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  1. Gotrek

    Age of Sigmar: Second Edition

    And. Yet. They. Did. Not. Win. GTs. They. Were. Not. Disproportionately. Represented. As for 6 units not being enough to babysit 4 sites and objectives: 1) i agree. That wasn't the the question. The question was how many units do i expect people to bring. 2) you dont need to babysit all 4. You need to babysit ONE. Well, really babysit 1 model. Death's general. The summon is a command ability that ONLY THE GENERAL can use (says so in the command ability itself), so unless you get caught on a bad double turn, or you cant disengage your fast movers to shadow the general you can just move to whatever gravesite is closest to the general and shut it down. Since legions cant move in the hero phase we have to position the general the turn before we summon to make use of it. Seriously, once you get it on the table you'll see its not that much of a game changer for death. There are limits, from the types of units that can be summoned, to zoning out, to killing the general (and no, look out sir does not make our footsloggers immune to sniping even with the artifacts. I listed a bunch of methods to snipe in a previous post)
  2. Gotrek

    Age of Sigmar: Second Edition

    Depends on how you define terrible. Empty sure, terrible though? Eh. Its not that i sit here and think to myself "oh man " X" is gonna suck so bad it wont even be worth playing. My time would be better spent watching my veins spurt blood". Im cautious. Mostly. Last time i got excited was when (i think it was at nova last year) and someone asked about a deathrattle battletome and GWs response was "not this side of christmas". That got me pumped for a deathrattle book aaaand what i got was legions of nagash. Not a bad book by any means, but without any new kits (and no the bloodseeker palanquin isnt a new kit. Its just a kit bash) it felt like GW was just doing the bare minimum to shut death players up. Now for 2nd ed im, again, cautious. I like what i see (mostly), but i want more information, i need to see it in its full context. I dont think it'll suck, i dont think its going to kill the game, but I'm not confident that it'll fix whats wrong with my armies (which basically is non monster character sniping and for death specifically more deathrattle options. I just dont feel the ghosts.)
  3. Gotrek

    AoS 2e previews

    Legions was written specifically for 2nd edition so i dont see many changes coming in for it. Tzeentch summoning and seraphon summoning are still up in the air for how they'll change (and they will change)
  4. Gotrek

    Age of Sigmar: Second Edition

    Skeletons without heroes nearby are THE definiton of bad. No regen, no deathless minion, and with spears they are on 5s to hit. In an unsupported fight without running the numbers I'd give the skeletons at best 50/50 odds, coming down to who activates first. As for sniping: until we see the warscroll rewrites there are still several ways to snipe a foot slogger: BCR snowball, stormcast dracoth breath/hammer cloak/relictor prayer/ trumpet blast, ironweld arsonal gyrobombers (you can fit 5 into your ally points), flamespyre phoenix's wake of flame, nurgle trees, magic (arcane bolt got nerfed but theres still fireball, chain lightning, final transmutation, burning gaze, comet of casandora, Kroak-nado and all the filth from tzeentch), prayers (blood boil specifically), as well as shooting outside of the shooting phase (skull cannon battalion comes to mind specifically) since the artifacts only protect you in the shooting phase (specifically states attacks that target the bearer in the shooting phase ). We're gamers guys. Yes part of that is to complain about change, but where the real fun is at is turning something terrible into a force to be reckoned with and finding ways to make the invincible into our ****** (like a white dragon whos butchering your party while inside an anti magic field so you step outside of the field and roll out a 55 gallon drum of alchemist fire from your portable hole, cast shrink item on it and throw it at the dragon).
  5. Gotrek

    AoS 2e previews

    No, pretty sure that will just be straight up free since its a chance on enemy death
  6. Gotrek

    Age of Sigmar: Second Edition

    40 skeletons are good, against low armor troops. They are comparable to bloodletters (comes down to who swings first, given equal points for buff bots). And yes, bloodletters can come back too with the bloodtithe or you can spend it to let the bloodletters pile in and attack out of sequence. Of course, you could always just throw a celestant on dracoth with staunch defender and thundershield into the skeletons and giggle as he just tanks them for the entire game. As for how many units i expect to see in a game? Minimum 6, even beastclaw can pull that off. You can afford to throw some ranged units on a gravesite. Wont keep them from doing their job of shooting and itll make sure death cant use it to summon. Or, hell do what people have done for literally decades, kill the general and dont worry about it. Edit: i keep seeing people saying that free summoning has always been busted and yet i cant recall a time when death dominated the top tables at tournaments in 8th ed fantasy. +++ Mod Edit +++ Reviewing last few posts and I've removed a comment from here as it was not appropriate for this forum
  7. Gotrek

