Noserenda

I dunno, Storm of Chaos was a great set up but it was badly handled by GW once it started, incidents like the Brass keep (and others) which they just blew up when the Chaos forces couldnt capture it and the ending got a reeeeeeally mixed reception which i guess is why they walked it back? So yeah, i think it was positive overall but on GWs front line at the time we copped a lot of moaning

This is simply untrue, you are wrong about Empire and you are wildly misleading about 40k. The imperium isnt popular, Space marines are, and it's not even vaguely close, they've previously made up half gws sales in total, let alone 40k and are at best debateably human aesthetic wise. Meanwhile, from extensive sales experience I can tell you first hand the human Warhammer armies were never top sellers, certainly in the 00's, Empire was kinda mid table and Bret's were bottom, in fact I'd be surprised if my shop ever sold any. But don't take my word for it, Alan Merret confirmed as much in his Jordan Sorcery interview, and he's one of the best people to know. (Though I was surprised he put elves ahead of vampires) Yes, low effort. Compared to any other game release gw makes nearly all of the work is already done.The miniatures are already concepted, designed, produced and in most cases previously released. Compared to a truly new game or a range refresh they have shaved years of work off, it's an absolute bargain for the company as nearly all the work that does need doing is writers, who are on average pretty cheap. (Which kinda sucks but hey). low effort is actually a good thing here though, because Warhammer was never going to come back as a complete revamp or anywhere near as fast as some people are naively assuming...BUT IT IS COMING BACK and that's pretty good overall, it's just going to be patchy for a few years, just like every other release from Specialist games has been. Well. Except Titanicus, the best game SGS makes

I'd be surprised by too many human armies, they long ago discovered humans don't sell anywhere near as well as everyone else, so I'd expect a similar low effort drop feed for their releases in a couple of years starting with a Merc/ally focused list again. I don't think OW is going to fail, but I do despair that resources are wasted on departmental rivalries instead of getting us as many great, Non redundant models as possible, paying over the odds for classic but dated minis is what MTO is great for rather than using up SKUs and resources long term for dust storage. And then my worry is too many static kit sales means less for future armies. I guess we will see. (Also, selling out is a frakkin worthless metric guys, they might have only made 3 copies Im sure it's popular but shouting "it sold out!" Like it means anything is silly, especially when GW is struggling to make anything right now)

Yeah they are going to delay the legacy pdfs as long as they can aren't they The orcs and gobbos looking good, some absolutely deranged choices in there but bigger is better No new plastics is a worrying precedent though, we need some plastic slayers!

Warhammer forge was such a range of bangers, it f I'd k no own for just how short be a time I'd be ha be e bought half the monstrous arcana!

Dwarves and Darkelves too on the UK store, can't draw much from it with all the production shortages though

I don't think we need a character for every realm, for every faction, because let's be honest, adding that many means half of them will be phoned in and forgotten. Whst would be awesome is every battletome spending half a page or more (plus art!) On each realm letting us know how that faction exists there, you can be a bit flexible, as some factions aren't in every realm but might have an eight points entry or something instead. Ill bet that would generate ideas and discussions for not just us, but the writers too!

If only there was some reason they never got released originally eh?

I reckon it might be a high elf star dragon? The stamps from last year had elves fighting dwarves I think? And dwarves feel imminent

Halberds and spears work about the same, there is no extra benefit to hand wep and shield though. All the melee state troops are one statline, but one unit per 1000 points can be made veteran which gives ws4 and some extra options for USRs and magic items, so you could use that for your swordsmen

Id just use multiple trays around the bell, thats what my old 8th ed opponent did with his legendary 100+ clanrat unit with bell

Interestingly i was looking at the GW website to try and choose between a general or wizard lord on big griffon (advice welcome) and all the Dwarves and Dark Elves are currently sold out for soooome reason lol

Double post!

Based on previous editions vaguely... Dwarf Lord Battle standard bearer hero Runesmith Slayers or Engineers to taste A block of Dwarf warriors, aim for 20? You can always add more later. I suspect great weapons might be the best choice in this I dominated melee? Thunderers or Quarrellers as you prefer A couple of blocks of the various more elite warriors IE slayers, hammerers, iron breakers. They are all pretty fun, go for the ones you like the most. A fistful of field guns, again, lots of variety and theyve all changed in the new rules anyway, grab the ones you like the look of One of the Gyrocopters so you can see a bit of mobility. Hope that helps, its a whole new edition rife with changes so its hard to be specific in any useful way..

For those folk who bought the starter boxes, Mikey from Hellstorm wargaming has made some 40k style datasheets for easy reference: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/19c_Du_Qtsvw0LTICx0L0F08bXEh7QBxM And a video talking about them and stuff: I know id find them super handy if i was playing those armies!