of my favourite choices in Chaos after all the factions were opened up in tournament play allowing me to use 1-2 of these with my Nurgle Daemons. It shares some similar rules with the Warp Lightning Cannon in that it can never make a charge move and gains +1 save against shooting attacks. It has an extra rule called Arcing Shot which allows it to hit units that it has no line of sight to. It has a bit of a strange range of 31", the only reason I can see for this is its 13 (number of Skaven) backwards, otherwise its just an odd amount. The Plaueclaw fires a single shot hitting and wounding on 3's with the standard cannon damage of rend -2 and D6 damage. The shot gains +1 to hit of you are targeting more than 10 models, which is slightly different to most other warmachines which gain benefits from targeting 10 or more models. If you successfully score a wound the damage is increased to 2D6 instead of 1D6 if the unit contains more than 10 models. The strength and true value of this model is unlocked by utilising the Nurgle keyword it has. Plagueclaws combo nicely with Epidemius by filling up his tally very quickly and early on in the game by bombing large units of single wound infantry. This then further buffs the Plagueclaws by giving them re-roll 1's to hit and wound and +1 save. Pros: very strong Nurgle synergy, no line of sight required, long range, high damage potential, not over-costed, great at wiping out horde armies Cons: outclassed by the Warp Lightning Cannon for single targets but otherwise a solid artillery slot choice Stormfiends - Warpfire Projectors: 300pts / unit size: 3-9 / points per model: 100 / wounds per model: 6 So at 300 points for a unit of 3 you may be thinking these are really expensive, however with a 4+ save and 6 wounds a model you really are just paying for a small unit of heroes. The Warpfire Projectors have a limited range of 8" but the lack of range is more than compensated by the raw damage output of 2D3 mortal wounds per Stormfiend. There is no hit or wound roll, so you will always be outputting damage (unless they are getting those dirty mortal wound saves!). A unit of 3 is going to do between 6 and 18 moral wounds, this backed up by a couple of Warp Lightning Cannons is going to delete units with minimal effort. They have a decent move of 6" and a not so awful bravery of 6, which can be an issue if you are taking Stormfiends in units of 6 and take a few casualties in one round. The limited range and combined move gives the Warpfire Projectors a threat range of 14" which is still strong but can be overcome in a number ways. Putting a Stormfiend with a Grinderfist in the unit allows them to tunnel in and appear anywhere on the battlefield as long as they are more than 9" away from an enemy unit. But as they cannot move they won't be in range to fire the turn they arrive. The Warp Grinder Weapons Team can also be used to place a Stormfiend unit closer up the battlefield, again though this is limited to 9" away from enemy units. There is another option using a Skryre formation which allows the units top pop up 3" away from enemy models (can be within 3" but you take damage on your own units) and start firing right away. This is quite a costly formation to build, but the damage it can output is amazing and if you get a double turn off as well and get 2 rounds of shooting the formation is a worthy investment. Another option is to use spells/abilities that can alter your move characteristic, such as Sayl the Faithless who can give the Stormfiends move 18" and fly from his spell. This gives them a 26" threat range and believe me, the threat is very real! As the models have no buffable stats when it comes to shooting (number of shots, hit and wound roll), they are a very strong choice and to my knowledge there is currently nothing in the game than can de-buff their shooting. Stormfiends are also Battleline if you have Skryre allegiance meaning you can take an entire army of them, while this wouldn't be a very efficient army or probably do all that well in a competitive environment it could still be a lot of fun and really give your opponent something to worry about. 18 Stormfiends in a 2000 point list is no laughing matter! That's 108 wounds assuming none of them have the wound upgrade from close combat weapons! Pros: no hit or wound rolls, huge damage potential, tanky unit with a 4+ save, decent move of 6", options for ambushing, still decent in combat with damage 2 melee attacks Cons: expensive investment if you can't minimise the short range drawback, shaky bravery tests Stormfiends - Ratling Cannons: 300pts / unit size: 3-9 / points per model: 100 / wounds per model: 6 Lots of people have these built from back in the days of 8th edition where the Ratling Cannon was the premium choice of wrecking face. Now however they have been toned down a fair amount and provide a high volume of reasonably low strength damage output. 