Kurrilino
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I have literally no idea what you are talking about, neither did i ever play 40K or desire to have a broken book. I am jusy tired of always being on the wrong end of the leverage just by being a chaos player. At game night at the club, we have literal verbal fights who gets the right to play against chaos. The release of the StD is still a mood point thinking back. Super great book in Bonereapers, absolute stinker StD, fantastic book for Lumineth. I really don't care bout tournaments anymore, i just don't want to be in that group, people fight over to baby seal club. And no, i am not the worst player, i won tournaments in 7th edition with WoC and am able to judge if a book is a lost cause. The direction we are going, reminds me very strongly of High Elfes in the old world
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And this is helping with the gaming experience how?
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Actually a well balanced book makes an "S-Tier" army. We run into the same problems like before, just combined it with being slow. Our magic phase, while thematic, is difficult to cast and the few spells we have can be easily disabled by many other armies. Our almost non existing shooting got way worse and we can't look anymore for help from somewhere else. Because being extremely slow also takes away the option to pick fights to our advantage. This is not a rant or complaining, this is reality I absolutely think we will not be tabled but the games will be a very slow grinding loss. Not to mention what Slaneesh will do to us because of our contagious rule. This is auto loss from the beginning. A way better use of contagion points lore and rule wise would be to weaken the opponents infected, like -to wound and -to cast in an aura... anything but those ultra low magic wounds here and there. If the opponent is road blocking me with 5 cheap point models, the damage is already done. And this is when a whole community looks at the "strong books" because ours is not rewarding skilled play, it creates frustrating game experiences until people are fed up, doesn't matter how deep and cool the lore and internal balance is. People are sick and tired of being the "most welcome|" person at the table while the other guys having tremendous fun mopping the floor with us.
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This is the main issue with StD They can raise and lower point costs as much as hey want. The real issue is the rule writing. There is absolutely no reason to play the army as intended. If you want to be not just killed in round 2 you end up with those weird units that doesn't even fit into the StD theme in any meaning. Beside that you have only a one trick pony at best. All this is not solvable by point changes. Even 10 Warriors for 20 points wouldn't make them usable in any way except cluttering the board
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I assume you just started playing Chaos 😁
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I am absolutely fine with that. For years we have been this low tier army dealing with this BS Make it 2+ 3++ if someone asks me
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And how do we explain that SCE get a new battletome every 3 month and 75 new models every 2 weeks? I have never seen someone writing your statement regarding to SCE
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I am one of them. Everyone knows already that some items, speels and battalions will be removed. Just by previous experiences, it will be those, that gives Maggotkin at least a little bit of reason to play them. They will try to reinvent the wheel by absolutely ignoring what actually makes the Maggotkin or why people are appealed to them. Something around removing 5+ ward and replace it with +1movement which goes completely against the lore Everybody's darling, the Witherstave will be gone almost guaranteed because i like it so much Sorry for sounding really negative but this is my past experience with GW
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I am not sure if this is a real thing or not. This deal doesn't exist anywhere else but GB. You can buy the starter boxes independently but not combined at all. I checked USA and Canada
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I agree, people already stay away from them because of their rule clutter. 20 attacking rules and weapons mixed with 8 defense rules and abilities all in one unit. Not to mention that they are not looking like the rest of the army.
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According to the lore they are
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Sorry, i have to disagree with all of that. What and who the Hordes of Chaos are is described right at the right at the beginning of the book in the 1st and 2nd section. 1st: Clad in hellish iron and wielding cruel rune-marked blades, the Slaves to Darkness spread war across the Mortal Realms. To look upon them is to witness the doom of civilisation made flesh; barbarous tribes march alongside chosen warriors swollen with the favour of the gods. 2nd: Yet even these are not the most dreaded warriors of the ruinous hosts. That dark honour belongs to the Champions of Chaos. Brutish chieftains, fallen knights and cunning sorcerers vie to earn the favour of the gods, their lives dedicated to battle and carnage in pursuit of divine favour. It also goes on how everyone tries to raise up the ranks bu pure brutality and combat skills. Most of them end up as Spawns but only the best raise up. This doesn't sound like the paper pushers in the Eight Folds you are trying to sell here. The Lore of the Hordes never changed and rightfully, people want to play those god blessed heavy armored killing machines. What they got instead was cultist looking like deepsea divers, dancers at Moulin Roughe, Slitheren from Harry Potter and other unwanted stuff. This is the main problem we have here.
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You raise very good points. Imo there would be easy fixes to deal with it but the StD book writer seem to have no knowledge of what they are dealing with. There would be a totally different dynamic if Eye of the Gods would apply to regular units as well, where the unit champion ascends to an exalted Hero while all other heroes keep their additional buffs. Also ad +1 rend to the warriors and +2 rend to chosen and Knights Those two changes would change the feeling of the army drastically without any imbalance. People could now chose to play the regular shenanigans or switch to a more expensive elite army style that really does stuff in combat
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I apologize if my post came on as passive agressive, it was not intended as that at all. Was just wondering how a single person comes up with the exact opposite outcome as everyone else and you kindly explained it. Maybe something is really different in the UK, who knows. I guess everyone here is still terrified of having Archaeon in the list because of his general uselessness and pointcost before the patch 3.0 Would you be so kind to share some of the more successful list from the UK tournaments if available?
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The lore is basically the same. The mortals who prove them self through archievent in combat move up to be Chaos warriors -> Knights-> Chosen -> Exhalted Hero-> Lord etc. The only way to move up is the most violent and crushing combat victories. So having the Marauders being better fighters than Warriors is laughable, same as Knights having the same stats as Warriors just on horses.