    Age of Sigmar: Second Edition

    Youre almost never going to get that many attacks off. Did you see what they had to do to get that? 1) successfully cast van hels. Easy to cast and easy to dispel with the new unbind range. Also only works for your combat phase 2) stack 2 command abilities ( blood feast and lord of bones) so that's 2 command points so its not something you can do every turn. 3) take a specific artifact which means your hero will only have the -1 to get shot from look out sir 4) assume every skeleton in the unit will get to swing both in normal activation and in the van hels activation. --------------- Now, skeletons have from day 1 been able to get 4 attacks a model with the double combat activation, so its not like whats happening in a new or unknown quality. We can argue cinematics till we die of old age (I'd love to hear how an arrow or bullet can hurt something with no organs and how an skeleton is as easy to kill as a living grot) but at the end of the day gameplay needs to trump cinematics.
  8. Gotrek

    Age of Sigmar: Second Edition

    In life, pessimism is always better because when people and the world live down to your expectations it isnt as disappointing. However, i do think burf is taking it to an extreme
  9. Gotrek

    Age of Sigmar: Second Edition

    Death generals are nearly impossible to kill now? Whatever is in your pipe pass it this way. If you are running Sacrament, maybe. It does have an artifact that gives -2 to hit if you're more than 8" out which when coupled with look out sir would effectively make them immune to shooting (except of course to your snowballs). However, the best the other Legions can do is -2. And remember, every death hero thats not on a monster only has 5 wounds. Not hard to magic/pray to death. Furthermore, even with BCR you can body block deaths ability to summon since they can only do it from gravesites. Stick a sabertusk or some allied grots on top of the grave marker and shut down deaths ability to reinforce. Remember, not only does the summoned unit have to be *wholly* within 9" of the marker but it also has to be more than 9" from you. So, literally a single kitty will shut down a gravesite and theres only 4 of them on the board, even for BCR you shouldnt have much trouble with zoning them out or sniping the general.
  10. I don't think a livestreamed warhammer game will get much traction. There's too much downtime as people deliberate what to do. Now I could see the game being appealing to outsiders if the recordings were sped up or edited out downtime and tabletalk while the commentator kept the viewers up to speed. It was my biggest problem with WHTV live games, Rob did his best to fill in the blank space but there's only so much you can do about it without editing or speeding it up
  11. Gotrek

    Age of Sigmar: Second Edition

    Nagash still isnt worth 800 points. Mainly because those 800 points are better spent on getting a vampire on zombie dragon, 2 necros and a vampire on foot. Less spells and no bonus to cast/unbind sure but you regenerate so much better and regeneration is the real engine of the army
  12. Gotrek

    Age of Sigmar: Second Edition

    For death the balancing factor is that: 1) its a command ability usable only by the general 2) you have to be within 9" of a gravesite 3) unit has to be summonable (so no hard hitters, just volume of attacks) 4) i may be wrong on this but if i remember right the unit that got resurrected still has to be wholly within 9" of the site and 9" from the enemy so zoning will be relatively easy (you know, with a whole 4 places on the board we can do this from)
  13. Gotrek

    Age of Sigmar: Second Edition

    And what we know isn't a hell of a lot, which is why I'm not getting worked up over it.
  14. Gotrek

    Age of Sigmar: Second Edition

    It depends on how good the incentive is. Now, objectively you are correct. However, we are dealing with emotions and they don't care about objectivity. If someone *feels* that they need a battalion to be competitive the not taking a battalion is putting yourself at a disadvantage, which in terms of gaming, is a punishment.
  15. Gotrek

    Age of Sigmar: Second Edition

    Core of the problem is this: when you are incentivized to play a certain way, its the same as being punished for playing any other way and when you have armies that lack the ability (as in they physically cant) to take the incentives (in this case armies without battalions) it leaves a sour taste in the mouth. Its like when ghb2017 dropped and the battalions got nerfed, people complained that battalions were the only way X army could be competitive and again when the scenarios incentivized hordes and low model count armies complained about how they either couldn't play the scenario without breaking allegiance or paying an "ally tax". Personal note: the only thing that will affect my list building are points so bonus command points dont bother me especially if they are one offs as implied.
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