3D6 shots is just so random giving you anything from 3-18 shots per Stormfiend. The rend -1 and damage of 1 is okay but nothing to be really be worried about if you are on the receiving end. The have a relatively short range of 12" which is only a small increase over the 8" of the Warpfire Projectors. With 4's to hit and wound on the average number of shots you're likely to score around 5 wounds which then get a save at -1. Overall probably only a couple of wounds per model caused. As Warpfire Projectors are costed the same, have a much higher chance of damage and are not effected by any shooting debuffs such as negative modifiers to hit, I just don't see a reason to ever take Ratling Cannons in the current state of the game. The one advantage they do have over Warpfire Projectors is the ability to shoot the turn the ambush 9" away from an enemy unit. Even stacking to hit and wound buffs on the unit won't really bring them up to the same level as Warpfire Projectors so for me these will probably never be a viable option. Pros: Potential high volume of fire, can shoot the turn the ambush 9" away, good at killing large low save units Cons: Warpfire Projectors exist and do much a better job Stormfiends - Windlaunchers: 300pts / unit size: 3-9 / points per model: 100 / wounds per model: 6 I keep looking at these thinking they could have some awesome uses, but always end up back with more Warpfire Projectors! The range of 16" is pretty good so you'll probably be hitting stuff a turn sooner than you would with Warpfire Projectors or Ratling Cannons. They also require no line of sight to hit their target and gain +1 to hit units of 10 or more models. With the Generals Handbook requiring larger units and more bodies on the table for objective control these could end up being a viable option for just sitting back and clearing off objectives all game long. I then look back at the potential damage output of a Windlauncher and at its best you roll 2 successful hits, 2 successful wounds and your opponent fails both saves at rend -2 you are left with between 2 and 6 damage. This could have been achieved by the Warpfire Projectors without rolling to hit or wound and ignoring the opponents save roll. Like the Ratling Cannon the Windlauncher is quite situational when it comes to achieving a solid roll in an army list, when you don't know what your opponent will be running you're safest option is to probably ignore both and just opt for more Warpfire Projectors! Pros: High potential damage output of 6 damage per model, longest range of the Stormfiend options giving a threat range of 22", no line of sight required Cons: As with the Ratling Cannon, the existence of the Warpfire Projector just makes everything else a non optimal choice Poisoned Wind Mortar Weapon Team: 60pts / unit size: 1 / wounds per model: 3 A lesser scene unit in Chaos lists, but has the potential for some really nice gap filling when rounding out a list. A single shot each with a 4+ 4+ to hit and wound, rend of -2 and damage D6 sounds pretty good and is essentially a 22" range cannon equivalent. +1 to hit when shooting at 10 or more models and even better still the damage changes to 6 instead of D6 when you are shooting at 20 or more models. In the current state of the game and body spamming on the table, these could actually offer some pretty good chaff clearing and make a dent in those 40 man Savage Orruk units. You can pump the range to 30" by passing a risk test of 2+ or take D3 wounds, but with 22" range and a 6" move they do have a very nice 28" range reach. They also require no line of sight so can happily sit in an invisible spot to your opponent and lob fire power over at them all game long. Stick a few near your general with the +1 to hit order buff and rain poison down on those dirty Stormcast! These don't count as artillery and you can also get 3 of these for the same price as a single Skull Cannon... just saying. Pros: No line of sight required, rend -2 and damage D6, cheap, smallish footprint, does not count towards artillery allowance, 28" threat range Cons: 6+ save and 3 wounds each (although this can be negated by hiding them!) Warpfire Thrower Team: 60pts / unit size: 1 / wounds per model: 3 These are currently making a big appearance on the UK tournament scene in the infamous "Skryre net list". The are super cheap at 60pts a piece for the damage output they can cause and make up one of the most powerful formations currently usable at events. Similar to the Stormfiends Warpfire Projector they have an 8" range, do not roll to hit or wound and cause mortal wounds. While only D3 on the basic shot they can be boosted to D6 damage by passing a risk test of 2+, failing this causes D3 wounds to the firing unit. The limited range is negated by either the horrific "Skryre Coven" or using Warpgrinder teams to get them up the table at a quicker rate. I don't think you'll see many of these outside of the Coven lists as they do require further points investment to make them optimal. Pros: High mortal wound potential, cheap filler unit, smallish footprint for sneaking around Cons: 6+ save and 3 wounds, very short range without investing in a carrier unit or formation Ratling Gun Weapon Team: 80pts / unit size: 1 / wounds per model: 3 Not a bad little unit at 80pts for 18" range of 2D6 shots, capable of boosting to 4D6 shots on the same 2+ risk roll the other Skaven weapons teams have. These could be nice little filler units if you find yourself with 160pts left over and are lacking high output low damage shooting. They also get +1 to hit when they are 9" of their target, which works out nicely if they are sitting behind a tankier unit and just shooting into combat. With a sideboard event these could be quite a nice option in case you end up fighting hordes of low save infantry. As with all the weapons teams they are low on wounds and only have a 6+ save and would be easily picked off by a unit of Judicators. Pros: Decent threat range of 24", very high damage potential against lightly armoured models Cons: 6+ save and 3 wounds each, potential for no damage output when rolling to generate number of shots Infernal Guard Fireglaives: 100pts / unit size: 10-40 / wounds per model: 1 I really like the value of 10 of these with a 4+ save for 100pts, then I remember that Savage Orruks are also 100pts for twice as many wounds and it makes me a bit sad Yes I know these guys have a 4+ save are are always rend -1 but still it leaves a bitterness behind! They can be Battleline which is great, but only in a mono Chaos Dwarf army, which is cool if you are going that route, but with how big the Chaos Alliance is its really nice to mix and match. They also get to re-roll saves of 1 against shooting attacks which is a pretty decent basic ability to have. The unit can be further buffed by an Infernal Guard Battle Standard being planted which allows them to re-roll wound rolls against Order & Destruction (who are both very popular right now!). The Castellan can also be used to buff the unit and give them +1 to wound against a targeted unit using his command ability. If the unit contains 10 or models they also get to fire twice against units with the Monster keyword. Its also worth noting that rolling a 6 on the wound roll inflicts double damage (2), this cannot be modified however with +1 to wound as it just a 6 that triggers this and not a 6 or more. As a stand alone unit they are reasonably priced at 100pts, however to get full value out of them they would need to be part of a Chaos Dwarf army, as adding in the characters to buff them would end up quite expensive and you would probably be better off with just adding a Chaos Sorcerer Lord instead for the re-roll 1's Daemonic Power spell. They have an okay threat range of 20" and are reasonably tanky and could quite easily hold an objective in or near terrain while shooting at advancing units. Pros: reasonably pointed, good save of 4+ re-rolling 1's against shooting, basic rend of -1, optional Battleline, decent threat range of 20" Cons: true value not unlocked without relevant Heroes buffing them, low bravery, slow movement 4", other better options available Iron Deamon War Engine: 200pts / unit size: 1 / wounds per model: 11 I added this one in here for completeness or the Chaos Dwarf shooting available, unfortunately I just can't see anything good about it. The only thing is really has going for it is a 4+ save and 11 wounds. That's really all it has to offer though. It has 3 lots of random rolls to contend with, random move, random number of shots and random number of attacks in combat. At 200pts this thing is honestly rubbish. It can be used to move the other artillery pieces I'll be talking about next, which is situational at best, most of them have a very long shooting range anyway so it's not really that useful unless you are trying to drag a Magma Cannon into range of something further up the table. Even if this thing gets maximum move, maximum shots and maximum attacks in close combat its still to expensive to justify putting it in a list. A Soul Grinder is 280pts and soooo much better value than this at 200! Pros: Honestly I just can't see anything good about this Warscroll Cons: Random, Random, Random - to much randomness to pay good points for. Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher: 120pts / unit size: 1 / wounds per model: 6 On my first glance of this some time ago I dismissed it as not being all that good, now it has points and appears to be quite cheap it looks like a good shooting option to slot in to most lists lacking in some shooting. 36" range with a 3" move gives it a great threat range, it sports a 4+ save which is 3+ against shooting, also great! More importantly it has no crew and 6 wounds, meaning you can't snipe the crew off, putting it in the good artillery category with the Warp Lightning Cannon! It also does not require line of sight, so all very good so far. You get to re-roll wound rolls of 1 against units with 10 or more models and any unit that has a model slain by a rocket attack is at -1 Bravery until the start of your next hero phase meaning that if its going into their turn they will still be at -1. The Deathshrieker also gains +1 to hit with shooting if any Daemonsmith model is within 3" at the start of the shooting phase. Everything so far is amazing value for a 120pt artillery piece, the lacking part where the unit falls down though is the actual damage output. It can fire 3 rockets a turn, 4+ to hit 3+ to wound and then -1 rend with D3 damage, while each shot is not as powerful as a cannon/Plagueclaw, it does have the potential for 9 damage and can separate out its shooting to cause -1 Bravery on multiple units. Its much cheaper and survivable than the more powerful artillery options but is lacking in overall kill potential. A Daemonsmith is also a 100pt tax on the model if you want to fully utilise the buffs it has available, but as a single Daemonsmith can man multiple machines this cost is somewhat nullified when fielded with multiple Chaos Dwarf artillery options, the Daemonsmith is also a wizard with a great spell, so you get something else out of him other than a buffing piece. Pros: cheap at 120pts, survivable, doesn't have separate crew, long range, no line of sight required, useful in a Bravery bomb list Cons: lacking in damage compared to other artillery options, requires a Daemonsmith for full value Magma Cannon: 140pts / unit size: 1 / wounds per model: 6 The Magma Cannon is also rocking a 4+ save and 3+ against shooting with 6 wounds (no crew) putting it in the good artillery category! Its reasonably priced at 140 as well and can be buffed by a Daemonsmith similar to the Deathshrieker above. The Daemonsmith increases the shooting attack range to 24" from 18" which is a very good range for mortal wound shooting. The Magma Cannons shooting attack is not effected by hitting modifiers so you can't buff it, but more importantly it cannot be de-buffed. On a 1-2 it does nothing, on a 3-6 thats how many mortal wounds it does. Against units with 10 or more models you roll 2 dice and pick the highest. Its slightly cheaper than the Warp Lightning Cannon and offers a 1 better saving throw, on its own its shorter ranged but works out a really good alternative to a pair of Warp Lightning Cannons if you are trying to keep the long range mortal wound threat and gives you an additional wizard! 2 Warp Lightning Cannons will Set you back 360pts, where as 2 Magma Cannons and a Daemonsmith will be 380pts. So for an extra 20 points you get a wizard and a great spell! Obviously the Daemonsmith can be sniped off leaving the Magma Cannons with an 18" range. Pros: High damage potential damage, mortal wounds, high threat range when buffed, well pointed, no crew, survivable Cons: Requires a Daemonsmith for full potential, has a 1in3 chance of doing nothing with its shooting attack Dreadquake Mortar: 200pts / unit size: 1 / wounds per model: 8 The Dreadquake Mortar is very similar to the Plagueclaw Catapult for its damage output but can be boosted to have the highest damage potential of any artillery currently in Age of Sigmar allowing it do a maximum of 24 damage in a single shooting phase. While this is quite unlikely to do the full whack it can still yield some big damage. It doesn't require line of sight, packs a 40" range, hits and wounds on 3+ and has rend -2 damage D6. It does 2D6 damage to units that have 10 or more models and stops the target unit from making a run move if any of its models were slain by the Dreadquake Bomb. The part where it gets its even higher damage output is when accompanied by a Daemonsmith who can slap the crew about causing them to on a roll of a 1 attack the Dreadquake for D3 mortal wounds and cannot fire this turn, on a 2-3 it fires normally (1 shot) and on a 4-6 it can fire twice in that shooting phase. So you can either bombard separate targets to stop them running, or put both shots into a large unit of say 40 guys and cause that sweet 24 damage rolling 4 6's! Its only 20pts more than a Plagueclaw which is its closest competitor for long range unit destruction, but really does need a Daemonsmith to get its full potential. A pair of these and a Daemonsmith comes in at 500pts, which may seem expensive but the ranged threat they offer is quite stupid in terms of damage output! Using something like Kairos to also change the result to guarantee 2 shots from a single Dreadquake in a turn is still a nice option as well. For 300pts with a Daemonsmith its probably a better purchase than a Hellcannon at the same cost due to the fact you cant pick the crew off! Pros: Incredible damage potential, survivable 8 wounds and 4+/3+ against shooting, very long range, reasonably priced compared to Plagueclaws Cons: Requires some points investment to get the full damage output, comes with some risky ogre slapping rolls Up next: Thanquol, Great Unclean One, other notable characters with shooting attacks
  24. (I’m going to preface this with “This looks like an oversight?”) Verminlords do not have the SKAVEN keyword. The 'Allegiance Abilities' call out "SKAVEN" as part of the Allegiance Abilities. Are Verminlord Corruptor (PESTILENS keyword) which are unable to meet both the SKAVEN and PESTILENS keywords able to take Allegiance Abilities : SKAVEN PESTILLENS"? (Battletraits/Command Traits/Artefacts) The 'Allegiance Abilities: SKAVEN SKRYRE' (p.146 GHB) and 'Allegiance Abilities: SKAVEN PESTILENS' (p.144 GHB) are both indicated as KEYWORD BOLD in their Allegiance.
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